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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: Rebel on April 25, 2012, 09:05:56 AM
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A proposal from the Obama administration to prevent children from doing farm chores has drawn plenty of criticism from rural-district members of Congress. But now it’s attracting barbs from farm kids themselves.
The Department of Labor is poised to put the finishing touches on a rule that would apply child-labor laws to children working on family farms, prohibiting them from performing a list of jobs on their own families’ land.
Under the rules, children under 18 could no longer work “in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials.â€
“Prohibited places of employment,†a Department press release read, “would include country grain elevators, grain bins, silos, feed lots, stockyards, livestock exchanges and livestock auctions.â€
The new regulations, first proposed August 31 by Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, would also revoke the government’s approval of safety training and certification taught by independent groups like 4-H and FFA, replacing them instead with a 90-hour federal government training course.
Rossie Blinson, a 21-year-old college student from Buis Creek, N.C., told The Daily Caller that the federal government’s plan will do far more harm than good.
“The main concern I have is that it would prevent kids from doing 4-H and FFA projects if they’re not at their parents’ house,†said Blinson.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/25/rural-kids-parents-angry-about-labor-dept-rule-banning-farm-chores/#ixzz1t3qLHpBu
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This moron has to ****ing go. :censored:
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Like the people in rural areas will obey this stupid dictum.
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Just more stupid shit to drive up the costs of farming. My fathers last year of farming prior to his death the annual overhead to operate the farm was about 2.5 million. That was in 2004, I wonder what this new law will cost farmers.
I remember growing up on the farm if we kids complained about a chore my dad took a perverse please in reminding us Child labor laws don't apply to family ::)
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I learned to work hard at an early age ....on the farm. DUmbass Barry ain't never did a
days 1/2 hour of work in his life. He wants more lazy, worthless, sorry, good for nothing youngsters voting their lazy self best interest.
If Obama had a son....he wouldn't work for hell.
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I learned to work hard at an early age ....on the farm. DUmbass Barry ain't never did a days 1/2 hour of work in his life. He wants more lazy, worthless, sorry, good for nothing youngsters voting their lazy self best interest.
If Obama had a son....he wouldn't work for hell.
One of the first times I took my New wife to the family farm she saw my nephew running a riding lawn mower,he was about 7 or 8 at the time. She remarked "Isn't that dangerous letting him operate that piece of equipment". I laughed and pointed to one of the big four wheeler tractors parked along side one of the pole barns and said he Operates that one too. "welcome to farm life dear". :)
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Give me a ****in break. What a douchenozzle idea. :thatsright:
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The new regulations, first proposed August 31 by Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, would also revoke the government’s approval of safety training and certification taught by independent groups like 4-H and FFA, replacing them instead with a 90-hour federal government training course.
Naturally this course will be taught by overpaid civil service union members who never set foot outside of a city before, and the cost will be astronomical.
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They're forging ahead on this? They've been working on it for awhile, but I thought there was such a din about it that they abandoned the idea, embarrassed. Guess not. This is going to be a huge deal in a lot of this country. My area included.
A government training course. :bird: I adored 4H as a kid. WTF is going on here?
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Where's that picture of Reagan and Bush doing farm chores with Obama hanging curtains?
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They're forging ahead on this? They've been working on it for awhile, but I thought there was such a din about it that they abandoned the idea, embarrassed. Guess not. This is going to be a huge deal in a lot of this country. My area included.
A government training course. :bird: I adored 4H as a kid. WTF is going on here?
People should really stop blowing things like this off as just "more insanity from the left". The MAJORITY of the Democrat's platform can be found right here:
Communist Goals of 1963, entered into Congressional record (http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm)
In this case?
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
To paraphrase Allen West, Democrats are f'n Communists.
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This is going to go over really big here in the midwest, where there are still a lot of family farms. Farmers that haven't already made the swing to Republican (there aren't many left) are going to do it now.......
Between doubling the price of a combine with EPA dust emission standards and this......
Keep it up Barry, first you pissed off the Jews, then you did the same to the Catholics, now the farmers......you're down to blacks, homosexuals, welfare queens, and (some) union members.......at this rate you will be lucky to end up with 35% of the vote in November......
doc
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I want to see that little smug prick get his ass waxed at the polls in November. I want him beat so bad that he heads back to Chicago and spends the rest of his life in a state of dementia wondering why he's not as loved as the narcissistic ahole thinks he is.
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Like the people in rural areas will obey this stupid dictum.
And what about those that don't...it used to be thought impossible for a parent to be hauled off to jail for spanking a kid. How many kids died in car wrecks before the government decided that could be a crime by the parent? How long ago did we think it laughable that a parent could ever get in trouble for smoking in front of a kid, baptising a kid, homeschooling...
Rural kids that get hurt, what should the parents do? Hope they heal without medical help? Tell the kid to lie to the doctor? Or face the chance that they could go to prison for letting their child have a 4-H animal, run a tractor or perform any of 1000 chores that some citified government sissy would not approve?
