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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on May 03, 2012, 04:16:33 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002641043
Oh my.
The primitives finally got around to it.
Liberal_in_LA (23,510 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
Elizabeth Warren getting grief for listing herself as Native American before getting hired @ Harvard
Warren explains minority listing, talks of grandfather's "high cheekbones"
(CBS News) - Massachusetts Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren on Wednesday sought to explain her controversial decision to list herself as a Native American in a directory of law professors for nearly a decade before getting a job at Harvard Law School and said she is absolutely qualified for her job.
Republican Sen. Scott Brown's campaign last week accused Warren of "participating in Harvard's diversity sham" by allowing the school to list her as a minority.
"I listed myself directory in the hopes that might mean that I would be invited to a luncheon a group something with people who are like I am. Nothing like that every happened. That was absolutely not the use for it and so I stopped checking it off," Warren told reporters in Braintree, Massachusetts.
On Monday, he called for her to "come clean" on the issue.
According to a Boston-area genealogist's report, Warren is 1/32nd Cherokee.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57427355-503544/warren-explains-minority-listing-talks-of-grandfathers-high-cheekbones/
blm (88,051 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
1. Has Brown ever attended a St Patrick's Day parade where every one claims to have some Irish in them?
Is this all he's got?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
wendylaroux (254 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. 1/32 Cherokee
isn't enough to say u are part Native American??? I am 1/32 Cherokee,I'm not part Cherokee?
Well, franksolich is 1/8th of Judaic derivation, which is more than 1/32nd.
However, while franksolich of course is grateful to those particular ancestors, because of time and distance and dilution, franksolich doesn't consider himself "Jewish," or even "part Jewish," never having indulged in their culture and practices, never having been bar mitzvahed and stuff.
One really doubts Battle-Axe Warren, for example, ever wore a feathered headress or camped inside a teepee or hunted bison or nursed a papoose or made beef jerky.
yellerpup (8,937 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. Warren hails from Oklahoma, formerly Indian Territory.
Considering that the Chief of the Cherokee Nation, John Ross, was 1/8 in the early 1800s, a 32nd degree of blood quantum would give Warren the same quantum as Chief Ross' grandchildren had in the mid-1800s. You are absolutely Cherokee no matter what your blood quantum if you have Cherokee ancestors. Blood quantum rules were made up by the Federal Government as a way to avoid reparations (should reparations ever be awarded--which they won't). After the US government effected the genocide which wiped out many tribes whose names we will never hear again they knew it would not take long for the blood quantum of the survivors to dip below the Federally set rule of 1/4 blood for eligibility for reparations. The Cherokee Tribe claims its mixed-blood children. Of course you are Tsalagi, wendylaroux, and so is Elizabeth Warren, and so am I. Osiyo!
ieoeja (7,088 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
19. Isn't 1/32 the automatic limit to "rejoin" the tribe?
My mother was 1/32 Cherokee, but was not a tribal citizen. It was our understanding that she could qualify for citizenship which would then make my siblings and I 1/2 Cherokee. If we assumed citzenship that would again reset the counter.
Since my mother did not, I believe that I no longer qualify. Though I still tan red instead of brown, can't grow chest hair, and my facial hair is sparse.
But I could be wrong.
I say "automatic" in the subject line because the Cherokee have been known to accept immigrants. The Jewish Greek actor who portrayed the "crying Indian" in that famous '70s environmental commercial is probably the most famous adoptee.
On edit: I found some rules. One is that an ancestor had to be on the Dawes Roll which was only open to those Cherokees relocated to Oklahoma. I am pretty certain that my Cherokee ancestors were never on the reservation.
catbyte (1,438 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
4. It's insulting that we're really the only racial group that has to prove our ethnicity. I understand special status w/government and all that, but unless you have paperwork going back at least 3 generations they assume you're lying. Luckily I had the paperwork to prove I was 3/4 Ojibwa with a dash or 2 of Lakota thrown in, but not all people are as lucky.
Kaleva (7,054 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
17. The local tribes enforce this as well.
Over 10 years ago, there was a real big fight at a nearby reservation when the Tribal Council tried to purge over a 100 members of tribe off its rolls by increasing the requirement of ethnicity to 1/4 and other things.
virgogal (6,691 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
5. Self identifying as a minority for 11 years is a bit disturbing,especially when benefits can be attained by that claim.
Uh huh.
Scuba (16,449 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
10. Huh? Claiming benefits to which you are entitled is "disturbing"?
yellerpup (8,937 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
12. To receive benefits as a Cherokee you must live within the Cherokee Nation which is made up of 13 counties within the state of Oklahoma. The Cherokees don't write checks to their tribal members, but instead provide education, healthcare, job training, low cost loans, housing, and many opportunities for our people to make the most of their talents in life.
brentspeak (16,052 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
14. What benefits has Warren ever received?
The University of Texas had her listed as "white" during her tenure as a professor. Furthermore, Charles Fried, the professor who recruited her for Harvard, has said that not only did the issue of Warren's ancestry not play any role in her hiring, but that he wasn't even aware of her ancestry.
gratuitous (48,773 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
15. And if she hadn't checked the box
You can bet the nontroversy would have been that she is ashamed of her own heritage or some such nonsense. It's a classic "damned-if-you-do-and-****-you-anyway" sort of trap the Republicans constantly try to spring. If Brown thought his campaign for re-election was sailing smoothly ahead, he wouldn't be hyperventilating over this non-issue. His internal polling must be looking pretty shaky to try this three-rail bank shot of a smear job.
