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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on April 19, 2012, 06:17:23 PM
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malaise
Why are ReTHUGS against electric cars
Is it because they are owned by big Oil?
I don't get it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002584520
Because the gasoline engine is still the best way to propel a car. If they can perfect battery technology and give us cars that perform the same as the ones we have now, and they are affordable we may jump on the bandwagon. It doesn't make any sense to jump on the electric car bandwagon when gas powered cars work just fine. Besides you need coal fired plants to produce the electricity in order to charge the batteries and the 0bama administration is trying to kill the coal industry. A windmill is not going to cut it.
movonne
2. Rush and other rw talk show hosts tell them how
to think...if it is anything progressive they hate it...
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Politicalboi
3. My guess is
If they accept electric cars, they are accepting Global Warming. It's their way to rebel.
No electric cars suck and gas powered cars do a good job, it's as simple as that.
LiberalLoner
6. Yup, it means they would also accept the idea that gas will continue to be more and more
expensive (peak oil.) Peak oil is another concept they don't believe in.
I haven't heard them yammer about peak oil for a few years.
TheWraith
19. That, and they're reflexively against progress. nt
Wrong again we have plenty of ideas that will bring about progress but you goons scream like stuck pigs when we speak of them.
malaise
30. Good post
with some reasonable questions but ReTHUGS have no problems with subsidies for big oil et al even when their profits are going through the roof.
I'd rather have subsidies for companies not going out of business. I know crazy right?
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I'm not against electric cars at all, I just don't think the technology is there to make them even remotely economical, even aside from the blind eye being turned to the downstream hazardous waste issue produced by the dead high-tech batteries, and the limited range issues inherent to the type.
I am, however, dead set against subsidizing production of anything beyond the prototyping stage, as opposed to technical research which I do fully support subsidizing. Production subsidies distort the market and create boundless opportunities for graft, as the unholy pairing of Obama campaign bundlers and solar power companies will bear witness.
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Tell ya what, DUmb****s--when an electric car can be several things, namely
1) Safe (doesn't burst into flames after it's been in an accident--see Volt, Chevrolet as an example of one that does)
2) Affordable (doesn't require over $40,000 to buy--see Volt, Chevrolet as an example of one that's not)
3) Lightweight (they're all pretty heavy)
Maybe if the electric car proponents work on those three things, you'd be going somewhere.
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I don't ride unicorns either.
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I have learned to be against anything liberals are championing. Its the safest play considering the facts of their history. Even if it appears altruistic on the surface it is most assuredly a ploy to take liberty and give power to more leftists.
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Umm, let's start with the cost of electric cars.
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And why do they ask questions at a board we can't register at, why not ask it here?
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I don't understand why they don't make them to work like a locomotive or a ship? With a generator instead of a battery. Seems to me you could run a nice size electric motor with a very small gas or diesel motor? Am I wrong?
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Sorry DUchebags, I have been designing machines for over 40 years and since I actually have not only advanced degrees but have specific automotive experience. Batteries cost too much, don't have the energy density, and are the worst environmental offender of any energy. Oh and they are not cos competitive even with huge infusions of 0bama's stash. That is why I am against electric cars. All based on proven engineering principles and experience. I'd go through the math but would lose you at 1+1.
All lurking DUches should really look up Dunning-Kruger Effect on wikipedia. That's you.
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Again, DUmbass, I refer you to the link in my sig line.
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Electric cars are a money losing proposition. Even the Toyota Prius loses around $2,000 on the sale of each one. Those under 40 grand are slow and mileage goes way down if you drive the thing over 70mph. If you run out of energy in an electric car (not a hybrid), what are you going to do...plug it into Obama's ass??. :lol: :thatsright: :hammer:
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Electric cars will never pick up. They don't recharge in motion, they cost way too much, and they can't tow worth a damn.
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Because they are gay. That's why.
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TheWraith
19. That, and they're reflexively against progress. nt
I'm all for progress.
First there was the caplock, then the flintlock, then a Sharps carbine, followed by the Winchester repeating rifle. In the late 1880's, the bolt action rifle was put into service, soon followed by the semi automatic and full automatic battle rifles.
