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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on May 03, 2012, 09:49:01 AM
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Now that I've recovered from falling out of my chair I can post this...
louis c (4,176 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
The Real Osama bin Laden Question
Last edited Tue May 1, 2012, 05:16 PM USA/ET - Edit history (3)
The key question in the debate between Mitt Romney and the Republicans vs. President Obama and the Democrats isn't whether or not a President, any President, would have given the order to proceed in the killing of Osama bin Laden.
The real question is whether or not the President, any President, would have given prior notice to the Pakistani government, and hence it's security forces.
George Bush and Dick Cheney were of the mind that the United States could not enter Pakistan without first notifying them. Many terror experts believed we could never capture or kill bin Laden if we notified Pakistan. Almost everyone knew bin Laden was in Pakistan and was being protected by some of the Pakistani military.
In a 2008 debate the question was posed to then candidate Obama that if he had actionable intelligence that Osama bin Laden was in Pakistan, would he unilaterally take action? Would he bomb a suspected location or take interventionist action to capture or kill the FBI's most wanted enemy of America without asking permission of the Pakistani Government? Candidate Obama said yes, unequivocally yes. If he knew that bin Laden was hiding in Pakistan, he would order the appropriate action to capture or kill him without notifying Pakistan.
Candidate McCain quickly criticized Candidate Obama as reckless and inexperienced. He ridiculed Obama for threatening to "bomb one of our allies".
Here's the real question to Mitt. Do you agree with McCain and Bush? Would you have notified Pakistan, or worse yet, would you have outsourced the bin Laden killing or capture to the Pakistani military?
That's the real question here.
kentuck (61,023 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. Good point.
I don't think Bush or Romney would have gone into Pakistan the same way that Obama did. The Bush government was paying Pakistan to help us capture Bin Laden. That worked out real well, didn't it? Romney? He doesn't inspire a lot of confidence with me.
msanthrope (10,908 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. An excellent post. Candidate Obama kept his promise. nt
white_wolf (4,181 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
9. This post will not make me popular but here goes...
I don't agree with Obama on this. Do we have the right to violate another nation's sovereignty and hunt down criminals in their borders without their permission? If the leader of the a major drug cartel was hiding in the U.S. and Mexico sent a special forces team into the U.S. to kill him without asking permission, I'm willing to be a lot of people would be angry.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002632405
IMO, it's perfectly fine to say "**** Pakistan." As far as I'm concerned Pakistan placed itself on "The List" long ago.
But all this sudden chest-thumping from the left is truly amazing; particularly claiming Bush was too nice of other countries' sovereignty. So in their desperation to have the Child king re-coronated Bush has morphed from reckless cowboy to dancing daisy.
It's stunning. It truly is.
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kentuck (61,023 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. Good point.
I don't think Bush or Romney would have gone into Pakistan the same way that Obama did. The Bush government was paying Pakistan to help us capture Bin Laden. That worked out real well, didn't it? Romney? He doesn't inspire a lot of confidence with me.
And Obama is continuing to give Pawkistawn tons of money even though they helped to hide bin Laden. ****ing idiot.
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Proving, yet again, with libs the narrative flexes to achieve the agenda.
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Face it -
If GW Bush entered a nation 'illegally'* to kill anyone, the words "frog", "march" & "Hague" would have been quite popular at the DUmp immediately thereafter.
The other notable change I have seen at DU and other liberal bastions is that suddenly it is important to have a candidate with lots of foreign policy experience.
Four years ago, not so much.
*illegal - how Bush's actions would have been viewed at DU even if he did all of the exact same things Obama did regarding OBL.
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Face it -
If GW Bush entered a nation 'illegally'* to kill anyone, the words "frog", "march" & "Hague" would have been quite popular at the DUmp immediately thereafter.
The other notable change I have seen at DU and other liberal bastions is that suddenly it is important to have a candidate with lots of foreign policy experience.
Four years ago, not so much.
*illegal - how Bush's actions would have been viewed at DU even if he did all of the exact same things Obama did regarding OBL.
Target center. The left would have been calling bloody murder and demanding that Bush be impeached and thrown in jail.
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Face it -
If GW Bush entered a nation 'illegally'* to kill anyone, the words "frog", "march" & "Hague" would have been quite popular at the DUmp immediately thereafter.
The other notable change I have seen at DU and other liberal bastions is that suddenly it is important to have a candidate with lots of foreign policy experience.
Four years ago, not so much.
*illegal - how Bush's actions would have been viewed at DU even if he did all of the exact same things Obama did regarding OBL.
Hell, they already were and he even asked Congress!
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Face it -
If GW Bush entered a nation 'illegally'* to kill anyone, the words "frog", "march" & "Hague" would have been quite popular at the DUmp immediately thereafter.
The other notable change I have seen at DU and other liberal bastions is that suddenly it is important to have a candidate with lots of foreign policy experience.
Four years ago, not so much.
*illegal - how Bush's actions would have been viewed at DU even if he did all of the exact same things Obama did regarding OBL.
Yep, it would have been a war crime if Chimpy gave the order, but since Barry was kind enough to leave the golf course, after playing only 9 holes, to make the call he is a hero. Not to mention he sacrificed the other 9 holes. :lmao:
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Yep, it would have been a war crime if Chimpy gave the order, but since Barry was kind enough to leave the golf course, after playing only 9 holes, to make the call he is a hero. Not to mention he sacrificed the other 9 holes. :lmao:
The 9 holes he missed are much better off.