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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002582106
Oh my.
undergroundpanther (11,178 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
The Dangers of fundamentalist christian housing for people with mental illness
There is a place that houses the mentally ill out here called Hope House.The people running it are insane fundamentalist christians and control freaks.I just found this out,today. I was told when clients move in there the crazy religious assholes take them off their DOCTOR prescribed medications.And some meds need to be tapered off like seizure medications for safety reasons.They don't taper them off there,safely they just confiscate their medications and cut them off cold.
That means schizophrenics get no medication,people with depression can fall back into depression,etc..The person I was talking to had been in the hospital twice since she moved in there,the hospital stabilized her and she went back to 'hope house' and had a crisis again.
She said the people running the place took away her medication, they said to her, that it was ok to see people that are not there and that god can cure her of schizophrenia. Other people in the group I was talking with her and others ,there were others who lived there or are living there backed her up. The "hope house" christian fanatics had pulled this crap with them also..The more I heard I got more pissed.I felt like going to"hope house" and kicking some religious bully ass.
Religious people,especially ones that FORCE clients to go to church whether they believe or not and risk their sanity because of what the asshole running the place believes in..should be shut down,and the owners put in jail.I hate pushy,fundamentalist christians.They need to go away,stop & shut up.. the people running"hope house" are too ****ing religious to take care of anyone.
So many times I have wanted to punch pushy religious freaks in the face.I hate them.You cannot reason with them,or even talk to them like other people.I think these true believer types are a toxic religious disaster.
They should not be allowed to legally to run any housing for the mentally ill. They push religion,they try to bully clients into conversion and take away meds that some really do need. This is WRONG.They do not tell the clients their meds will be cut off when they are in the admission process. In my case assholes like the hope house staff would trigger me so bad,it would be a horror show,if they forced me to stop my meds,and go to their fanatic church. And it could get much worse the more they played control games and pushed religion....I know I'd be hospitalized in the first week.I was in Assemblies of God,and these people are dangerous and can't think clearly.They ****ed up my mind! After I got out of that cult I was a mess,emotionally.
These christian run places are ruled by religion are dangerous and inhumane.I wish bush never let christian-freak assholes "help" the mentally ill.Those fundies need to get out of the 'helping' business,period.**** them and their 'god'.
The whole thing is so WRONG.
Yeah, yeah.
But not to worry; Sherlock Judy, the grasswire primitive, is on the case:
grasswire (33,577 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. I would contact the state attorney general's office and provide information
Someone needs to advocate for people who have no voice or power.
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...and....who doesn't believe that "person" UP was referring to was it's own self? Come on, cat thing, you know that was about you.
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...but wasn't it all free?
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...but wasn't it all free?
Maybe, but if they didn't pay for "abortive services" for their employees, the fact that it was all free didn't count. :fuelfire:
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I was in Assemblies of God,and these people are dangerous and can't think clearly.They ****ed up my mind! After I got out of that cult I was a mess,emotionally.
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What passes for a "mind" in the subway feline is . . . well, "underfined," because such abject nothingness is not quantifiable.
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What passes for a "mind" in the subway feline is . . . well, "underfined," because such abject nothingness is not quantifiable.
I thought a space with nothing in it was called a vaccum.
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That place is in my town! I'll keep an eye out for a she-male who thinks it's a cat. :rotf:
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I thought a space with nothing in it was called a vaccum.
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Good point.
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Good point.
I dunno what the subway cat has against the Assemblies of God.
When I was checking some statistics some months ago, I learned that recently the Assemblies of God have been the fastest-growing denomination in America and Canada. They're still small, but they've been taking off like a rocket.
Now, I have my own denomination that isn't the Assemblies of God, but I must say, more power to them.
They must be doing something right.
I attended an Assembly of God service maybe, oh, about five months ago; a social obligation.
The place was not small, and it was packed. A little over half the adults there seemed to be under forty, and there were tons of kids.
Kudos to the Assemblies of God; obviously they have a message that resonates.
So probably the subway cat should try to figure out what's wrong with her, rather than what's wrong with them. It might clear up a great deal of confusion in her mind.
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So probably the subway cat should try to figure out what's wrong with her, rather than what's wrong with them. It might clear up a great deal of confusion in her mind.
ARE YOU CRAZY? That would mean she might have to give up her government check.
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I dunno what the subway cat has against the Assemblies of God.
When I was checking some statistics some months ago, I learned that recently the Assemblies of God have been the fastest-growing denomination in America and Canada. They're still small, but they've been taking off like a rocket.