As to my personal collection, I have a Mak-90, FN-FAL, UZI and a AR-15. All set up for urban conflict.
So you see, we do believe in progress.
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Pwnd by a Noob. probably to be tombstoned in the not too distant future.
28. I am bracing for the slapdown......but I don't like electric cars.
There is very little upside.
1. Cars that get over 40 mpg right now have comparable CO2 output.
2. Cost - cost to buy (and since the $7,500 credit is non-refundable, you've got to be a top tier earner to even get that discount), higher cost to insure (due to higher cost), and, in the states with personal property tax, high taxes due to higher cost. As an example of the taxes, if the Leaf cost $10,000 more than a comparable car, in my county (30% assessment and 141 mils), I would pay an extra $423 in the first year. As an example of the insurance, I got on-line quotes from my insurance company for a Volt vs a Ford Focus...around $500 a year difference.
3. Savings not that great. Ignoring the additional costs to own, we can look at the operating cost savings. It costs around 4 cents a mile (34 kwh/100 mile and $0.12 per kwh). A new Hyundai Elantra gets 40 mpg...and $3.75 a gallon, that's $0.094 per mile. We average 12,000 miles a year, which would save us....$648 a year in fuel.
As you can see, you would have to drive several years, in order to lower the car's insurance and tax value, before you even get to start thinking about the gas savings offsetting the initial cost.
And lets be honest - the battery will not last forever. Its hard to nail down the cost of the battery, but a Reuters story from 2 days ago says $689 per kwh, which is $15,800. A story from yesterday says the Ford Focus electric battery will cost between $12,000 and $15,000. Just using the low end cost of $12 thousand, and the anticipated gas savings (ignoring the higher cost of ownership), you would break even, if you went 222,000 miles. They've got a warranty for the first 100k, so assuming you get a change out then for free, and you need a new one at the 222k mark, you've broke even. I understand engines go bad too...but the cost to replace an engine is less than half that cost. (BTW, how on earth would Nissan make any money, if most people came back for a 'just in case' battery swap at the 99k mile mark).
But what about the environment? CO2 is a wash with some of the uber mileage gas and Prius style hybrids.
But what about the future? I remember just a few short years ago, when everybody (and 95% of politicians of all stripes) was shouting 'HYDROGEN' from the rooftops. Remember? Hydrogen fuel cells were going to save us? It was the future...except it wasn't.
Then there was ethanol. It was surely going to be our saving grace...but, it wasn't.
But what about getting away from oil? I do not have my head in the sand about oil. In fact, I think we can follow what many Europeans have done. They are putting LNG conversion kits in their cars...as an aftermarket device. It makes the car a multifuel vehicle...because sometimes natural gas is cheaper than gasoline, in Europe. Anyone know where we have a newfound glut of NG?...and the underground storage space is running out? Here. Right here.
With much fanfare, my community installed a free to use charging station...which I have NEVER seen used.
With no fanfare whatsoever, two privately owned LNG stations have opened in my community. I really do think LNG is the quiet wave of the future.
Where will electric cars be in 5 years? There will be a few - fleets, ride-share arrangements, etc....but for the most part, they will be as memorable as all those hydrogen fuel cells we were supposed to have by now.
Flame away - I've been called plenty of names. But, I would be especially appreciative if anybody finds a factual flaw in my reasoning.
I don't 'hate' electric cars...but for the reasons listed above, I'm not a supporter.
Disclaimer - the technology of the non plug in Prius, and those that copy it, is much better at costing out; and, I do not lump it in with plug ins. I do think that more and more new car models will copy. I understand that Prius now has a plug in model...and it does make perfect sense to start out with a fully charged battery...as long as the good people of Toyota aren't tempted to add substantial weight, in the form of a larger battery.
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Pwnd by a Noob. probably to be tombstoned in the not too distant future.
Yeah, he won't last very long. They don't like people who don't kiss their ass, or think what they think.
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Because they are gay. That's why.
:rotf:
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I take it the anti-American malaise primitive has an electric car.
Oh, he doesn't?
malaise primtive, how about you first, you dimwit? Put your money where your stupid mouth is.
