Thu May 3, 2012, 11:08 AMhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/1002640335
nadinbrzezinski (104,554 posts)
Spectrum of eating disorders and society (Warning a couple possibly graphic photos)
Yup, this is one
Bulimia. It affects a lot of people, and it is the least obvious externally of these eating disorders. Those who suffer it can reach the "ideal" of what society expects to be healthy weight and looks. It is not healthy and it is an eating disorder.
(Photos of skinny girls)
This is a photo of the perceived self image and the real image of a kid suffering anorexia nervosa. Yes, it is shocking and these kids end at times dying a fairly early death. But lord are they thin, well beyond our standard of beauty, except that many have argued Seventeen and others have used borderline anorexic kids as the ideal that other kids should achieve. Yes there is literature on this.
(Photo of a potbellied guy)
This is the other extreme. Obesity. It is an eating disorder... one that is hard to overcome since a lot of the issues, like the other two, are emotional and psychological.
Here is the difference, and why I am bothering to post this... and yes I was morbidly obese... so to a point this comes from personal experience. The kid who is bulimic LOOKS normal... unless you want to check the teeth... the kid who is anorexic, especially not that advanced as the picture, ok they are a little thin. But the obese are called fattie and a few other terms of endearment. They are also told regularly "if you had self control." Which is bullshit.
So let me tell you what a Fat person should do with those comments. "**** YOU and mind your own business". But at the same time we as a society need to acknowledge that part of our obesity epidemic comes from food policy. Yup, what we chose to subsidize and make WIC eligible has a bit to do with it. Don't believe me? Go down to the supermarket, I have, and check on what is eligible for WIC. What is eligible for Food stamps, same deal. What we subsidize, and food deserts.
People want to feel full. It's just natural... and yes there are foods and better foods.
But people one reason why obese people really get frustrated is because we as a society are judgmental of them in ways that truly we never use with either bulimic or anorexic individuals. And now we are starting to do things like discriminate for jobs. And I get it, this gentleman cannot in any way, shape or form be a firefighter. Take my word done the job. But there are many other jobs he can, and he will face job discrimination because of how he looks.
Here is another little factoid here. Fun fact. the gentleman in that photo will never in his life become thin and svelte and maintain it. He would do well to lose and maintain some... but it is rare the person who can go from real morbidly obese to what society thinks is beautiful. Some do...
But you see, those three disorders are truly fraught with psychological issues too... and are in the spectrum of eating disorders. So time to start talking of them the way we should and leave our puritanical bullshit to the side.
As to excuses... yup, I've heard them all from all three types of people. I used to have mine to. It wasn't a moment of epiphany... nope, it was more finding what I could do about it and what would work for me. And yes, a healthy dose of FU to the society at large. So I will never meet your true ideal of beauty... so what?
zappaman (4,584 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. "...be a firefighter. Take my word done the job."
So you were a firefighter AND a cop?
Cool!
"...the gentleman in that photo will never in his life become thin and svelte and maintain it. He would do well to lose and maintain some... but it is rare the person who can go from real morbidly obese to what society thinks is beautiful. Some do..."Here she tells us the guy will never become thin, but goes on to say some can, and do. Why dismiss this poor guy's possibility - it must be one of the gifts of a 'seer', the ability to predict things, read arcs and trends, connect the dots, etc.
The Crazy Bald Dwarf
zappaman (4,584 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. "...be a firefighter. Take my word done the job."
So you were a firefighter AND a cop?
Cool!
Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #21)Thu May 3, 2012, 01:30 PM
nadinbrzezinski (104,568 posts)
22. Yes, I am familiar with the chemical dysfunction
Which goes into why society should just stop being so damn puritanical.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Thu May 3, 2012, 02:04 PM
Brickbat (11,548 posts) Profile
27. This is so full of half-truths and inaccuracies that it borders on the irresponsible.
Response to Brickbat (Reply #27)
Thu May 3, 2012, 02:19 PM
zappaman (4,587 posts)
28. I agree
Suffice it to say, I am not shocked yup.
Nadin. Let me explain it to you.
Women get fat. Men get portly....and some of those men get starboardly.
zappaman (4,587 posts)
6. "...be a firefighter. Take my word done the job."
So you were a firefighter AND a cop?
Cool!
And an EMT. Not to mention, FAT AS HELL.And she fast ropes down from helicopters.
And she fast ropes down from helicopters.The ascension of said helichapopper promptly broke numerous time-to-climb records when she released the line. :-)
If I understand Nadin's post (which I don't think I do...), there is nothing between anorexic/bulimic and morbid obesity. You are either too sick to eat or you ate sick.I think you got her point.
If I understand Nadin's post (which I don't think I do...), there is nothing between anorexic/bulimic and morbid obesity. You are either too sick to eat or you ate sick.
If that's what she is saying its patently ridiculous. Most of the women on this board live somewhere in the generous middle area between those two extremes and many more are even perfectly average as far as weight and health. Gasp. Man nadin is a nut job. I just have such a hard time really delving into her posts. I admire your conviction EC. Lol
If I understand Nadin's post (which I don't think I do...), there is nothing between anorexic/bulimic and morbid obesity. You are either too sick to eat or you ate sick.
I have seen the Pix you guys post of Nadin and still have to wonder if this "woman" is a female.
