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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: formerlurker on May 02, 2012, 05:29:24 AM
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Star Member nadinbrzezinski
75. Wrong but led seal team six that be a Navy Captain
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an O-6, that is where they start to trend R in the officer ranks.
There have been plenty of studies on this and I know it contradicts world views, but lower ranks in both officer and enlisted tend to be more Democratic, while higher ranks trend Republican.
Star Member nadinbrzezinski
76. Then I will question the fact that he led Seal Team 6
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that be a CAPTAIN, not a COMMANDER.
He might have served as Executive Officer of the unit though, or XO.
He might have led them in the FIELD as well as an operational officer, but led... that implies in command... that is an O-6 billet, not O-5
I know, I know way too much inside baseball.
That said, thank you for putting ass on line Commander...
nadinbrzezinski
86. Yeah but as I said way too much inside baseball
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led, to most civies without any knowledge of this, is the whole team.
That is my objection to this... "led Team Six" language.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002631098#post4
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Holy shit this woman is delusional.
And FWIW, if by "leans more Democrat" she means closer to 2-1 versus the overall 3-1 Republican, then she MIGHT have a point, but I rather doubt it.
I was a conservative the day I entered boot camp until the day I left.
Oh, and nads? The exact size of DEVGRU (aka SEAL Team 6) is classified. However, Dick Marcinko was their first CO, and at the time he was a LCDR and promoted to CDR while he was CO. There have been Captains and Rear Admirals in charge of DEVGRU. CO's can be virtually any officer LCDR or above, with ENS-LT known as OIC's (Officers in Charge.)
Now STFU.
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Funny, I went in the military as a dim and came out a conservative. Most of the people I knew were either conservative or just didn't give a damn about politics.
Funny how being a c*%k holster seems to give nads some special inside knowledge of the military. :rotf:
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Most of the people I knew were either conservative or just didn't give a damn about politics.
I can relate to what you typed. In my 28 year career I cannot recall being a part of or even hearing one political discussion. Not one single 'dim' ever jumped out from behind a watertight door to straighten out my thinking, no 'dim' ever accosted anyone in a chow line to convert them to 'dimism', none of that.
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What is she talking about; "inside baseball"? Must be a resume builder.
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Would someone put this idiot woman back on her medication. :mental:
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Would someone put this idiot woman back on her medication. :mental:
I'm beginning to think that the only "medication" that would have any type of appreciable effect would be delivered at about 800 fps, or higher velocities.
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I'm beginning to think that the only "medication" that would have any type of appreciable effect would be delivered at about 800 fps, or higher velocities.
Along with 3/4 of the knuckleheads on DUmmieland.
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An O-6 is gonna stomp around with a bunch of late-20, early 30 somethings?
Ri-i-i-i-ight!
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Add four star General to Nads resume. What a whack job.
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Add four star General to Nads resume. What a whack job.
Nope, FIVE Star General. Nada is the only person since WWII to have received that fifth one. It was in a super secret ceremony where an undisclosed submarine commander gave her that last star.... and some old milk.
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Nope, FIVE Star General. Nada is the only person since WWII to have received that fifth one. It was in a super secret ceremony where an undisclosed submarine commander gave her that last star.... and some old milk.
Nads is so brave all knowing that she makes Chesty Puller look like a boy scout.
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Funny, I went in the military as a dim and came out a conservative. Most of the people I knew were either conservative or just didn't give a damn about politics.
While I'd say I personally was more of a Libertarian than anything else when I first joined, that all pretty well tracks my own life experience in the dot-mil universe. There were always a few true Libs around, but very damn' few, and scarcer as rank/seniority went up.
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I saw something somewhere that said 65 - 75% of the military personal are Conservative. I don't if that is true or not though, as I couldn't find any data to back it up.
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While I'd say I personally was more of a Libertarian than anything else when I first joined, that all pretty well tracks my own life experience in the dot-mil universe. There were always a few true Libs around, but very damn' few, and scarcer as rank/seniority went up.
That was me as well, although I was more socially conservative than I am now. I've never deviated from staunch fiscal conservative. I'm the same asshole about that now as I was then. Then again, a lot of my values came from being raised by great conservative parents and I was never such a retard to think I knew more than my dad and I damn sure didn't jump at the first chance to trash them like you constantly see at the DUmp.
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I am an Independent/social conservative. So I fit in pretty well. :)
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nadinbrzezinski
86. Yeah but as I said way too much inside baseball
led, to most civies without any knowledge of this, is the whole team.
That is my objection to this... "led Team Six" language.