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I got on-line quotes from my insurance company for a Volt vs a Ford Focus...around $500 a year difference.
You should be able to save a little bit of that difference, since it's not necessary to insure against theft.
0bamaite ghetto rats don't go for golf carts.
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Ever seen a Prius that:
--Came in 4WD?
--Could navigate through mud and snow?
--Could haul a family of five and luggage?
--Could pull a boat, camper, or anything larger than a 10-speed?
--Didn't slow down by at least 10 mph when you turned on the A/C?
--You couldn't steer by sticking your hands out the window?
--Cost less to own and operate than a 1/2-ton pickup?
Lemme know when you come up with one, DUmmies.
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Some one on here is Unicornist.
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Ever seen a Prius that:
--Came in 4WD?
--Could haul a family of five and luggage?
--Could pull a boat, camper, or anything larger than a 10-speed?
Lemme know when you come up with one, DUmmies.
Four wheel drive, families, boats and campers are all Rethug stuff.
0bamaites don't do none of that shit.
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I'm against electric cars because the queen of all knowledge and wisdom has informed me that cell phone batteries are not safe. If those little bitty cell phone batteries are unsafe just think how unsafe a battery that powers a car would have to be.
Suffice to say, the queen of all knowledge and wisdom is nadin and has a perfect record in relation to her accuracy.
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I'm against electric cars because the queen of all knowledge and wisdom has informed me that cell phone batteries are not safe. If those little bitty cell phone batteries are unsafe just think how unsafe a battery that powers a car would have to be.
Suffice to say, the queen of all knowledge and wisdom is nadin and has a perfect record in relation to her accuracy.
Whoops--looks like someone didn't heed nads' warning about driving electric cars...
(http://amboytimes.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c62f553ef011168ee96de970c-800wi)
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Pwnd by a Noob. probably to be tombstoned in the not too distant future.
Reading that I think Idiocracy and see the DUmmies giving the same expression Frito Pendejo gave when Not Sure was trying to figure out the time machine, and how it would work, but then this would change, then maybe it won't work, ...etc.
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I got nothin against electric cars...Eh accept the catching on fire thing and the fact I they cost too much and the fact the return on investment is not favorable.
Tell ya what DUmbasses...lets do this.
You might be familiar with Indianapolis, its got this thing called 465 which runs as a loop around the city, are you with me still?
Ok so we get in a helicopter and we go up and remain centered on monument circle but we are far enough up that we can see 465.
Now, look around and tell me what you see...on 465 and on the streets of Indy.
Whats that you say? You see cars? Cars that run on gasoline and diesel?
As far as the eye can see you say?
Ok, now that were back on the ground lets drive around a bit and checkout the support infrastructure for electric cars.
What! There is no infrastructure?! Does that mean I can't wheel into the local Speedway and plug in?!
Look DUmbasses, the point of this exercise is to show that the technology is NOT ready for prime time...do ya get it now?
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Lithium is used to combat depression...DUmmies can snort the batteries when they are dead....recycling at it's finest to the DUmmie mind.
I type to slow to express everything I think about electric cars.
But here I go..."...WTH Happened, I didn't hit post??????????
Anyway, here I go ...."SUPER CONDUCTIVITY"....until they develope a material that will act as a "super conductor" at some reasonably maintained cool temperture, I don't see much improvement in the "battery powered electric car".
All those billions wasted on green energy would have been better spent on research for said material.
Until then, The only hope for electric cars would be something like bump'em cars or the old electric line overhead buses and trains.
Now where is that picture of Obama in the "bump'em" car?
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Refueling my trucks 21 gal tank takes ~ 3min and that includes payment.
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Refueling my trucks 21 gal tank takes ~ 3min and that includes payment.
My truck holds enough gas to get me to the next station.
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My truck holds enough gas to get me to the next station.
In the winter with the heater on. Not to mention that I can work on it without electrocuting myself.
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Why are DUmmies such big fans of coal-fired cars? Dirty, sooty coal. Why???
Lacrew gives a perfectly reasonable argument, then he has a few more posts. They ignore that, and make lame jokes about conservatives being against progress, and just dying to line the pockets of corporations. Who wants to go back to windmills?