Now, I have my own denomination that isn't the Assemblies of God, but I must say, more power to them.
They must be doing something right.
I attended an Assembly of God service maybe, oh, about five months ago; a social obligation.
The place was not small, and it was packed. A little over half the adults there seemed to be under forty, and there were tons of kids.
Kudos to the Assemblies of God; obviously they have a message that resonates.
So probably the subway cat should try to figure out what's wrong with her, rather than what's wrong with them. It might clear up a great deal of confusion in her mind.
I've went to an Assembly of God service once as my grandmother is a member. Good and friendly folks. Of course, DUmmies would be against them because the Assembly of God worships God, recognizes Jesus as the Savior, and realizes that sin is bad.
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Assembly of God worships God, recognizes Jesus as the Savior, and realizes that sin is bad.
Oh well that's just crazy talk.
The handful of DUmmies on the thread are just like Grasswipe. Somebody should do something!!! :panic: Nobody ever does anything. It too much resembles work, I guess. Judy, I know you're reading this. Why don't you make a few calls to get to the bottom of this? You might find out that your witness isn't very credible.
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I was told when clients move in there the crazy religious assholes take them off their DOCTOR prescribed medications.
No doubt what crazykat was told is that all meds go to the staff and the patient is re-evaluated for their scripts. I have no doubt crazykat would have taken illegal drugs into the place, passing them off as Doctor's scripts, which is why such steps are taken in the first place.
: otherwise, DUmpmonkiez lie. All the time. Everytime.
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]The Hard Left's Intolerance and Fear of Christianity[/b] (http://www.crosswalk.com/1303543/[b)
James L. Lambert , Agape PressSaturday, December 25, 2004
So I ask what I think is a good question: Why do so many liberals fear Christianity? I think it's because they are afraid of moral authority.
In the "progressive" world of Darwinism, evolution, absence of moral absolutes, and no relationship with a personal God, we become our own gods. If we do not believe in moral absolutes, we cannot be judged or restricted in our behavior and are free to do what we will -- "as long as we don't hurt anybody." (Although, then, who judges whether we hurt someone by our behavior?)
The Judeo-Christian belief system teaches that there is good and evil in the world, and that we have to choose each day which to follow. It teaches that even if no one is watching, an omniscient God is, and therefore is continually watching and, yes, judging our actions. The Judeo-Christian belief system teaches the concept of rewarding good and punishing evil.
All this is really too bad, as the hard left misses out on the redeeming and saving power God has for all of us. While they might ridicule the Bible as "a book of myths and fables" -- a descriptor offered by Lynn Harper, television talk-show host and regular CNN guest -- it seems that the left is terrified of the transforming power the Bible has on people.
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No doubt what crazykat was told is that all meds go to the staff and the patient is re-evaluated for their scripts. I have no doubt crazykat would have taken illegal drugs into the place, passing them off as Doctor's scripts, which is why such steps are taken in the first place.
: otherwise, DUmpmonkiez lie. All the time. Everytime.
Seeing as how what popped up in a search for hope house md is a drug/alcohol treatment center, not some sort of mentally ill depository (didn't those go out with Bedlam?), what you just described seems much closer to the truth.
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Link to proof please.
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BTW, I'm not dissing the woman the OP is talking about, but a Schizophrenic woman NOT ON HER MEDS supposedly, they told the OP all these horrible things about this organization, a Schizophrenic?
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Link to proof please.
Don't know if you're talking to me or not but this is the Hope House (http://www.hopehousemd.org/) that came up on the first page or two of google - whatever I looked at.
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Don't know if you're talking to me or not but this is the Hope House (http://www.hopehousemd.org/) that came up on the first page or two of google - whatever I looked at.
LOL, I was asking the OP for proof of her assertions.
BTW, it looks like the Hope Houses I googled pretty much treat people with alcohol and drug addictions, not aware if they treat people with mental illnesses like Schizophrenia.
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She's probably got those too. I doubt she got the way she is by staying sober.
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She's probably got those too. I doubt she got the way she is by staying sober.
I doubt that Schizophrenics would be treated at a place like Hope House, they would most likely be treated initially at a Mental Hospital then as an outpatient through that Hospital or a Therapist.
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The irony here is that the DU Poster sounds like a raving maniac who definitely needs her meds adjusted. What a hateful, nutty, irrational screed. There's a place called Hope House were people voluntarily go to get some sort of help; but she doesn't like what she thinks the help involves. She doesn't even KNOW. And she will being to spit and scratch and hiss, she's like demonic.
