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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on April 16, 2012, 08:20:02 PM
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roamer65
The "I got screwed by the Republiscum's failure to renew the Making Work Pay tax credit" thread.
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Willard Romney only pays 14% taxes and we can't even get a lousy few hundred dollar tax credit.
It's galling to say the least.
Check in here if you got screwed as well.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002572259
What about the extra $40 on every paycheck that 0bama was bragging about?
Damn they are greedy bastards wanting tax cuts for themselves. :-)
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Apparently, according to DUmmies, it doesn't pay to work period.
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Apparently, according to DUmmies, it doesn't pay to work period.
Can you blame them? When you work you have dozens of DUmpmomkeys demanding that they get a cut of your paycheck. :-)
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Dear roamer,
What percentage of your income did you pay in federal tax? Now I'm gonna take a wild ****ing guess here, and say that more like than no, you fall into the 49.5 percent. You remember that number, don't you?
Well, if you don't, that's the percentage of Americans who have either zero or a NEGATIVE tax burden. That means you get back MORE than what you pay in.
As for me? Well, as stated elsewhere, I, being single of marital status and limited in my deductions save my home, was in the 28 percent tax bracket for income, and paid (after my "refund") just over 22 percent of my total income in federal taxes. So nicely put, for a "upper middle class" job where I busted my balls an average (average, mind you) of 55 hours a week, I put more into the system than what you likely earned all year.
And for my efforts, I get to hear you ****sticks bitch and whine with your ****ing worthless hands out about how you don't "get enough" instead of doing like some here and EARNING it. I'd rather help those in true need than give one ****ing dime to someone like you who EXPECTS me to support you simply because it's not worth your effort to get off your dead ass and suck a little shit once in a while to get a better job with better pay, better benefits, better working conditions.
Trust me, scooter--you don't want to know how I got to where I am today, and I'm pretty ****ing sure you wouldn't want to follow in my footsteps, even if you did have the balls to do so, you emasculated little scrawny ****stick of wasted sperm and egg.
My sympathies (and my charity) go to those who cannot do for themselves, not to those who WILL NOT do for themselves. You want $400? Go stand on a streetcorner and suck some dick. At least you'll have earned it that way.
And people wonder why I hate liberal crybaby sumbitches.
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How do DUmmies report pot and Cheetos to the IRS?
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I kinda like the idea of a flat tax, DUmbass! Then even you leaches would have to contribute something! Oh and the "rich" would still be payin' the lion's share! Stick that one up yer ass!
Dear roamer,
What percentage of your income did you pay in federal tax? Now I'm gonna take a wild ****ing guess here, and say that more like than no, you fall into the 49.5 percent. You remember that number, don't you?
Well, if you don't, that's the percentage of Americans who have either zero or a NEGATIVE tax burden. That means you get back MORE than what you pay in.
As for me? Well, as stated elsewhere, I, being single of marital status and limited in my deductions save my home, was in the 28 percent tax bracket for income, and paid (after my "refund") just over 22 percent of my total income in federal taxes. So nicely put, for a "upper middle class" job where I busted my balls an average (average, mind you) of 55 hours a week, I put more into the system than what you likely earned all year.
And for my efforts, I get to hear you ****sticks bitch and whine with your ****ing worthless hands out about how you don't "get enough" instead of doing like some here and EARNING it. I'd rather help those in true need than give one ****ing dime to someone like you who EXPECTS me to support you simply because it's not worth your effort to get off your dead ass and suck a little shit once in a while to get a better job with better pay, better benefits, better working conditions.
Trust me, scooter--you don't want to know how I got to where I am today, and I'm pretty ****ing sure you wouldn't want to follow in my footsteps, even if you did have the balls to do so, you emasculated little scrawny ****stick of wasted sperm and egg.
My sympathies (and my charity) go to those who cannot do for themselves, not to those who WILL NOT do for themselves. You want $400? Go stand on a streetcorner and suck some dick. At least you'll have earned it that way.