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Why are DUmmies such big fans of coal-fired cars? Dirty, sooty coal. Why???
Lacrew gives a perfectly reasonable argument, then he has a few more posts. They ignore that, and make lame jokes about conservatives being against progress, and just dying to line the pockets of corporations. Who wants to go back to windmills?
Take a DUmmie out to a field on a 100 degree day and put him to plowing a mule. 15 minutes later he won't give a rip how much you pollute....anything will be better to him than hard work and mule farts.
DUmmie engineered electric car.....a convertible with 6 seats. Each passenger will wear a beanie cap with a propeller on top driving a mini-generator to recharge battery while car is in motion.
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Take a DUmmie out to a field on a 100 degree day and put him to plowing a mule. 15 minutes later he won't give a rip how much you pollute....anything will be better to him than hard work and mule farts.
DUmmie engineered electric car.....a convertible with 6 seats. Each passenger will wear a beanie cap with a propeller on top driving a mini-generator to recharge battery while car is in motion.
Bad analogy.
DUmmies would follow a mule anywhere. After all, they are the party of the ass.
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Refueling my trucks 21 gal tank takes ~ 3min and that includes payment.
I looked at the new F-150's. While I like the idea of a 36-gallon tank, I'm not all that wild about paying $150 for a fillup.
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I looked at the new F-150's. While I like the idea of a 36-gallon tank, I'm not all that wild about paying $150 for a fillup.
That is why I haven't bought one. I would be filling it up once a week, so it would cost more for gas than it does for the truck payment.
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I looked at the new F-150's. While I like the idea of a 36-gallon tank, I'm not all that wild about paying $150 for a fillup.
288,000 relatively trouble free miles and very happy to take it as far as it will go.
4.2 V6 with the 5 speed manual. No frills
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Question: how much has the battery op cars improved since it was introduced way back "in the day"?
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Question: how much has the battery op cars improved since it was introduced way back "in the day"?
Quite a bit, but the price has increased at the same rate. Gizmodo has an article about batteries that generate an electric charge from the atmosphere.
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You can get a used Prius for around $11-13k (sans replacement battery) and if you're a resident of Illinois, you can get a brand-new Volt for only a few dollars more -- I think the state offers a $7,500 tax bonus on top of the fed subsidy. If I were to build my own DIY electric car, it would be identical to the Chevrolet Volt... a purely electric car that carries it's own generator (unlike a "hybrid" that uses both motors and batteries to move the car). I like the idea of the Volt, I just have no taste for GM's politics, lame-ass styling, or shitty union-dominated management.
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Quite a bit, but the price has increased at the same rate. Gizmodo has an article about batteries that generate an electric charge from the atmosphere.
I thought I heard (can't remember where) that the distance a car will go on a charge hasn't really improved very much.
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My feeble brain hasn't quite grasped the difference, but the distance you can go on an electrical charge is not the same as the speed you can travel. Sure, you can go 100 miles on Jay Leno's old 1903 electric runabout, but you'll only do it at 12 mph.
Amperage = speed while voltage = range. Most all electrical cars will have similar voltage but better cars will have a higher amperage-per-hour rating.
I'm confused. :(
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I Nadined it. LINK (http://www.autoracingdaily.com/news/general-interest/electric-not-all-its-cracked-up-to-be/)
Electric motors and batteries have improved substantially over the past one hundred years, but today’s much hyped electric cars have a range that is - at best - comparable to that of their predecessors at the beginning of the 20th century. Weight, comfort, speed and performance have eaten up any real progress. We don’t need better batteries, we need better cars.
From about 1895 to the mid-1920s, and following the bicycle craze of the 1890s, electric cars shared the road with petrol and steam powered cars. EV’s were comparatively slow, heavy, and had a smaller range than their alternatives. During the very early years, however, electric automobiles were the most popular option for a short time, mainly because of two reasons.