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Well, franksolich is 1/8th of Judaic derivation, which is more than 1/32nd.
32 > 8...stupid conservative! </du>
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ieoeja (7,088 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
19. Isn't 1/32 the automatic limit to "rejoin" the tribe?
My mother was 1/32 Cherokee, but was not a tribal citizen. It was our understanding that she could qualify for citizenship which would then make my siblings and I 1/2 Cherokee. If we assumed citzenship that would again reset the counter.
Since my mother did not, I believe that I no longer qualify. Though I still tan red instead of brown, can't grow chest hair, and my facial hair is sparse.
But I could be wrong.
I say "automatic" in the subject line because the Cherokee have been known to accept immigrants. The Jewish Greek actor who portrayed the "crying Indian" in that famous '70s environmental commercial is probably the most famous adoptee.
On edit: I found some rules. One is that an ancestor had to be on the Dawes Roll which was only open to those Cherokees relocated to Oklahoma. I am pretty certain that my Cherokee ancestors were never on the reservation.
Lord, the stooooopidity involved in their logic!
I'm 1/16th Arapaho, that makes my kids as much Indian as this DUmb BItch! Oh, and we don't claim citizenship! I'm not even sure if I can buy my cigs without payin' the Fed Tax!
****in' DUmbasses never cease to amaze!
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So, does she have enough indian blood to sell bootleg cigarettes and run a crooked roulette wheel?
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Quite the squaw-ble going on over there. :whistling:
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So, does she have enough indian blood to sell bootleg cigarettes and run a crooked roulette wheel?
heh! That's what ElRushbo wanted to know today!
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Gee, with the ethnic percentages that DU seems willing to abide by, I suspect all of us can claim minority status. YAY ! FREE MONEY FROM OBAMA'S STASH !!!111!!!!!!!!!!1
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Seems the DUmp is intent on bringing up the fact that she is a carpet-bagger (or is carpet is a bad word to use with Lizzy). I would score that as a negative. Now on the other hand if she has the Native American alcohol problem she would be a natural replacement for Dead Ted so give that a plus one. :fuelfire:
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yellerpup (8,937 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. Warren hails from Oklahoma, formerly Indian Territory.
Considering that the Chief of the Cherokee Nation, John Ross, was 1/8 in the early 1800s, a 32nd degree of blood quantum would give Warren the same quantum as Chief Ross' grandchildren had in the mid-1800s. You are absolutely Cherokee no matter what your blood quantum if you have Cherokee ancestors. Blood quantum rules were made up by the Federal Government as a way to avoid reparations (should reparations ever be awarded--which they won't). After the US government effected the genocide which wiped out many tribes whose names we will never hear again they knew it would not take long for the blood quantum of the survivors to dip below the Federally set rule of 1/4 blood for eligibility for reparations. The Cherokee Tribe claims its mixed-blood children. Of course you are Tsalagi, wendylaroux, and so is Elizabeth Warren, and so am I. Osiyo!
So what, my husband was born in Tulsa...he doesn't have a drop of Indian blood in him. What fools you people are.
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So what, my husband was born in Tulsa...he doesn't have a drop of Indian blood in him. What fools you people are.
As far as I know, I am 100% Cracka-Ass-Honkey. However, I believe the kids do have a smattering of Native American from the Missus' side.
But they all inherited her porcelain-white "bursts-into-flames-when-exposed-to-the-sun-vampire-skin" so, that's a non-starter.
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As far as I know, I am 100% Cracka-Ass-Honkey. However, I believe the kids do have a smattering of Native American from the Missus' side.
But they all inherited her porcelain-white "bursts-into-flames-when-exposed-to-the-sun-vampire-skin" so, that's a non-starter.
This is where I am at, I can "claim" Nez Perce, German and Scottish.
But the fact is that I am just another dumb ass cracker in this melting pot.
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Christ, I think I can claim more Native American ancestry than Fauxcahontas, but given the fact that there's been so much intermixing in families particularly out west for nearly 200 years, all I can say to that is, "You're part Indian? So what?"
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I'm just a plain Norski.
I demand special rights.
Everybody eat Lutefisk.
Coach gets two shares. :rotf:
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Didn't they claim a few years back that every human originated from Africa? If so then we all can claim to be an African American minority. :-)
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Didn't they claim a few years back that every human originated from Africa?
Yes. Then shortly thereafter everyone with half a brain left.
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Evidently she's trying for the feminist Ward Churchill: Fake Indians (http://michaelcostello.blogspot.com/2012/04/fake-indians.html)
Cindie
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DUmmie said, "Though I still tan red instead of brown, can't grow chest hair, and my facial hair is sparse."
Hell, that's me and as fas I know there ain't a drop of indian blood in me....but as soon as I turn 100% DUmmie, I'll atempt "The Indian" government freebie scam. :-)
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blm (88,051 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
1. Is this all he's got?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
If you would get out of the hive more, you would see that a lot of people are taking this seriously. There's a lot to not like about Warren to begin with, and this makes her look like an opportunistic fraud and a sham. People are getting sick of politicians like that.
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I seem to remember a certain other person running for a public office, that also makes the "native" claim.
Gee, I wonder who that could be?? :???:
www.electstevedawes.com :-)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v630/MrSnuggleBunny/land-o-fakes.jpg)
Who knew something this lightweight and greasy could spread so thick?
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Good one.
Awesome!
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Good one.
Awesome!
When yer right, yer right!! :rotf:
Sarge that is excellent.
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I'm from the Heckowie tribe. I really wanted to be from the X rated sister tribe though.