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LOL, I was asking the OP for proof of her assertions.
BTW, it looks like the Hope Houses I googled pretty much treat people with alcohol and drug addictions, not aware if they treat people with mental illnesses like Schizophrenia.
Right on no worries. Chances are they won't actively treat mental disorders, only the addiction, the going theory being that mental problems can only be addressed once addiction is under control and the patient has been sober for a certain amount of time. This can get really challenging since a number of mental patients do self-medicate.
Thanks for setting me straight. :cheersmate:
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I was in Assemblies of God,and these people are dangerous and can't think clearly.They ****ed up my mind! After I got out of that cult I was a mess,emotionally.
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Yeah, now he/she/it is the poster cat for mental hygeine. :whatever:
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In today's edition of our local "alternative weekly," in the "I Saw U' section, is this little gem:
Patrica. I first met you on September 22, 2010. I arrived at Hope House broken, beat up and lost. Through your love and support I grew into the person I always wanted to me (sic). This road of life has led me to some strange places, but I wanted you to know that no matter where the road leads, You will always be on my mind and in my heart. I know your job is thankless but without people like you, people like me wouldn't stand a chance. Miss You. G.B.
Nothing about "fundamentalist Christian houseing" or anything like that. It's from a person who is obviously grateful for their help, and their efforts.
Here's what the subway feline's screed is, translated into something we (and cats) can understand:
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rawr! (Bats air with paw) HHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!
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Also some Hope Houses offer services to seniors such as shopping, laundry and light housekeeping at a deeply discounted rate, it depends on what the person can afford, and they also have programs to help AIDS patients. These Religious run organizations are really horrible huh?
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Thanks to all for the clarification. Hope House is not for schizophrenics, who then get their medication confiscated. It's for drug and alcohol addiction. Big difference, DUmmies. As you constantly bleat, "consider the source."
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Subway cat picked a good time not to be a dog.
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I dunno what the subway cat has against the Assemblies of God.
When I was checking some statistics some months ago, I learned that recently the Assemblies of God have been the fastest-growing denomination in America and Canada. They're still small, but they've been taking off like a rocket.
Now, I have my own denomination that isn't the Assemblies of God, but I must say, more power to them.
They must be doing something right.
I attended an Assembly of God service maybe, oh, about five months ago; a social obligation.
The place was not small, and it was packed. A little over half the adults there seemed to be under forty, and there were tons of kids.
Kudos to the Assemblies of God; obviously they have a message that resonates.
So probably the subway cat should try to figure out what's wrong with her, rather than what's wrong with them. It might clear up a great deal of confusion in her mind.
When I lived in OKC as a kid, there was one Assembly of God church that would do weekly activities for kids. Younger kids would have Super Saturday and older kids would have Youth Quake on Monday evenings. Basically, they'd have games, scripture reading, puppet shows, quizzes based on scriptural knowledge and candy (truckloads of that. IIRC, the pastor's wife worked for M&M/Mars). For two straight summers, I went to their summer camp at Turner Falls. Those were great times. The culture is certainly different than that which I've experienced in any Lutheran church, but they are NOT a cult.
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There are TWO major flaws with Underground Panther rant.
1) all this outrage comes from a 2nd hand source. UGP has not been there herself to verify the story.
2) the source is not a news source or an unimpeachable character witness, the source is a fellow mental patient, a crazy person, a looney tune. Hardly the source I would accept before I pick up my torch and pitch fork.
Of course, UGP (crazy as a loon, herself) needs provide no proof. DU can always be counted on to engage in their favorite bigotry, Christian/Jewish hate speech.
The more I peruse the DUmp, the more I realize that all these posters would have been institutional patients in a mental asylum 50 or 60 years ago. The world was a kinder place back then.
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That place is in my town! I'll keep an eye out for a she-male who thinks it's a cat. :rotf:
UhOh -- Once again - out of the 12 of us who post here, we have at least one member who is a stones throw away from a primitive. Imagine the odds !
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UhOh -- Once again - out of the 12 of us who post here, we have at least one member who is a stones throw away from a primitive. Imagine the odds !
Two, actually. The Catbox Primitive is also in my general vicinity. ;)
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For two straight summers, I went to their summer camp at Turner Falls. Those were great times. The culture is certainly different than that which I've experienced in any Lutheran church, but they are NOT a cult.
Yeah, that.
It's quite different from my own traditional Roman Catholicism, but at the same time, these are honest people, hard-working people, sober people, unselfish people, generous people, forgiving people, and so I have no problems wishing them well, wishing them to flourish and prosper.