Firstly, they were easy to start, while a gasoline car had to be cranked up and a steam powered car required a long firing-up time (not unlike a wood gas car). Secondly, there were few paved roads outside the city at the turn of the 20th century, which made the limited range of EV’s not that problematic. The production of electric vehicles peaked in 1912: during that time there were 30,000 EV’s on the road in the United States, two-thirds of these were used as private passenger cars. Europe had around 4,000 electric vehicles.
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Then and now: 100 miles
If today’s supporters of EV’s would dig into the specifications and the sales brochures of early 20th century electric “horseless carriagesâ€, their enthusiasm would quickly disappear. Fast-charged batteries (to 80% capacity in 10 minutes), automated battery swapping stations, public charging poles, load balancing, the entire business plan of Better Place, in-wheel motors, regenerative braking: it was all there in the late 1800s or the early 1900s. It did not help. Most surprisingly, however, is the seemingly non-existent progress of battery technology.
The Nissan Leaf and the Mitsubishi i-MiEV, two electric cars to be introduced on the market in 2010, have exactly the same range as the 1908 Fritchle Model A Victoria: 100 miles (160 kilometres) on a single charge. The “100-mile Fritchle†was a progressive engineering feat for its time, but it was not the only early electric that boasted a 100 mile range. I have only chosen it because its specifications are most complete, and because its range was certified.
The first electric cars (1894 - 1900) had a range of 20 to 40 miles (32 to 64 kilometres), still better than the 20 km “range†of a horse. The average second generation EV (1901 - 1910) already boasted a mileage of 50 to 80 miles (80 to 130 km). The third generation of early electric cars (1911-1920), including larger vehicles that could seat 5 people comfortably, could travel 75 to more than 100 miles (120 to more than 160 km) on a single charge - and this is still the range of electric cars today.
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My feeble brain hasn't quite grasped the difference, but the distance you can go on an electrical charge is not the same as the speed you can travel. Sure, you can go 100 miles on Jay Leno's old 1903 electric runabout, but you'll only do it at 12 mph.
Amperage = speed while voltage = range. Most all electrical cars will have similar voltage but better cars will have a higher amperage-per-hour rating.
I'm confused. :(
You still can only go so far on a charge. You would think after well over a 100 years that we would have been able to improve the battery so that a car could go much farther, no matter how fast you get there.
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Yes, but you're not including acceleration or average speed. Those cars have the same numbers but they were much slower. If you took sixty seconds to get up to speed, you would be run off the road.
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Yes, but you're not including acceleration or average speed. Those cars have the same numbers but they were much slower. If you took sixty seconds to get up to speed, you would be run off the road.
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It doesn't matter how fast you get there if you can only go so far on a charge.
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You still can only go so far on a charge. You would think after well over a 100 years that we would have been able to improve the battery so that a car could go much farther, no matter how fast you get there.
Unfortunately one can't repeal the laws of physics, and the battery "cell" is fundamentally unchanged (except the materials and size) from its invention 5,000 years ago.
doc
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How about because I like driving over 45 miles an hour and putting hay on the roof of one of those stupid things is impractical. Idiots.
Cindie
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How about because I like driving over 45 miles an hour and putting hay on the roof of one of those stupid things is impractical. Idiots.
Cindie
Every time I see a Toyota Prius driving below the speed limit on the interstate, I have this urge to run this POS off the road.
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Every time I see a Toyota Prius driving below the speed limit on the interstate, I have this urge to run this POS off the road.
I'm glad I'm not the only way who wants to do such things. :)
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I'm glad I'm not the only way who wants to do such things. :)
Depending on my mood, I sometimes blow my horn at them.
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Every time I see a Toyota Prius driving below the speed limit on the interstate, I have this urge to run this POS off the road.
The Honda Insight was such a big hit it immediately faded into the oblivion.
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The Honda Insight was such a big hit it immediately faded into the oblivion.
Damn shame that the lefties are arm twisting domestic and foreign car makers into making these dogs. I want to barf when these environmental car commercials come on. They are a losing money proposition. So, in order to make a profit, the mfg. have to raise the prices of the gasoline cars that we want. We are getting the shaft.
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Every time I see a Toyota Prius driving below the speed limit on the interstate, I have this urge to run this POS off the road.
FIFY.
