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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Revolution on April 20, 2012, 03:48:43 PM
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OK, we've already seen the footage of Zimmerman's skull. Now, the DUmmy Fun begins:
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About Zimmy's skull.
That pic is enough, that we should NOT act like Zimmy apologists and deny any evidence. The REAL question is, when a man carrying a gun, and telling the police you are a criminal chases you down, in opposition to instructions by police, then confronts you, interrogates you and refuses to explain why he is chasing you, when the hell are you justified in standing your ground?
And when said vigilante's gun flashes as he reaches towards it, ostensibly to use cellphone, are you justified in beating his fake cop ass?
There is no utility in kneejerk dismissing as conspiracy, a clear shot of Zimmy's slightly bloody head. It certainly does not corroborate Zimmy's dad's STORY about Zimmy being a second or two away from lifelong diapers. Thus, the STORY that T was covering Z's mouth AND nose with both hands. This ludicrous story should be skewered.
PLEASE dont do head in the sand, like the right wing vigilante gun nuts. We are better than that.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002587666
Big bonfire, and only gonna get bigger. Not gonna bring anything over. Just too long, but mucho humor, grande arguments, and mas hurt feelngs ensue.
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The libs, instead of admitting they are wrong, only turn away from pesky facts toward more conjecture that will still keep the integrity of their original beliefs.
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OK, we've already seen the footage of Zimmerman's skull. Now, the DUmmy Fun begins:
Big bonfire, and only gonna get bigger. Not gonna bring anything over. Just too long, but mucho humor, grande arguments, and mas hurt feelngs ensue.
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Thus, the STORY that T was covering Z's mouth AND nose with both hands. This ludicrous story should be skewered.
If Martin had Z on the ground with hand over his mouth, how did Z yell for help???? Z says it was his voice on the tape calling for help.
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vesta, WTF; over ?
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vesta, WTF; over ?
She doesn't know. I don't even thing that's really Vesta. Not enough words.
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That entire thread is just about a few DUmmies trying with patience I don't have to explain to the others that 1+1 does not necessarily = potato that is only their conjencture while the others insist that not only does 1+1=potato, they are absolutely sure that is what happened.
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vesta, WTF; over ?
Walk it through, Zimmerman says Martin had his hand over his nose and mouth.
On the 911 call made, in the background one can hear Someone yelling for help, then the sound of a gun shot.
Martins family says it was their son calling for help, Zimmerman says that was him calling for help.
Not easy to yell with a hand over ones mouth. OVER----
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The DU morons, among legions of other liberal morons I've argued with on other boards, hang their hat, the entire case, on one or more of three main points, all of which are utter bullshit:
1) Zimmerman was white. Martin was black. Ergo, Zimmerman is a racist, gun-loving, cop-wannabe murderer.
(The laziest and most kneejerk response)
2) The mere fact of Zimmerman following Martin constituted an "aggressive act". Therefore, anything that proceeded from that was Zimmerman's fault. (No one with their mental faculties intact at all considers merely following someone in a car from a distance in a densely-populated neighborhood an aggressive act, absent any other overt threat. Of course they call it "chasing", "pursuing", or "running after" for dramatic effect. This is a natural corollary to the "Bush killed millions" meme regarding Iraq, wherein every death in that country since day one of the invasion, no matter what the circumstances or who did the actual killing, must be laid at Bush's feet. But I digress.)
3) Complete conjecture and fabrications of what happened between the time Zimmerman exited his vehicle and the final interaction with Martin, even though exactly what happened cannot be known. This takes the form of any one of several different scenarios, all of them painting Zimmerman as the attacker of course, and all of them extracted messily from the gaping rectums of whoever happens to be offering the "evidence" in the discussion.
Oh, and lest I forget, Trayvon's Magical Skittlesâ„¢, which inexplicably have to be mentioned in every recounting of the event by liberals as if the sugary confection confers some mystic aura of pure innocence on the person consuming them.