The primitives should be so lucky, finding a similar joy in their own fetid sordid existences.
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People, allow me, Assembly of Christ, United Pentecostal, Church of God, Church of Christ, if I'm not mistaken, are all just different variants of Pentecostal. I grew up a Pentecostal and became a Baptist, then non-denominational. Do I look like a f'n cult member? They talk in tongues, due to them getting the holy ghost in them. No, I can't explain it, not gonna try, and really not my f'n place to question it. It's not like the whole sermon is in tongue, just an episode or two of someone in the congregation getting up and doing it. These people aren't cult members. As for the differences, one main thing I found is Church of God women can wear makeup and cut their hair. United Pentecostal, no. They're not freaks. They worship the same god you do. ...and my mother has been a nurse for over 30 years and was raised Pentecostal. It's nothing but a different brand of Christianity. A "cult" is one that deviates deities. For example, Scientology.
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People, allow me, Assembly of Christ, United Pentecostal, Church of God, Church of Christ, if I'm not mistaken, are all just different variants of Pentecostal. I grew up a Pentecostal and became a Baptist, then non-denominational. Do I look like a f'n cult member? They talk in tongues, due to them getting the holy ghost in them. No, I can't explain it, not gonna try, and really not my f'n place to question it. It's not like the whole sermon is in tongue, just an episode or two of someone in the congregation getting up and doing it. These people aren't cult members. As for the differences, one main thing I found is Church of God women can wear makeup and cut their hair. United Pentecostal, no. They're not freaks. They worship the same god you do. ...and my mother has been a nurse for over 30 years and was raised Pentecostal. It's nothing but a different brand of Christianity. A "cult" is one that deviates deities. For example, Scientology.
The main way to tell a cult from a non cult is, in the cult they obey unquestioningly.
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Okay,
1. I was under the impression that checking into religious- based centers such as that one was completely voluntary. Nobody's being forced to go there, nor are they forced to stay there.
2. Considering that it is a Christian- based center, it kind of goes without saying that attending worship services would be part of the program. I don't see how that could be a news- flash to anyone, even psychos like the subway kitty.
3. The part where she says the people running the center tell their patients to just ignore hallucinations reeks heavily of B.S.. No proper Christian housing center specializing in treating the mentally ill would have employees who would tell patients that.
4. For that matter, the part about them confiscating doctor- prescribed medications also reeks heavily of B.S.. I am a devout Christian, an aspiring minister in fact, I have been around Christians of all different denominations and beliefs for years, and nobody, least of all myself, would hold that confiscating doctor- prescribed medications fits with the tenets of our faith or the proper ways of helping ill people. We believe that God can indeed perform miracles, but that doesn't mean we don't recognize the importance of prescribed medications.
5. The entire account is tainted by the fact that subway kitty is far from a reliable source, even by DUmmy standards. Between her own quite obvious severe mental illness and her immense hatred of all things even remotely Christian in nature (Both of which she manifests on a regular basis in her posts), she cannot be trusted to give an honest, factual, unbiased account of such matters. She in fact exposes her own prejudice through how she constantly switches from ranting about the center to spewing venom towards Christians in general, such as toward the end of her post when she says that Christians need to "Get out of the business of 'helping' people, period."
So probably the subway cat should try to figure out what's wrong with her, rather than what's wrong with them. It might clear up a great deal of confusion in her mind.
DINGDINGDINGDINGDING! We have a winner!
subway cat's main problem has always been that she is incapable of recognizing that any of her countless problems are her own fault. It's the same reason why she bounces from therapist to therapist so frequently, as she wails about in her posts: She sticks by them as long as they just listen to her and write her prescriptions, but the very instant that any of them suggest that changes in her lifestyle might improve her mental health, she drops them and goes to someone else. It's a mixture of hedonism and self- righteousness that has further accelerated her descent into madness.
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Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
Well that is #2 in the 12 steps. Something that I would expect to see in any addiction treatment center.
What the bloated subway road kill does not mention is that inpatient treatment centers do have doctors on staff who are able to prescribe needed medications for mental health issues. They take pills from new patients because anyone can bring in a pill bottle and claim that it is needed medication. Just because it says that it is say welbutrin does not mean that the patient has not switched out the pills or altered them in some way. So they take the medication that the patient has brought in and throw it away. Then they distribute needed medications from the center's own stock. Honestly it is not that they want to with hold needed medications it is just that you never trust a drug addict to not try to sneak something in.
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Step # 2 is almost impossible for libs.