And people wonder why I hate liberal crybaby sumbitches.
Even after deductions, me being disabled and "Toots" bein' the breadwinner nowadays, we still pay 12 ****in' percent! And we make less than 50 thou, a lot less!
So **** you and your "Making Work Pay" BullShit!
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How do DUmmies report pot and Cheetos to the IRS?
Assets.
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Apparently, according to DUmmies, it doesn't pay to work period.
As you can see in my previous post, it's not a good idea to get me started. I've heard so much from people, seen so much of it over the past few years, that I just want to puke. I've actually run into folks who moved from NH to Maine for the "bennies", and then quit jobs or don't work OT, or work at shitty wage scale so their income is below the threshold for free shit. Free shit for which I can't dare ask, but for which I pay because I have this little thing called pride in myself.
Thankfully you have instilled that positive work ethic in your children, and see it coming to fruition. Hope is not lost, but some days I really wonder.
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As you can see in my previous post, it's not a good idea to get me started. I've heard so much from people, seen so much of it over the past few years, that I just want to puke. I've actually run into folks who moved from NH to Maine for the "bennies", and then quit jobs or don't work OT, or work at shitty wage scale so their income is below the threshold for free shit. Free shit for which I can't dare ask, but for which I pay because I have this little thing called pride in myself.
Thankfully you have instilled that positive work ethic in your children, and see it coming to fruition. Hope is not lost, but some days I really wonder.
Don't let it beat you down. Your legacy continues to build, theirs is but a wisp.
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Umm, how many Republicans are in the Senate? how many Democrats? it seems like the Democrats voted against this.
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I kinda like the idea of a flat tax, DUmbass! Then even you leaches would have to contribute something! Oh and the "rich" would still be payin' the lion's share! Stick that one up yer ass!
I am a big fan of a flat tax. Simplify the tax code make it reasonable so it is easier to just pay your taxes instead of trying to find ways to not pay them.
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Don't let it beat you down. Your legacy continues to build, theirs is but a wisp.
You hope!
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Umm, how many Republicans are in the Senate? how many Democrats? it seems like the Democrats voted against this.
They replaced it with that reduction in social security tax scheme. And it was 0bama's bright idea, in fact he had all those people tweet how that $40 was so important in order to extend it.
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I am a big fan of a flat tax. Simplify the tax code make it reasonable so it is easier to just pay your taxes instead of trying to find ways to not pay them.
When you say "your" taxes, they aren't mine. They are what the IRS says are mine justly or unjustly. Mostly unjustly.
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I am a big fan of a flat tax. Simplify the tax code make it reasonable so it is easier to just pay your taxes instead of trying to find ways to not pay them.
About flat tax, is it a percentage of what I make, or a flat dollar amount??
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Don't let it beat you down. Your legacy continues to build, theirs is but a wisp.
Nothing is so well calculated to produce a death-like torpor in the country as an extended system of taxation and a great national debt.
That was written over 200 years ago. Even Plato spoke of the inequality in taxation.
And today, it has become this:
It is getting harder and harder to support the government in the style to which it has become accustomed.
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About flat tax, is it a percentage of what I make, or a flat dollar amount??
Flat as in the same percentage for everyone, say somewhere between 10 to 14%.
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Flat as in the same percentage for everyone, say somewhere between 10 to 14%.
I'll go one step further, and say that the TOTAL tax (Federal, SS/Medicare) should be 15-18 percent across the board (probably closer to 18). This does two things--encourages investment at middle and upper-income levels, while taking away the argument of regressive taxation in SS/Medicare, assuming that you don't eliminate or privatize SS. From there, end virtually all deductions. No more mortgage interest deduction. No more child deductions, no more education deductions, union due deductions, charitable contribution deductions.
It also encouages lower income folks to shun the SS system and encourage them to invest for their own retirement.
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About flat tax, is it a percentage of what I make, or a flat dollar amount??
