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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: FlippyDoo on April 25, 2012, 06:59:30 PM
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You are against a voter showing ID. Please explain why that is.
If you answer: because it disenfranchises the voter then please explain how requiring a person to prove he/she is who he/she claims to be disenfranchises someone instead of protects the rest of the voters.
If your answer to the above question is: because it forces a person to spend money they may not have on an ID then please how this would be disenfranchisement (or a poll tax) since most people already have an ID and most states that require an ID to vote will provide an ID at no cost to whoever may not already have one.
If your answer to the above question is: because it forces people who may not have a way to travel to go to a government office to get the free ID then please explain how people who do not have a way to travel will travel to the voting booth to start with.
If your answer to the above question is: because democrats care enough about people that they will provide shuttles to the polls for people without means of transportation on election day then please explain why democrats don't care enough about people to provide them transportation to get free IDs...or groceries...or everything else.
If your answer to the above question is that you do I need you to go pick me up a dozen 50lb bags of fertilizer on Friday. What time will you be here?
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I think the douchenozzles should just come out and say it: The reason they don't want to make people show ID's to vote is because they are for voter fraud.
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I've made this point before, as have many of us, but it bears repeating. The left claims that voter ID is racist.
Today railroads and hotels, along with almost all providers of public accommodations in almost all circumstances, are prohibited from discriminating on the basis of race. So what happens when you ride on Amtrak, the government-subsidized railroad? You hear an announcement over the PA system advising you to be prepared to show your identification if the conductor asks to see it.
Likewise, these days there is a good chance you will be asked for identification when you check into a hotel. You need ID to board an airplane or to drive a car. Recently I visited a doctor whose office is in a hospital. Just to enter the premises, I needed to present ID to a security guard.
If black people have trouble producing identification, how come nobody ever claims that these requirements are discriminatory?
Another important aspect of civil rights is equal employment opportunity. Under the 1986 immigration law, when you are hired for a job, you are required to provide your employer with documents proving both your identity and your citizenship or legal residency. How come nobody ever claims these requirements discriminate against blacks?
It is possible that the ID requirements for planes, trains, automobiles, hotels, hospitals and jobs have justifications so compelling as to justify discrimination. It is also possible that, by contrast, preventing election fraud is not a sufficiently compelling justification. The point here is that no one has ever had to make the former argument, because nobody claims ID requirements are discriminatory against blacks except when it comes to voting.
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CK_John
I think the voter-id laws will cut our turnout by 25% minimum. Not just those without id but by
causing massive delays at the polling stations and long lines causing many to leave.
Presumably this disenfranchisement is supposed to affect Dem voters more than GOP voters, else it wouldn't be a very good scheme for the GOP.
How much does the Democratic Party rely on the Retard Bloc to win elections if 25% of their constituency can't even prove their eligible to see a Rated R movie unaccompanied?
Still. it appears the hard lefties are losing the debate:
Turbineguy
1. I think the idea was
that by enacting these laws the repubs could cheat less.
pnwmom
14. That was never the idea. It's the Rethugs who were behind these laws
and their goal was to reduce Democratic participation.
Again: How stupid are you?
nobodyspecial
5. Where do you get this number?
What have been the results in states with the laws on the books? I don't support these laws but I am curious how you arrived at this number.
CK_John
7. Just my opinion since the laws have not get been used or are still in the proposal phase.
nobodyspecial
9. How could something affect turnout
if it's only in the proposal stage? Also, some states have had voter ID laws since 2003. Surely there is statistical data available.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002610854
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Another important aspect of civil rights is equal employment opportunity. Under the 1986 immigration law, when you are hired for a job, you are required to provide your employer with documents proving both your identity and your citizenship or legal residency. How come nobody ever claims these requirements discriminate against blacks?
Blacks don't apply for jobs? :whistling:
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Blacks don't apply for jobs? :whistling:
Don't you need ID for wellfare? :fuelfire: :-)
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I would hazard a guess that prior to the 2000 National election and the Floriduh voting challenges, the large majority of DUmmies never heard of the word "disenfranchised". The DUmmies like to throw their newly acquired word around anytime the subject of voter id is brought up. Since they are so concerned about disenfranchised voters, have they ever considered the other side of the voter id coin? If a person is able to place a vote fraudulently and are allowed to get away with this fraud because the polling worker is not allowed to verify their id and their fraudulent vote nullifies my legal, valid and carefully studied vote, wouldn't it be fair to say that I have been disenfranchised?