Is it possible that these Pix are of a male in drag???? What ever happend to "her" husband, why is he seldom seen with "her" ?
She is the last one I would take diet advice from, or try to copy her hair and clothing fashion advice from. Quite a strange "woman" that has lived in a professional world and lived and performed well in all these professional jobs.
Dear Heavens, one must dress and look professional even if working at a Mickie D's making fries. The folks that pump out my septic tank wear professional uniforms and are presentable when they arrive.
Out in public doing a job has rules as to what one presents themselves as, to be taken seriously one has to give the air of a professional and competent at their job.
Only the very famous and wealthy can get away looking like the survived the wreck of the Hersprise, we call them eccentric, but if not wealthy we call them ------crazy wanna be, idiots.
I have seen the Pix you guys post of Nadin and still have to wonder if this "woman" is a female.
Is it possible that these Pix are of a male in drag???? What ever happend to "her" husband, why is he seldom seen with "her" ?
She is the last one I would take diet advice from, or try to copy her hair and clothing fashion advice from. Quite a strange "woman" that has lived in a professional world and lived and performed well in all these professional jobs.
Dear Heavens, one must dress and look professional even if working at a Mickie D's making fries. The folks that pump out my septic tank wear professional uniforms and are presentable when they arrive.
Out in public doing a job has rules as to what one presents themselves as, to be taken seriously one has to give the air of a professional and competent at their job.
Only the very famous and wealthy can get away looking like the survived the wreck of the Hersprise, we call them eccentric, but if not wealthy we call them ------crazy wanna be, idiots.
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Response to Brickbat (Reply #27)Thu May 3, 2012, 07:10 PM
nadinbrzezinski (104,592 posts)
35. You know, you should just put me on ignore
and I am going to put you on ignore. Mostly, this is a borderline personal attack. And mostly, no jury will see it. So you found your easy way to ignore. Have a great and wonderful, long live.
BYE.
Response to Neoma (Reply #29)Thu May 3, 2012, 07:13 PM
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39. Actually no... there are vey rare cases
where disorders, very much at the genetic level, and so rare that it is not even funny, where food intake has little to none to do with it. They are so rare though that most of the people who have them actually do not survive to adulthood. The exception to this not surviving to adulthood, and a tad more common, is Down Syndrome.
But I am sure you probably did not know that.
I do tend to agree with her assessment of some obese people though. For some, there are self-control/discipline issues and that affects other areas of their life so that to me is a seperate issue--not necessarily mental health related, but poor self-discipline in general--same reason people don't bathe regularly or pay their bills on time(barring financial reasons) etc.
Many of the others have emotional problems like anxiety and depression that they do self-medicate with food. Thing is those conditions can be self-medicated with exercise too. Both will release the needed hormone to bring balance.
I'm torn on this issue because I get irritated by the first that use the 2nd as an excuse, but i feel for the 2nd category that get demeaned and shit on and really need some help with the emotional issues to find more positive ways to deal with those things. I wish assholes would stop latching on to valid conditions to justify their own lack of self-discipline and laziness.
She also completely ignores that there are people who have difficulty GAINing weight due to metabolism. I fought for years to get to a so-called healthy weight, not because of any eating disorder, but because I simply had a very rapid metabolism. So, accoriding to her, I would be anorexic, period. Glad she's not an actual dr!
Wellbutrin doesn't cause weight gain. ;-)
Wasn't on it due to anti-depression, trust me, I like being an asshole, but it was "supposed" to help me stop smoking. Yeah, didn't happen, but I have no appetite an am horny as ****. :stirpot:
Wellbutrin doesn't cause weight gain. ;-)
Wasn't on it due to anti-depression, trust me, I like being an asshole, but it was "supposed" to help me stop smoking. Yeah, didn't happen, but I have no appetite an am horny as ****. :stirpot:
She also completely ignores that there are people who have difficulty GAINing weight due to metabolism. I fought for years to get to a so-called healthy weight, not because of any eating disorder, but because I simply had a very rapid metabolism. So, accoriding to her, I would be anorexic, period. Glad she's not an actual dr!
:cheersmate: :cheersmate:
Me also, as a kid I was often asked if my family fed me.
Most I weighed pregnant was about 105 - 110, one of my kids after water broke entering the hospital to deliver them, the receptionest when I told her I was having a baby asked " When 7 months from now" as I had to keep my knees together to prevent the baby from falling out .
I tried for years to gain weight, I even drank Slim Fast on breaks with cheese and crackers for extra calories. Finally I quit smoking and went on a high carbo diet, lots of butter, { close your eyes Frank } fat, deep oil fried, after 4 years of this I gained 5 pounds.
Now after 3 years of very limited exercise I have finally reached 120. Gees, and with age I am shrinking in height so at my time in life I now have the perkey boobs I wanted when young but am too old to wave them about.
Darn boobs are just fat deposits, but I missed out on the show your boobs at rallies, to do that today would clear a biker bar in seconds.
People are people, we are never satisfied with what we are, too fat, to thin, so we tattoo our body's, dye our hair purple, shave our heads, legs, pits and our privates.
It never hurts to work on body maintenance but to insist others do so at a cost to their health while not doing so to their own body's is down right weird.
Last thing we need is a short, fat, bald anyone criticizing our looks.-----A kin to a drag queen pointing out that a female professional model has big feet.