A percentage and in my dream world it would be 10% across the board, if 10% is good enough for the church it should be adequate for the government. :-)
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Thank you gentlemen for your information. I have one more question. Welfare recipients who don't pay into the system, how much if any, do they get in ss benefits. I get a yearly statement from ss, saying at age 62, your ss income will be a certain amount, at 65 a certain amount .
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A percentage and in my dream world it would be 10% across the board, if 10% is good enough for the church it should be adequate for the government. :-)
Okay, I'll go a little farther and say 15 percent, but for EVERYTHING. Death tax, corporate tax, capital gains tax, income (see above.)
And if the government can't live on that? **** 'em. About the only way I'd seriously consider above 15 percent is limiting SPENDING to that amount, and anything above that goes directly to pay off the debt (not interest on the debt, which should be paid off as a normal function of the budget.)
Once the debt is paid, any realized savings in debt interest payments should be returned to the people in the form of lower tax rates.
But the first thing that MUST be done is to get the government out of medical/social/educational funding NOW. If the states can't do it, tough shit. The feds shouldn't be stepping in to fund it either. "Free" education shouldn't cost $100K in loan debt. "Free" healthcare shouldn't result in 50 percent taxation rates like Canada and Britian. Human resources spending in the federal budget now accounts for 2/3 of the federal budget--WHY?
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Thank you gentlemen for your information. I have one more question. Welfare recipients who don't pay into the system, how much if any, do they get in ss benefits. I get a yearly statement from ss, saying at age 62, your ss income will be a certain amount, at 65 a certain amount .
Theoretically if they don't pay in and with no extenuating circumstances, they don't collect.
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How do DUmmies report pot and Cheetos to the IRS?
Depends on whether he/she/it was selling or buying.
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Thank you gentlemen for your information. I have one more question. Welfare recipients who don't pay into the system, how much if any, do they get in ss benefits. I get a yearly statement from ss, saying at age 62, your ss income will be a certain amount, at 65 a certain amount .
I don't believe people who never worked a day in their life get SS. I believe you have to pay into it to collect from it.
Okay, I'll go a little farther and say 15 percent, but for EVERYTHING. Death tax, corporate tax, capital gains tax, income (see above.)
And if the government can't live on that? **** 'em. About the only way I'd seriously consider above 15 percent is limiting SPENDING to that amount, and anything above that goes directly to pay off the debt (not interest on the debt, which should be paid off as a normal function of the budget.)
Once the debt is paid, any realized savings in debt interest payments should be returned to the people in the form of lower tax rates.
But the first thing that MUST be done is to get the government out of medical/social/educational funding NOW. If the states can't do it, tough shit. The feds shouldn't be stepping in to fund it either. "Free" education shouldn't cost $100K in loan debt. "Free" healthcare shouldn't result in 50 percent taxation rates like Canada and Britian. Human resources spending in the federal budget now accounts for 2/3 of the federal budget--WHY?
I could live with 15%, but like I said in my dream world it would be 10.
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I don't believe people who never worked a day in their life get SS. I believe you have to pay into it to collect from it.
I could live with 15%, but like I said in my dream world it would be 10.
The problem is, that in peacetime, the size of government in the US has typically been around 18 percent of GDP, but under Obumbles has balooned to nearly 25 percent of GDP--this is not by accident. Obama and his sycophants in the Democrat party have always wanted to increase the scope and dependency on government by first balooning the size of government, then raising taxes as a way to pay for said expansion.
Now to take the size of government and cut it immediately to 10 percent would be nice, but not practical. Hell, it's going to take a while just to get back to 18 percent, let alone 15.
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The problem is, that in peacetime, the size of government in the US has typically been around 18 percent of GDP, but under Obumbles has balooned to nearly 25 percent of GDP--this is not by accident. Obama and his sycophants in the Democrat party have always wanted to increase the scope and dependency on government by first balooning the size of government, then raising taxes as a way to pay for said expansion.
Now to take the size of government and cut it immediately to 10 percent would be nice, but not practical. Hell, it's going to take a while just to get back to 18 percent, let alone 15.