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CK_John
I think the voter-id laws will cut our turnout by 25% minimum. Not just those without id but by
causing massive delays at the polling stations and long lines causing many to leave.
Why would that favor the repukes?
Deadbeat democrats are the ones with nothing better to do all day.
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I've made this point before, as have many of us, but it bears repeating. The left claims that voter ID is racist.
Today railroads and hotels, along with almost all providers of public accommodations in almost all circumstances, are prohibited from discriminating on the basis of race. So what happens when you ride on Amtrak, the government-subsidized railroad? You hear an announcement over the PA system advising you to be prepared to show your identification if the conductor asks to see it.
Likewise, these days there is a good chance you will be asked for identification when you check into a hotel. You need ID to board an airplane or to drive a car. Recently I visited a doctor whose office is in a hospital. Just to enter the premises, I needed to present ID to a security guard.
If black people have trouble producing identification, how come nobody ever claims that these requirements are discriminatory?
Another important aspect of civil rights is equal employment opportunity. Under the 1986 immigration law, when you are hired for a job, you are required to provide your employer with documents proving both your identity and your citizenship or legal residency. How come nobody ever claims these requirements discriminate against blacks?
It is possible that the ID requirements for planes, trains, automobiles, hotels, hospitals and jobs have justifications so compelling as to justify discrimination. It is also possible that, by contrast, preventing election fraud is not a sufficiently compelling justification. The point here is that no one has ever had to make the former argument, because nobody claims ID requirements are discriminatory against blacks except when it comes to voting.
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Add to that that every doctor's office and hospital that I've been a patient in has required a photo ID for their records. I don't think that's something peculiar to Georgia. If it is only GA, then I guess blacks or poor folks never go to a hospital. Funny, I saw plenty of blacks at my last pre-op appointment and they were furnishing IDs without a fuss. The waiting area for Indigent Care was pretty full and those people were also showing IDs to the clerk behind the desk.
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I ordered my books for the summer semester yesterday and had to show both my student ID and Drivers license. Is that discrimination towards blacks? The douchenozzles that are against this are just repeating what MSNBC told them, and have no idea what they are talking about.
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The douchenozzles that are against this are just repeating what MSNBC told them, and have no idea what they are talking about.
Uh, sure they do.
The primitives instinctively know that this'll make it harder for the Democrats to indulge in election fraud.
Not impossible, but just harder.
The bitch of it is that generally such requirements are being imposed--if they haven't already been for a long time--in areas not especially known for elections stolen by Democrats.
Illinois needs this. Massachusetts needs this. California needs this. Wisconsin needs this.
Nothing makes a Democrat, liberal, or primitive quiver in fear more than an honest election.
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These are all very reasonable points, which is why the DUmbasses are losing the argument. You can howl all you want, DUmmies, but everybody knows that it's the democrats who perpetuate voter fraud. ACORN is imprinted on people's memory.
DUmmies, deep blue Connecticut requries ID, they elect demokrats in droves. What's going on?
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Uh, sure they do.
The primitives instinctively know that this'll make it harder for the Democrats to indulge in election fraud.
Not impossible, but just harder.
The bitch of it is that generally such requirements are being imposed--if they haven't already been for a long time--in areas not especially known for elections stolen by Democrats.
Illinois needs this. Massachusetts needs this. California needs this. Wisconsin needs this.
Nothing makes a Democrat, liberal, or primitive quiver in fear more than an honest election.
We all know that is the reason they are doing it, but most are just repeating the same remarks that MSNBC is making to try and sway it. I think some of them are too stupid to know any real defense towards it. And when you say something to them, they are like, well, this is what I heard it really was. Typical MSNBC viewers, they have no idea what they are talking about.
The states I think that need this more than the ones you mentioned are Texas, California and Arizona. That way they can bus people over from Mexico to vote democrat.