There is no logic, no critical examination of the facts, no piece of evidence or lack thereof that will dissuade them from the mythology they've built around this case. The argument goes in circles, off on tangents, into appeals to emotion, and invariably lands in derision and ad hominems sprinkled liberally with "LOL"s.
Basically, it's like any other argument with a moonbat.
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Walk it through, Zimmerman says Martin had his hand over his nose and mouth.
On the 911 call made, in the background one can hear Someone yelling for help, then the sound of a gun shot.
Martins family says it was their son calling for help, Zimmerman says that was him calling for help.
Not easy to yell with a hand over ones mouth. OVER----
If he had his hand over his mouth it doesn't mean he didn't fight him and got Trayvon's hand off his mouth long enough to scream. I googled it and the first two references to this story are from DU. Others are from comments on other sites. Vesta, don't be so friggen guilable and quick to judge. You have a habit of doing this.
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The DU morons, among legions of other liberal morons I've argued with on other boards, hang their hat, the entire case, on one or more of three main points, all of which are utter bullshit:
1) Zimmerman was white. Martin was black. Ergo, Zimmerman is a racist, gun-loving, cop-wannabe murderer.
(The laziest and most kneejerk response)
2) The mere fact of Zimmerman following Martin constituted an "aggressive act". Therefore, anything that proceeded from that was Zimmerman's fault. (No one with their mental faculties intact at all considers merely following someone in a car from a distance in a densely-populated neighborhood an aggressive act, absent any other overt threat. Of course they call it "chasing", "pursuing", or "running after" for dramatic effect. This is a natural corollary to the "Bush killed millions" meme regarding Iraq, wherein every death in that country since day one of the invasion, no matter what the circumstances or who did the actual killing, must be laid at Bush's feet. But I digress.)
3) Complete conjecture and fabrications of what happened between the time Zimmerman exited his vehicle and the final interaction with Martin, even though exactly what happened cannot be known. This takes the form of any one of several different scenarios, all of them painting Zimmerman as the attacker of course, and all of them extracted messily from the gaping rectums of whoever happens to be offering the "evidence" in the discussion.
Oh, and lest I forget, Trayvon's Magical Skittlesâ„¢, which inexplicably have to be mentioned in every recounting of the event by liberals as if the sugary confection confers some mystic aura of pure innocence on the person consuming them.
There is no logic, no critical examination of the facts, no piece of evidence or lack thereof that will dissuade them from the mythology they've built around this case. The argument goes in circles, off on tangents, into appeals to emotion, and invariably lands in derision and ad hominems sprinkled liberally with "LOL"s.
Basically, it's like any other argument with a moonbat.
To the bolded above--Unicorns shit Skittles. That's why the moonbats love 'em so much.
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If he had his hand over his mouth it doesn't mean he didn't fight him and got Trayvon's hand off his mouth long enough to scream. I googled it and the first two references to this story are from DU. Others are from comments on other sites. Vesta, don't be so friggen guilable and quick to judge. You have a habit of doing this.
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There is now so much myth wrapped around this whole affair, the only way to make sense of it is with a trial. Until then I remain without any opinion involving guilt or innocence of either Martin or Zimmerman.
However, I do have opinions on the way this issue is being used as a cudgel to drive racial discontent, and to 'energize' voters. This is a local tragedy, not a national platform. And Obama stating "If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon" did just that.
The president turned a local tragedy into a talking point. Think about that for a minute.
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If he had his hand over his mouth it doesn't mean he didn't fight him and got Trayvon's hand off his mouth long enough to scream. I googled it and the first two references to this story are from DU. Others are from comments on other sites. Vesta, don't be so friggen guilable and quick to judge. You have a habit of doing this.
Thank you for explaining the obvious to vesta. It prevents me from having to tear my hair out trying to explain the obvious to someone who doesn't apprehend to obvious. It's amazing to me that so many are being sucked into the lib narrative on this story, not just vesta. A lot of them will be onboard regardless of any evidence to the contrary, but the weak minded, who can't evaluate what makes sense and what doesn't on their own. It's blinding.