It's all dreaming anyway. There is no way we will ever get a flat tax. Politicians on both sides like having the tax code so complicated that only us normal folks actually have to pay taxes.
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Depends on whether he/she/it was selling or buying.
Still assets, either way.
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Theoretically if they don't pay in and with no extenuating circumstances, they don't collect.
Right there lies the discrepancy! Perhaps a flat sales tax would be more appropriate. Because welfare recipients would still pay nothing. Right now, they pay nothing and get an earned income credit that pays them thousands!!! Thousands that we pay for on top of their welfare benefit!
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About flat tax, is it a percentage of what I make, or a flat dollar amount??
I believe the flat dollar amount option would most likely be ruled a Constitutionally-prohibited "Poll tax."
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DUchebag Making Work Pay tax credit=the cut in FICA to you in 2011. Same exact amount just paid out over 52 weeks.
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I'll go one step further, and say that the TOTAL tax (Federal, SS/Medicare) should be 15-18 percent across the board (probably closer to 18). This does two things--encourages investment at middle and upper-income levels, while taking away the argument of regressive taxation in SS/Medicare, assuming that you don't eliminate or privatize SS. From there, end virtually all deductions. No more mortgage interest deduction. No more child deductions, no more education deductions, union due deductions, charitable contribution deductions.
It also encouages lower income folks to shun the SS system and encourage them to invest for their own retirement.
You realize self employed pay over 15% just in Soc Sec and medicare. although I could get used to paying 2 - 3 % fed taxes :whistling:
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Right there lies the discrepancy! Perhaps a flat sales tax would be more appropriate. Because welfare recipients would still pay nothing. Right now, they pay nothing and get an earned income credit that pays them thousands!!! Thousands that we pay for on top of their welfare benefit!
Sir that is patently false. Perhaps since as you stated earlier being on disability you know that in a very restrictive scenario certain disability payments still allow one to qualify for eitc, however welfare recipients do not have 'earned income' to qualify.
Www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=176508,00.html
From what I can tell part of the intention was to bite into about the only tax low wage owners do pay ie FICA
Sorry I can't contribute more to the discussion. Phone bound at the moment but I think as conservatives, our priority is to truth and this peeked my interest. Let dummies be the arbiters of hysterics and misinformation because they gladly run with that banner day in and day out.
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You realize self employed pay over 15% just in Soc Sec and medicare. although I could get used to paying 2 - 3 % fed taxes :whistling:
Obviously a rough idea, but my point is still valid. Besides, I believe the "employer match" for self-employed needs to go away. But if you make over $110K you federal rate jumps from that 2-3% up to 15.
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I know people on welfare who work for two weeks to a month out of the year with a temp agency just so they can file a tax return and get an earned income credit for their 8 kids.
as for taxes, I am a flat tax fan as well. I say a total rate of 30% across the board. 10 or 15% would be cool, but you all know that will never happen.
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Dear roamer,
What percentage of your income did you pay in federal tax? Now I'm gonna take a wild ****ing guess here, and say that more like than no, you fall into the 49.5 percent. You remember that number, don't you?
Well, if you don't, that's the percentage of Americans who have either zero or a NEGATIVE tax burden. That means you get back MORE than what you pay in.
As for me? Well, as stated elsewhere, I, being single of marital status and limited in my deductions save my home, was in the 28 percent tax bracket for income, and paid (after my "refund") just over 22 percent of my total income in federal taxes. So nicely put, for a "upper middle class" job where I busted my balls an average (average, mind you) of 55 hours a week, I put more into the system than what you likely earned all year.
And for my efforts, I get to hear you ****sticks bitch and whine with your ****ing worthless hands out about how you don't "get enough" instead of doing like some here and EARNING it. I'd rather help those in true need than give one ****ing dime to someone like you who EXPECTS me to support you simply because it's not worth your effort to get off your dead ass and suck a little shit once in a while to get a better job with better pay, better benefits, better working conditions.