I love how the magnanimous nutcase concedes that her knowledge flies way over the heads of her hopelessly civilian audience.
Even though everything she says is invariably wrong.
She doesn't want them to feel bad about their ignorance, because she feels great about hers.
That's one of the nicest things about the crazy bald dwarf.
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She can get away with that shit over there where NO one knows a damn thing about the military. Posers don't normally last on conservative sites.
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Hey sabrina...if you're lurking...takes this little nugget back to General ands.
Obama's approval rating on his overall job performance as of a 2011 Military Time poll is at 25%
http://militarytimes.com/static/projects/pages/military-times-poll-2011
Outsidebeltway.com did a survey this year and found out that 32% of enlisted clarify themselves as Conservative....25% as Liberal and the rest as Moderate.
Oh and you gotta love this from your own archives at the DUmp:
Poll question: why does the military overwhelmingly vote republican?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2395119
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That was me as well, although I was more socially conservative than I am now. I've never deviated from staunch fiscal conservative. I'm the same asshole about that now as I was then. Then again, a lot of my values came from being raised by great conservative parents and I was never such a retard to think I knew more than my dad and I damn sure didn't jump at the first chance to trash them like you constantly see at the DUmp.
I called my Dad stupid once ... once.
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I saw something somewhere that said 65 - 75% of the military personal are Conservative. I don't if that is true or not though, as I couldn't find any data to back it up.
Considering how hard the DemonRats try and disenfranchise the military when it comes to voting, I'd say those numbers are close.
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Considering how hard the DemonRats try and disenfranchise the military when it comes to voting, I'd say those numbers are close.
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if was close either.
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An O-6 is gonna stomp around with a bunch of late-20, early 30 somethings?
Ri-i-i-i-ight!
I'm with you. An O-1 to O-4 will go out and lead troops . Anything above that is in the CP in the rear.
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I'm with you. An O-1 to O-4 will go out and lead troops . Anything above that is in the CP in the rear.
For a mission like that: I'd make a SWAG it was an O-3 or O-4 on the ground. Maybe an O-5 at the stick of the choppers.
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One of the reasons Desert One became such a cluster**** was because each service had an O6 on the ground. It led to establishing SOCOM to prevent further such tits-ups messes in the future. As overloaded as the choppers were, you'd think their O6 would be wise enough to stay behind and settle for ****ing with them over the commo link.
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For a mission like that: I'd make a SWAG it was an O-3 or O-4 on the ground. Maybe an O-5 at the stick of the choppers.
I thought warrant officers were usually piloting helicopters.
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I thought warrant officers were usually piloting helicopters.
When I was in that was true. Warrant officer pilots outnumbered commissioned 10 to one or thereabouts. Don't know if it's still that way.
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When I was in that was true. Warrant officer pilots outnumbered commissioned 10 to one or thereabouts. Don't know if it's still that way.
That's an Army thing. The helicopters were USMC CH-53s.
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For a mission like that: I'd make a SWAG it was an O-3 or O-4 on the ground. Maybe an O-5 at the stick of the choppers.
I actually met two of the pilots back in the early '80's, Lt Col Barney Oldfield and Maj James Schaefer. Maj Schaefer was the pilot of the helicopter that clipped the C-130 and started the fire. The right side of his face was just a mess of scar tissue from the burns that he received that night.
We were doing an exercise at 29 Palms, they got drunk one night and came to the A-frame that us enlisted guys were in and told us the story from their perspective. It was just a whole lot of bad circumstances occurring as they were refueling that caused the crash.
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I will say this:
On the boats, we might associate with the JO's a bit, but not much. Same with the Chiefs--a little but not much. Blueshirts ran with blueshirts, CPO's with CPO's, and O-gangers with other O-gangers.
RARELY the ENG would throw a party for the department if we did well on ORSE or at the end of a deployment. Even during the Submarine Ball, we all kinda stratified by rank.
When we got to the tender, it was even more strict. I was in Guam when the Holland showed up (I crossdecked from Proteus to Holland.) NONE of the khakis showed up to the divisional party, and we had that thing over two days.
And frankly, what nads knows about DEVGRU can be summarized in two words: jack shit. If she didn't live in SD, I doubt she's ever met a SEAL. Hell, I was on two boats, a tender, and recruiting duty, and the number I personally know by name I can count on my hands with fingers left over.
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There are warrant officers in every branch in the army, to my knowledge, even 18 CMF. What I tried to be, a 153A rotary wing aviator, is/was the only one that didn't require you to have a feeder MOS.
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Funny how being a c*%k holster seems to give nads some special inside knowledge of the military.