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I am not against electric cars. I am against LIBERALS telling me I have to drive one.
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Depending on my mood, I sometimes blow my horn at them.
I'd like to, and wave at them as I go by (with one finger, not all five), but I have "U.S. MAIL" stickers on my car. :lmao:
http://www.electstevedawes.com
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My father just bought a Prius (and a RAV4, but that's really not relevant to this), brand-new. I told him that he needed to get some right-wing bumper stickers on it, maybe an NRA sticker . . . just to piss lefties off. He thought the idea was great--he just didn't want to ruin the paint job.
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My issues with electric cars:
1. They are disgracefully expensive, hence why it's mainly just wealthy people and celebrities that drive them.
2. They are extremely inefficient compared to gas- powered cars.
3. They tend to perform much more poorly on crash tests and other such safety tests than gas- powered cars do.
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Every time I see a Toyota Prius driving below the speed limit on the interstate, I have this urge to run this POS off the road.
That's funny I have that reaction to so called smart cars.
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That's funny I have that reaction to so called smart cars.
I almost did that in my truck. This idiot came off 20 onto Bobby Jones Expressway and instead of looking, merged right in front of me with inches to spare and me almost having to lock up my brakes. I don't even know if they're supposed to be on the interstate like the one he exited, but someone should tell idiots like that when a smart car tackles a extended cab 1500 Z71, the Z71 usually comes out on top. He knew it when I laid on my horn 6 inches away.
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I almost did that in my truck. This idiot came off 20 onto Bobby Jones Expressway and instead of looking, merged right in front of me with inches to spare and me almost having to lock up my brakes. I don't even know if they're supposed to be on the interstate like the one he exited, but someone should tell idiots like that when a smart car tackles a extended cab 1500 Z71, the Z71 usually comes out on top. He knew it when I laid on my horn 6 inches away.
"Smart Car Sandwich"
(http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2009/8/12/16/smart-car-sandwich-2536-1250109271-0.jpg)
It should be noted that Smart Car enthusiasts have argued that the vehicle in this photo isn't a "Smart Car"......which may be true.......however would anyone argue that the outcome would be any different? The occupants are still going to be removed with a stick, a spoon, and an industrial-grade vacuum......
doc
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(http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2009/8/12/16/smart-car-sandwich-2536-1250109271-0.jpg)
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NOT SMART
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That's funny I have that reaction to so called smart cars.
Agree! I want to try to kick a Smart car over sometime soon. Oh, and the Scion has something out called the iQ. It's just as small as that "Smart" car.
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Agree! I want to try to kick a Smart car over sometime soon. Oh, and the Scion has something out called the iQ. It's just as small as that "Smart" car.
I'm sure that Smart cars wind up in all sorts of places, as the result of pranks. As for the iQ, well, take a look . . .
http://www.scion.com/cars/iQ/
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I doubt that ambulance is necessary.
They bought a moonbat smart car with the full Rachel Corrie option package.
Reminds me of the great parody song Rush used to play.
And as the crowds drive past a little flat car
You know they saved a lot of gas
But they didnt get far
In a Yugo
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I know a person who just bought a smart car. I tried to sit in and couldn't get in the damn thing. He was saying that that only thing he doesn't like about it that wind gusts make it go all over the road. I told him that I would hate to be in wreck with it. They look really unsafe.
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I know a person who just bought a smart car. I tried to sit in and couldn't get in the damn thing. He was saying that that only thing he doesn't like about it that wind gusts make it go all over the road. I told him that I would hate to be in wreck with it. They look really unsafe.
On the bright side, if you are ever in need of a spare tire you can always pull one off your kids big wheel.
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I know a person who just bought a smart car. I tried to sit in and couldn't get in the damn thing. He was saying that that only thing he doesn't like about it that wind gusts make it go all over the road. I told him that I would hate to be in wreck with it. They look really unsafe.
Fat woman used to pick up her skinny son at school in a smart car. I don't think it was a smart buy because the poor boy barely had room to get in the thing with her and then he had to hold his book bag on his lap.
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Fat woman used to pick up her skinny son at school in a smart car. I don't think it was a smart buy because the poor boy barely had room to get in the thing with her and then he had to hold his book bag on his lap.