Trust me, scooter--you don't want to know how I got to where I am today, and I'm pretty ****ing sure you wouldn't want to follow in my footsteps, even if you did have the balls to do so, you emasculated little scrawny ****stick of wasted sperm and egg.
My sympathies (and my charity) go to those who cannot do for themselves, not to those who WILL NOT do for themselves. You want $400? Go stand on a streetcorner and suck some dick. At least you'll have earned it that way.
And people wonder why I hate liberal crybaby sumbitches.
I feel so bad for you. Must be infuriating.
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roamer65
The "I got screwed by the Republiscum's failure to renew the Making Work Pay tax credit" thread.
Negotiated and approved by your democrat controlled Senate, signed into law by your democrat President.
How does it feel to get ****ed by your own, DUmmie?
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Politically , I think a consumption tax would be easier to get passed into law. Also a better argument for a more equitable tax on all income levels.
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You could get a consumption tax passed into law tomorrow. Problem is getting it to replace all the other taxes and repeal the 16th amendment.
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The thing with the consumption tax is that your income level will determin how much you pay. So there will still be people who do not pay it; ie, welfare bums. Unless you guys are talking about a different tax than I am. Fair tax Act is what I am talking about.
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Sir that is patently false. Perhaps since as you stated earlier being on disability you know that in a very restrictive scenario certain disability payments still allow one to qualify for eitc, however welfare recipients do not have 'earned income' to qualify.
Www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=176508,00.html
From what I can tell part of the intention was to bite into about the only tax low wage owners do pay ie FICA
Sorry I can't contribute more to the discussion. Phone bound at the moment but I think as conservatives, our priority is to truth and this peeked my interest. Let dummies be the arbiters of hysterics and misinformation because they gladly run with that banner day in and day out.
Uh, Jetty, I said I was disabled. I have never collected a dime of disability! I may have to soon, but as of now, I am trying not to. Otherwise I would be a hypocrite when I complain about others. Especially those that are milking the system! I try to take care of myself, and my family understands and helps when they can. You know, the same as America did before the socialist "New Deal"!
And oh yes welfare recipients can and do collect EIC! All they have to do is work a very small percentage of the year or work part time. If they have dependent children they qualify. It's as simple as that!
If you file a tax return and have dependent children, you are eligible for EIC!!
Besides, don't you consider welfare an income?
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I am a big fan of a flat tax. Simplify the tax code make it reasonable so it is easier to just pay your taxes instead of trying to find ways to not pay them.
A flat tax would go a long way to helping. It would also make it certain that everyone has 'skin in the game', which would probably mean a lot of poor yet sensible people would start voting conservative.
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A flat tax would go a long way to helping. It would also make it certain that everyone has 'skin in the game', which would probably mean a lot of poor yet sensible people would start voting conservative.
Miskie, do you think that the current proponents of class warfare don't know this already?
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A flat tax would go a long way to helping. It would also make it certain that everyone has 'skin in the game', which would probably mean a lot of poor yet sensible people would start voting conservative.
It would be a real pity if those 48%'s had to chip in, wouldn't it?
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Who will the DUmmies blame for higher taxes when the DemonRats let the Bush Tax Cuts expire at the end of the year? That will happen if Obama wins.
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Who will the DUmmies blame for higher taxes when the DemonRats let the Bush Tax Cuts expire at the end of the year? That will happen if Obama wins.
Republicans of course and probably Bush as well.
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Ya know, after a little thought, isn't bein' screwed considered recreation to most of the male primitives?
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Ya know, after a little thought, isn't bein' screwed considered recreation to most of the male primitives?
If it's a conservative getting screwed with lib spectators, then...yes.
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If it's a conservative getting screwed with lib spectators, then...yes.
What happens to us who are old enough to get SS or disability but do not apply as the income may put them in a higher tax bracket?????
Is there a law that says a person old enough for SS has to take medicare if on a spouses health insurance ???
Is there a law that says a person HAS to claim SS at a certain age when eligible but needs the tax benefits if they do not apply ???