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Walk it through, Zimmerman says Martin had his hand over his nose and mouth.
On the 911 call made, in the background one can hear Someone yelling for help, then the sound of a gun shot.
Martins family says it was their son calling for help, Zimmerman says that was him calling for help.
Not easy to yell with a hand over ones mouth. OVER----
If he had his hand over his mouth it doesn't mean he didn't fight him and got Trayvon's hand off his mouth long enough to scream. I googled it and the first two references to this story are from DU. Others are from comments on other sites. Vesta, don't be so friggen guilable and quick to judge. You have a habit of doing this.
Wait BEG, you're not telling me... You mean you're actually saying a hand can be moved once it's placed over someone's face?
Oh my God. I've got to call Jet Propulsion Laboratory with this. This is a new paradigm in physics. I mean this is groundbreaking!
Hey, wait. I just thought of something. Maybe Zimmerman screamed before the hand went over his mouth. Could it be? I know it's far fetched, but... Maybe I can get some computer time from MIT to work on this. Oh geez, I've got goosebumps. I'm so excited!
Me and you, BEG. We're gonna be in Stockholm next year, sharing that Nobel.
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If he had his hand over his mouth it doesn't mean he didn't fight him and got Trayvon's hand off his mouth long enough to scream. I googled it and the first two references to this story are from DU. Others are from comments on other sites. Vesta, don't be so friggen guilable and quick to judge. You have a habit of doing this.
Wait BEG, you're not telling me... You mean you're actually saying a hand can be moved once it's placed over someone's face?
Oh my God. I've got to call Jet Propulsion Laboratory with this. This is a new paradigm in physics. I mean this is groundbreaking!
Hey, wait. I just thought of something. Maybe Zimmerman screamed before the hand went over his mouth. Could it be? I know it's far fetched, but... Maybe I can get some computer time from MIT to work on this. Oh geez, I've got goosebumps. I'm so excited!
Me and you, BEG. We're gonna be in Stockholm next year, sharing that Nobel.
You and I should run away together.
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You and I should run away together.
It would never be dull.
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To the bolded above--Unicorns shit Skittles. That's why the moonbats love 'em so much.
Didn't the Democrat who shot Harvey Milk and one other guy nobody remembers claim he did it because he was high on Twinkies?
If Travon did attack Zimmerman, maybe it was the Skittles that made him do it? And maybe Zimmerman, being a white-hispanic gun-toting Democrat, understood this and was aiming for the Skittles and missed!
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I knew they would say it was photoshopped, so well photoshopped in fact that the person who manipulated the photo put Zimmerman's jacket in the photo....and altered the police report to reflect the injury. Pretty smart guy. :whatever:
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I knew they would say it was photoshopped, so well photoshopped in fact that the person who manipulated the photo put Zimmerman's jacket in the photo....and altered the police report to reflect the injury. Pretty smart guy. :whatever:
Nah, somehow Zimmerman was hurt, may have tripped over his own feet and fell backward into the cement.
Very interesting this problem that will just balloon out of proportion.
How will this effect the Bully laws for kids. Some kid walking home is stalked by a bully with a ball bat, cornered and has the firkin nerve to fight back. Kid gets out a round house punch to the Bully's nose and the Bully has to defend themselves by conking the kid with the ball bat and kills the attacker.
Fact is Zimmerm WAS stalking the kid, when told to stop by the police dispatcher he ignored the order, left his car and stalked the kid on foot, armed with a weapon no less.
Now what, do we teach our boys to never fight if threatend, to just wimp out fall face down on the ground when anyone especially a stranger that was following them causes them fear ?
This bothers me, Why are victims suppose to allow anyone to have their way with them, not defend themselves be they kids or the elderly.
Had that one case years ago when in New york a teenage girl was afraid of some gang members, she borrowed a switch blade from her boyfriend for protection, days later 3-4 gang members raped her, she pulled out the knife and cut some of them and Guess What, the boys were never charged but she was for using an Illegal weapon to defend herself.