Of all the roles nutcase nadin has played, that's one that had never occurred to me.
But it's one of the best comments of all time!
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There are warrant officers in every branch in the army, to my knowledge, even 18 CMF. What I tried to be, a 153A rotary wing aviator, is/was the only one that didn't require you to have a feeder MOS.
Bit of a difference between Army and Navy/Marine WO's though. Not many WO's with less than 15 years of service in the Navy or Marines.
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Of all the roles nutcase nadin has played, that's one that had never occurred to me.
But it's one of the best comments of all time!
She reminds me of this woman.
Sent to the commanding officer at Point Mugu, CA.
Question:
What is the deal with the gate guards not surrendering salutes to officer’s vehicles? I don’t think an admiral’s wife or your wife would appreciate that either. We’ve worked hard to get here and should be recognized. They learned to recognize your vehicles. On every base I’ve been on they have a sign WE RENDER SALUTES PROUDLY. Here they work on trying not to salute the vehicle if the active duty member is not present.
Isn’t it by UCMJ code they are supposed to render a salute to an officer? The vehicle has a sticker so why do they not (salute) whether or not the active duty member is present or not? Fill me in!! DO THEY NOT TRAIN THESE PEOPLE ANY MORE?? If not, I see more and more laxness going on in this military.
A CWO wife.
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Wow. That’s quite a sense of entitlement you have. Are you sure a salute is sufficient? Perhaps a curtsy or a genuflect would be more appropriate? We could have one sentry prostrate himself before you while the other fetches some oats for that high horse you’re riding.
First, the irony of addressing what you perceive to be an issue of respect in such a disrespectful tone is not lost. Secondly, since you specifically brought her into the dialogue, my wife thinks your question indicates a regrettably narrow perspective. Third, yes, we have training which encompasses many things for which a post sentry is responsible and accountable, primarily focused on force protection, anti-terrorism, law enforcement, defense of critical assets and infrastructure, and the use of lethal force. But thanks for asking. Fourth, if you consider standing a post 65-70 hours a week as “laxness,†then I invite you to put on your winter coat and go stand on the asphalt in front of your house for four hours holding your vacuum cleaner when the temperature reaches 85 degrees. That will give you some very small sense of what it is like to man a post, without of course the lethal responsibility.
Salutes are a custom between military members dating back as far as Roman times when soldiers approached each other in a manner to indicate they were not armed. The custom evolved over many centuries in many militaries, but it has always been a custom exclusively between military members. It is also important to understand that the salute is a custom of mutual respect, not subservience. That is why both members salute. It is customary (and required under Navy regulations) for the junior to render (not “surrenderâ€) the salute first, but the senior member must return the salute promptly and in the same manner. This tangibly expresses the reciprocal respect among military members. NBVC sentries will render salutes to properly identified officers, active or retired, immediately upon identification. The salute was never intended as recognition of, or as a reward for, your “hard work to get here.†While I certainly value that hard work and your support of your husband’s military career, along with the sacrifice it entails, you ma’am are compensated in other ways for those achievements and accomplishments.
You rate many things other than a salute as a dedicated Navy wife, our gratitude, appreciation, and respect among them. I sincerely hope, expect, and require that you are always treated courteously and professionally on our bases. I would ask that you give the sentries their due as well rather than leaping to the most cynical of all conclusions when our execution is imperfect.
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Hate to be that CWO.
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062B was an Army driver several decades ago.
That was my MOS. The feeder at that time was a high school diploma.
Considerably more difficult to get into the program now.
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Thanks for that letter, Doc. I love the fact the CO himself basically pimp-smacked her for being such a pompus ass.
And note to military spouses--you do NOT rate salutes, and you're not getting one. Witches like you are why most of the boat wives HATED associating with other boat wives.
I can just see nads at one of these meetings or whoever had her on the phone tree: "Aw ****--why do I have to call this bitch?"
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Thanks for that letter, Doc. I love the fact the CO himself basically pimp-smacked her for being such a pompus ass.
And note to military spouses--you do NOT rate salutes, and you're not getting one. Witches like you are why most of the boat wives HATED associating with other boat wives.
I can just see nads at one of these meetings or whoever had her on the phone tree: "Aw ****--why do I have to call this bitch?"
Reminds me a bit of the responce that an AF CO sent to a whiner over "jet noise".
I know you remember that one. :rotf:
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Reminds me a bit of the responce that an AF CO sent to a whiner over "jet noise".
I know you remember that one. :rotf:
Sure do--the young man they were honoring went to the same high school I did (Farmington, NM) a number of years after I had.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/wakeup.asp