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And what about those that don't...it used to be thought impossible for a parent to be hauled off to jail for spanking a kid. How many kids died in car wrecks before the government decided that could be a crime by the parent? How long ago did we think it laughable that a parent could ever get in trouble for smoking in front of a kid, baptising a kid, homeschooling...
Rural kids that get hurt, what should the parents do? Hope they heal without medical help? Tell the kid to lie to the doctor? Or face the chance that they could go to prison for letting their child have a 4-H animal, run a tractor or perform any of 1000 chores that some citified government sissy would not approve?
More jobs for illegal aliens...excuse me...undocumented workers.
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Naturally this course will be taught by overpaid civil service union members who never set foot outside of a city before, and the cost will be astronomical.
And include such relevant topics as "Alternative Lifestyle/GLBT Sensitivity Training", "Sexual Harassment Sensitivity Training", "Ethnic Diversity Sensitivity Training", 90 hours of OSHA regs (with pass/fail exam)...
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So millions of kids can't work on 4H or FFA projects, but the Obama kids can still feed and water Bo.
Nah, that's not hypocrisy.
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That is dumb...Having chores will not hurt a child. That is how kids become responsible and team playing adults. First life's lessons start in the home.
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That is dumb...Having chores will not hurt a child. That is how kids become responsible and team playing adults. First life's lessons start in the home.
Exactly, and the Obama regime does not want responsible citizens. They want obeisant serfs.
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Senators and congressmen have introduced bills to combat this lunacy. Here's a portion of a report from my local paper:
Farmers, legislators decry bill preventing teens from working on farms
By TED BOOKER
TIMES STAFF WRITER
MONDAY, APRIL 16, 2012
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Ronald F. Porter, co-owner of Porterdale Farms in Adams Center, plans to hire his 12-year-old son, Andrew W., to work on the family’s 5,000-acre dairy farm when he’s 14, teaching him basic skills in farming and machinery.
But that plan could be scrapped if a regulation proposed by the U.S. Department of Labor takes effect this summer. It would prohibit 14- and 15-year-olds from driving tractors and operating other equipment on farms — even basic tasks would be off-limits except in limited circumstances.
The rule — unless it is blocked by lawmakers — would radically change the way 36,000 farms across New York do business.
While the Department of Labor has pledged to include an exemption allowing parents to let their biological children work, the regulation would not allow teens to work for anyone else, even an aunt, uncle or grandparent. Moreover, the “hazardous occupation†provision would mean that no 14- or 15-year-old, even a child working on his parents’ farm, could operate machinery that meets the definition of hazardous.
Although the rule may be well-intentioned — aiming to prevent injuries among teenagers — Mr. Porter said, it fails to address the fact that most farmers ensure their children are adequately trained to use dangerous equipment. He said it’s important to expose teenagers to farm work at an early age when they’re still choosing a career path.
“If a young person can’t get exposed to what’s involved in farming, it’s going to become challenging for them to choose it as a profession,†he said. “I’m looking for Andrew to start work when he’s 13 or 14. I was driving a tractor when I was that age and milking cows when I was 16.â€
There’s already a scarcity of young people interested in careers in agriculture, Mr. Porter said. Not allowing them to work at a young age will make filling the older generation’s shoes even more challenging.
“Where is that going to leave the future of agriculture here?†he asked.
If the rule isn’t swiftly thwarted by lawmakers on Capitol Hill in the coming months, the effect on farmers across the state and in the north country could be “devastating,†said Rep. William L. Owens, D-Plattsburgh. Mr. Owens has co-sponsored a bill to prohibit the regulation from being approved.“You can imagine what the effect of this might be on farmers if it’s passed in the middle of the harvesting and production season,†he said, adding he started fighting the rule last year after hearing feedback from a 10-year-old boy at a Watertown City Council meeting who described how he wouldn’t be able to work on his family’s farm if the restriction passed.
Watertown Daily Times (http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20120416/NEWS03/704169941)
And the comments were up in arms.
That's my congresscritter. Stay tuned, and nadin what your congressperson might be doing as well.
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I'm in a group of ranch people fighting this. Here in Wyoming our one congresswoman is of course against it, so are our two senators. But, so what. We need the support of those in urban states. We're supporting our fellow ag people in those states and hoping our message makes sense to people very far removed from ag.
That's the problem. You all, here, are sensible. Too many others are not.
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I'm in a group of ranch people fighting this. Here in Wyoming our one congresswoman is of course against it, so are our two senators. But, so what. We need the support of those in urban states. We're supporting our fellow ag people in those states and hoping our message makes sense to people very far removed from ag.
That's the problem. You all, here, are sensible. Too many others are not.
I'm beginning to think this won't get by congress without them changing it. Even quite a few of the DUmmies can see that this plan is a bad idea. When the DUmmies can see it as bad for the same reasons we do, then we know it is really bad.