I am wondering if there is a weight limit on those? I don't think they are very powerful vehicles at all.
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I doubt that ambulance is necessary.
They bought a moonbat smart car with the full Rachel Corrie option package.
Reminds me of the great parody song Rush used to play.
Paul Shanklin.
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I am wondering if there is a weight limit on those? I don't think they are very powerful vehicles at all.
400 lb max load capacity (including fuel and engine fluids).....Engine: 3 cyl, 1.0 L, 71 HP, 33 mpg hwy (which sucks for its size)
doc
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The biggest problem with electric cars, and the reason they haven't advanced all that much in a century is the electricity.
Electricity doesn't like to be stored. At all. At least not at temperatures possible on earth. (absolute zero) Gasoline, diesel, and even propane & natural gas can be stored easily as they are more or less stable in normal operating environments.
So, the amount of battery that needs to be built far outweighs the amount of charge it holds.
Example : -- I have an empty cup
All I need to do to store gasoline or diesel in it is fill it, and put a lid on it. Done.
If I want to store natural gas or propane in it, I need to make sure the cup is completely sealed, and can be pressurized. Done.
If I want to make it into a battery, I need to fill it with an assortment of metals and other chemical compounds to keep the electrical charge inside from dissipating or otherwise escaping. Most of the space in the cup is filled with crap, not electrons. ANd as we all know from grade school science, two things cannot occupy the same space.
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400 lb max load capacity (including fuel and engine fluids).....Engine: 3 cyl, 1.0 L, 71 HP, 33 mpg hwy (which sucks for its size)
doc
I am surprised those things can go up over a hill. wow
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I am surprised those things can go up over a hill. wow
I had a Pinto in college. That thing would go down a small hill (full throttle) at 85mph and then back up huffing and puffing at 70.
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Sounds like an old Volkswagen. If you didn't floor it going downhill, you'd never get over the next one. I've heard the best way to drive one is "flat out".
I think maybe a Karmann Ghia or Porsche 912 should be next on my list of cars to test drive.
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400 lb max load capacity (including fuel and engine fluids).....Engine: 3 cyl, 1.0 L, 71 HP, 33 mpg hwy (which sucks for its size)
doc
My motorcycle had more HP than that and it was a V-4.
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400 lb max load capacity (including fuel and engine fluids).....Engine: 3 cyl, 1.0 L, 71 HP, 33 mpg hwy (which sucks for its size)
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I had a 1993 Geo Metro with a 1.0L, TBI, 3-cylinder engine. I think it was rated at 60hp, but with the 5-speed manual, it got 45 MPG, and pulled hills quite nicely, rarely having to take it out of 5th on the highway.
Had to put a clutch and head gasket on it when I got it. Little 7 inch job that cost more than the one for my diesel pickup! Head gasket was $60 (2 for a V-8 Chevy is under $30).
Had to sell it because it was getting almost impossible to find 12 inch tires for it, and I didn't want to spend the money to upgrade to 13 inch rims.
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I had a 1993 Geo Metro with a 1.0L, TBI, 3-cylinder engine. I think it was rated at 60hp, but with the 5-speed manual, it got 45 MPG, and pulled hills quite nicely, rarely having to take it out of 5th on the highway.
Had to put a clutch and head gasket on it when I got it. Little 7 inch job that cost more than the one for my diesel pickup! Head gasket was $60 (2 for a V-8 Chevy is under $30).
Had to sell it because it was getting almost impossible to find 12 inch tires for it, and I didn't want to spend the money to upgrade to 13 inch rims.
My brother had a Geo Metro - we would often carpool to work together in it. Considering I am 6 ft tall and he is something like 6'4 it usually resembled people entering/exiting a clown car. Since we both had reputations as a pair of jokers, it was somewhat appropriate.
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My brother had a Geo Metro - we would often carpool to work together in it. Considering I am 6 ft tall and he is something like 6'4 it usually resembled people entering/exiting a clown car. Since we both had reputations as a pair of jokers, it was somewhat appropriate.