I as a woman with 2 daughters never got over that case, where is it said when a life is at stake one cannot do EVERYTHING legal or not to defend themselves.
3 years ago a family moved to NYC, the father put in for a gun license and while waiting he heard a noise late at night to find a man in his home entering his child's bedroom. He naturally shot the intruder and HE was arrested for having an unlicensed weapon as the license had not yet been granted. Thank God the NRA came to his defence, without the backing of the NRA he could have gone to jail for 10 years while the on record pedophile and thief sued the family for medical expenses.
We have the right to defend ourselves in any way necessary, Law of the Jungle, kill or be killed, When being stalked and jacked up few males will not go into a fighting mode, what ever happens to the stalker is their problem, tough shit if they pick on the wrong male or female, this does not give the stalker the right to kill the person they are stalking because they fought back.
Waiting for more information on this case, it is sure to take a few odd twists and turns.
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vesta, your mind is so blinded by your agenda, you think a neighborhood watch keeper, in a gated community, who sees a young man in a hoodie, who doesn't belong there, reporting his suspicious presence, stalking. Your blind agenda is so outrageous you will never have enough room in your mind for the truth.
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Hey vesta, you dumb scrunt...a police dispatcher telling zimmerman not to follow St Trayvon held as much legal responsibility as you calling him and telling him the same thing. In other words, it holds zero weight...you don't have to do squat that a dispatcher tells you to do. When an actual officer arrives onscene that's a whole different story and according to the responding officer he complied with every request. Try to pay attention a little more and talk a little less.
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Hey vesta, you dumb scrunt...a police dispatcher telling zimmerman not to follow St Trayvon held as much legal responsibility as you calling him and telling him the same thing. In other words, it holds zero weight...you don't have to do squat that a dispatcher tells you to do. When an actual officer arrives onscene that's a whole different story and according to the responding officer he complied with every request. Try to pay attention a little more and talk a little less.
She also doesn't know what he did when the 911 dispatcher told him he didn't need to follow him. He said "OK", Vesta has no way of telling what he did from there.
Zimmerman said he turned around and started to go back to his truck when Trayvon came around the other way and confronted him. We will see during the trial what eye witnesses have to say. The whole "Trayvon was hunted down like a dog" crap started with democrat congressmen/women started saying it. They (and Vesta) have no idea what really happened.
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But vesta won't admit that. She will continue to scurrilously fling unfounded hateful allegations around couched as fact.
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As mentioned on another thread, I have no opinion of the events surrounding Martin & Zimmerman until I hear some genuine testimony - save for the fact it was a tragedy. -A kid died, and people are going to have to live with that. All other information is tainted at this moment, and shouldn't be trusted.
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Just saying, if events followed the animation why didn't Trayvon go on home where he would have been safe and everything would have ended, instead of going back to attack George?
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Just saying, if events followed the animation why didn't Trayvon go on home where he would have been safe and everything would have ended, instead of going back to attack George?
Well Linda that was a big help especially since that was the longest 911 call I have heard. THANK YOU. Zimmerman does not sound like a lunatic on THAT tape, he sound cool, calm and professional in fact.
To answer your question on why Martin did not go home, so far no one has said how long he had been visiting, if he had only been there a few days, on a dark and rainy night he may have gotten turned about and was sort of at a loss about the area still.
I believe it was Beg that sent some links and asked me to read, from what I gather Martin was a troubled youth, one just a heart beat away from getting into big trouble. He may well have been casing the neighborhood, some people do turn on the lights and forget to close their blinds.
My biggest problem is that Zimmerman did exit his car and follow him on foot. That would scare anyone in a strange place by itself.
Seems Martin was no stranger to violence, and knee jerk reaction may have caused him to attack what he perceived as a threat. I kind of go with his mother that stated that "this was a horrid accident" before being told to " Shut up".
As the DOORS put it so well, ---When your strange, faces come out of the rain, no one remembers your name, Faces look wicked when your a stranger------Now I will have that song in my head all night.