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I was driving bulldozers at age 8. I wasn't allowed to push up trees because they had no cabs back then but I pushed a lot of dirt and plowed a lot of ground. They were straight drive machines without hydraulic assist steering. By age 10 I was hired out like the other drivers.
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I was driving bulldozers at age 8. I wasn't allowed to push up trees because they had no cabs back then but I pushed a lot of dirt and plowed a lot of ground. They were straight drive machines without hydraulic assist steering. By age 10 I was hired out like the other drivers.
Which is why you didn't grow up as an entitlement-minded ***** liberal that wants the government to make all the important decisions and provide for you.
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And include such relevant topics as "Alternative Lifestyle/GLBT Sensitivity Training", "Sexual Harassment Sensitivity Training", "Ethnic Diversity Sensitivity Training", 90 hours of OSHA regs (with pass/fail exam)...
Not to mention such important things as "Cuddling cute anmials / Meat is MURDER !!!" , "Environmentally Correct land management" and "Organic Methodology".
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I learned to work hard at an early age ....on the farm. DUmbass Barry ain't never did a days 1/2 hour of work in his life. He wants more lazy, worthless, sorry, good for nothing youngsters voting their lazy self best interest.
If Obama had a son....he wouldn't work for hell.
Like father like son if he had one right?
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I was driving bulldozers at age 8. I wasn't allowed to push up trees because they had no cabs back then but I pushed a lot of dirt and plowed a lot of ground. They were straight drive machines without hydraulic assist steering. By age 10 I was hired out like the other drivers.
Everyone should be so fortunate.
I taught each of my daughters to drive my little JD310 loader/backhoe. That, and to pull something with an old Massey safely. All three have done stints either farming or light construction. Pays good. One is still in ranching. One does medical billing. The third is in med school. People frequently comment on their work ethics. I always picture them digging fence posts with me, or digging out a spring. Patching a roof. Or, some other activity that ignoramuses would make illegal.
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I was the first born in my family, so even though I'm a girl with 2 brothers, I was plowing with the tractor at 10, and driving to town for parts during harvest by the time I was 12. My mother also lost her mom the summer I was 10 and took my 6 year old brother with her for 2 weeks, leaving me and my other brother (8), in charge of 35 dogs, the milk cows, the farm and the house for 12 - 14 hours a day while Dad worked.
Needless to say, "irresponsible" and "lazy" are not terms any boss has ever applied to any of us.
If we'd grown up 40 years later, my folks would probably be in prison. And no doubt some of us would be next in line. :thatsright:
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Updated a bit ago. It's been withdrawn. Yay. For now.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/25/rural-kids-parents-angry-about-labor-dept-rule-banning-farm-chores/#ixzz1t3qLHpBu
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So, who is going to work on the farm now? Illegals??????? :mental: This is really stupid! Don't count on it being shelved. It will be back.
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Longview, those "people" you're referring to saying anything about their work ethic are here and on conservative sites. At DU, it's "**** my employer! He won't give me 4 10 minute breaks per hour!! Occupy those 1% bastards!!!" those idiots are children. We're raising a generation of these entitlement-minded assdouches. I'm just glad we still have men and women, like you, with balls.
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The DUmp had a thread on this. Some were reflexively for it, as zero can do no wrong, but someone else said
Response to Bennyboy (Original post)
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 02:45 PM
jtuck004 (3,377 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. This is perhaps the single most ignorant proposal I have heard in a long, long time.
What a great motivational tool to get people to vote Republican.
Because WE have a better idea. We don't let them work on the family farm, we send them to a school that insists they must go to college, where they get loaded down with loans only to find out at graduation that over half of them won't be able to get a job that pays anywhere near the return they might expect. On the other hand, now they are in debt for years to the bankers - we let this go on and then with a straght face tell people how important education is.
Phooey. One more in a string of lying, phony bastards making life harder while they talk out of the other side of their face.
Here's a funny one:
Response to Bennyboy (Original post)
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:08 PM
Voice for Peace (5,429 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
9. maybe they should have a child-labor, or child-apprentice licensing program
to ensure kids aren't working against their will or being
harmed in any way.
The child would have to be interviewed for the license
independent of parents, guardians. Kids should be allowed
to make more choices about their lives when they are
young.
:lmao:
Lots of kids would love to be able to work, and make money.
They should be allowed, it's good for them. It's much better
for them than most of what happens in school. So much learning
happens -- useful learning -- from working with real people
on real stuff.
But they must never be forced or harmed.
Get your ass out there and mow the lawn before I lose a boot in it, kid. Yeesh what a moonbat.
And then they noticed the link was to the Daily Caller, so they all swarmed around that for a long time, repeating each other, wasting time, (Tucker Carlson!!! :panic:) until someone posted the government document. That was ignored while people continued to go "See it's a lie, it's bullshit, it's a RW agitprop deal, thanks for debunking you guys are the greatest." Then
former9thward (3,632 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
86. Apparently the Labor Dept. is right wing too.
Since they have withdrawn the proposed rule today
:lmao:
DUmp Link (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002609987)