I'm 6'2", but that thing had a lot of leg and head room for it's size. We always had trouble with the driver side window coming out of the channel, and the door key wouldn't work in that door, either. We had to unlock the passenger door, then reach thru to unlock the driver door.
I have a '93 Buick that's the same way, but it has electric door locks. Nicer still is the switch that unlocks the doors ONLY WORKS on the passenger side. :lmao:
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We always had trouble with the driver side window coming out of the channel, and the door key wouldn't work in that door, either. We had to unlock the passenger door, then reach thru to unlock the driver door.
That was my '82 Plymouth TC3 - it came with a VW Scirocco 4 cyl engine and matching 4 Spd manual transmission. It was a real fun little car to own. Unfortunately for me, It was done up in Rusty Jones rustproofing and the vehicle disintegrated. One day, the spare tire was on the ground because it fell through the storage well in the trunk.
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I had a 1993 Geo Metro with a 1.0L, TBI, 3-cylinder engine. I think it was rated at 60hp, but with the 5-speed manual, it got 45 MPG, and pulled hills quite nicely, rarely having to take it out of 5th on the highway.
Had to put a clutch and head gasket on it when I got it. Little 7 inch job that cost more than the one for my diesel pickup! Head gasket was $60 (2 for a V-8 Chevy is under $30).
Had to sell it because it was getting almost impossible to find 12 inch tires for it, and I didn't want to spend the money to upgrade to 13 inch rims.
We bought one of those in '85 for our daughter's college graduation gift (it was called the Chevrolet Sprint then, manufactured by Isuzu). Driven at 65 on the highway, it would routinely deliver 50 mpg, and she drove it for ten years before passing it down to our youngest son.
We had to replace the clutch (twice) and transmission (50 bucks from a junkyard), but it had over 120,000 on it when it finally rusted to the point where I determined that it wasn't safe. My son gave it to his girlfriend's father who welded scab plates over the rust, and drove it some more........
Since I only paid $5k for it new, and the kids drove it 15 years total, it wasn't a bad investment.......
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They should give those smart cars the title of rollscanhardley. Yeah, it rolls down one hill and can hardly make it up the next. :rofl:
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They should give those smart cars the title of rollscanhardley. Yeah, it rolls down one hill and can hardly make it up the next. :rofl:
They probably go up hill OK.....truck driver hardly even knows he's pushing it. Unless he's driving a cabover, he won't even see it.
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We bought one of those in '85 for our daughter's college graduation gift (it was called the Chevrolet Sprint then, manufactured by Isuzu). Driven at 65 on the highway, it would routinely deliver 50 mpg, and she drove it for ten years before passing it down to our youngest son.
We had to replace the clutch (twice) and transmission (50 bucks from a junkyard), but it had over 120,000 on it when it finally rusted to the point where I determined that it wasn't safe. My son gave it to his girlfriend's father who welded scab plates over the rust, and drove it some more........
Since I only paid $5k for it new, and the kids drove it 15 years total, it wasn't a bad investment.......
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Suzuki made the Metro. This one we bought for my step-son in 2002. It had 130,000 when we bought it. The guy wanted $1,400 for it, but it needed a clutch. I got it for $800.
Believe it or not, they made a turbo-charged version of it. Now THAT'S what I would have wanted! :naughty:
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Back in the 80's, I met a fellow from Chicago camping in the Keys. He had towed a diesel powered Chevette down there for his kids to drive while they were there. He owned a dry cleaning business and had a fleet of 13 of those things...he loved them. He said they all had over 300,000 miles on them and had given very few problems. GM had quit making them and he was worried about what he was going to replace them with.
I think they had castiron 4 cylinder engines made by Isuzu.
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Back in the 80's, I met a fellow from Chicago camping in the Keys. He had towed a diesel powered Chevette down there for his kids to drive while they were there. He owned a dry cleaning business and had a fleet of 13 of those things...he loved them. He said they all had over 300,000 miles on them and had given very few problems. GM had quit making them and he was worried about what he was going to replace them with.
I think they had castiron 4 cylinder engines made by Isuzu.
IIRC, they got some ridiculously-high mileage numbers--around 50 mpg.