Use to be every year we would get a statement from the government about our rights and earnings in the mail. A
statement of all years worked and years we did not work and the amount of money we paid in. The potential pay outs for the disabled and the pay out for the age one applied. Death benefits and pay out to dependens of the deceased.
I have not seen one of these statements in a couple of years. WHY NOT, whats with the no information on the benefits we have payed into for 30 years ??? Sort of like if your 401K stopped sending you quarterly statements .
We need the paperwork from the government to be able to bring to the SS office and not have to depend on some Temp worker or lazy full time worker to decide on our benefits. We need the paper work. back the rules of the road, the ability to know if it is better to put our funds in government bonds or a 401k plan that is a win or loose proposition. Governmet bonds are a sure thing, 40k's are a gamble at best.
Thing at worries me is my Husbands 401K is making way to much money , I can see a steady slow climb but in this election year I fear after the election he may loose all. Too much gain is to be questioned.
I told Hubby to wait until the next quarter if the gains are still over what is reasonable to Pull it out, pay the tax and invest in Government bonds. He thinks I am NUTS, but I feel that to loose the money the government has to collapes completely. 401k is a stock market gamble, but as long as we have America our bonds are safe.
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What happens to us who are old enough to get SS or disability but do not apply as the income may put them in a higher tax bracket?????
Under the FairTax, nothing. It doesn't address social programs. You pay the same tax rate as everyone else but the prebate will cover you up to the poverty level, 150 bucks per person. You get that every month to cover taxes on goods needed just to survive.
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Miskie, do you think that the current proponents of class warfare don't know this already?
Of course they do - Once everyone has to 'pay to play' , everyone becomes interested in where the money is coming from & going to - Democrats like to keep their masses fat, drunk, & stupid. It keeps the Hoi polloi satisfied, which keeps them in line. All of them, regardless of sex, color or creed.
The last thing Dems want are an engaged, informed public. They just want their people to vote based on emotions and greed.
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The thing with the consumption tax is that your income level will determin how much you pay. So there will still be people who do not pay it; ie, welfare bums. Unless you guys are talking about a different tax than I am. Fair tax Act is what I am talking about.
Well yes some on the lower wrung of the economic ladder would still pay little or nothing because of exemptions for basic necessities which everyone gets. From that point on it becomes a pay to play world. New items only.
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Well yes some on the lower wrung of the economic ladder would still pay little or nothing because of exemptions for basic necessities which everyone gets. From that point on it becomes a pay to play world. New items only.
Yeah, I want everyone to pay. No exceptions for anyone.
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Yeah, I want everyone to pay. No exceptions for anyone.
Everyone should want to pay. If they did, we would have a lot less problems. And by pay, I mean only for a bare bones necessary government.
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Everyone should want to pay. If they did, we would have a lot less problems. And by pay, I mean only for a bare bones necessary government.
I agree. The problem is that too many people don't want to pay, and try to do anything to get out of paying.
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I agree. The problem is that too many people don't want to pay, and try to do anything to get out of paying.
An even bigger problem is that there are so called leaders that have for generations now told them they don't have to pay, and on top of that are entitled to payouts.
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An even bigger problem is that there are so called leaders that have for generations now told them they don't have to pay, and on top of that are entitled to payouts.
Yes, that is true also. That is a huge problem.
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I pay good money to minimize by tax burden,does that make me evil.
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Okay, you moron, what happened is 0bummer, trying to not be Bush, instead of giving you a tax break decided to lower what they take out of your paycheck via withholding so you would have an extra $5-$25 to spend in the economy each paycheck. But his minions, Pelosi and Reid failed to alter the tax tables so in order to not shock you sleeping masses who never pay attention to why things are they way they are, they came up with this tax credit to balance out their idiocy.
Now, you could take a look at the mess of a tax system we have and demand change that benefits everyone, or you can stay mired in your envy and self-pity and rage against things you refuse to even attempt to understand.
Your choice, Bozo.