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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: formerlurker on April 16, 2012, 06:09:21 AM
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RB TexLa
For our isolationistic nationalism loving DU'ers who want the world to be a bigger place [View all]
where people can only do business with people within walking distance.
Do you people realize that international borders are artificial? And they can be completely taken away by pen and paper?
nadinbrzezinski
5. Hmm you should look at for example, the GERMAN MARKET which is quite protected thank you very much.
There are others who are doing quite well thank you, and do have protectionist policies for what are considered national security industries in place. We used to, then came Ronnie Raygun Reagan.
nadinbrzezinski (104,058 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. They do not call it that way
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but it is protected in certain industries very well, thank you very much. They may be EU members, but for example the Auto industry, foreign product faces a certain shall we say taxation at the border.
There are a few other industries like that, biotech, and electronics.
It also helps that the Union sits at the board of directors... so exporting jobs is hardly easy.
IMO they found quite frankly the sweet spot between open markets and closed borders... Their attitude is we do some of it, but we also open our borders to things we frankly do not produce. Since Unions sit at oh the board of BMW it is not just profit that drives this. Did I mention this was one of OUR impositions after that nasty heroic good war?
nadinbrzezinski
10. Because it might give Americans ideas
and a lot of them were imposed by us after WW II. Hell, single payor was kind of, YOU WILL DO IT.
Yup the Second Bill of Rights was imposed, just NOT on the United States.
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=567303
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http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=567303
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Thank Heavens for Nads, the German Market has been bugging me into many sleepless nights. Now another great mystery has been explained and I can stop worrying about it.
Now I stay awake wondering who Obama is getting sex from, perhaps Nads has the inside scoop on that one.
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Tell Nadin that BMW has escaped and has a plant in Spartanberg/gafney S.C..
...and every black woman wants a BMW....Black Man Working.
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nadinbrzezinski (104,058 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
It also helps that the Union sits at the board of directors... so exporting jobs is hardly easy.
Since Unions sit at oh the board of BMW it is not just profit that drives this.
The nutcase sure does know the German market. This is why BMW hasn't exported any jobs to the United States..oh, wait..well, yes they have.
But with the union on the board, they only build plants where there are strong unions..oh, wait..well, South Carolina, non-union.
Based on the up close and personal photos, I believe nadin represents the Lollipop Guild in Oz.
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The nutcase sure does know the German market. This is why BMW hasn't exported any jobs to the United States..oh, wait..well, yes they have.
But with the union on the board, they only build plants where there are strong unions..oh, wait..well, South Carolina, non-union.
Based on the up close and personal photos, I believe nadin represents the Lollipop Guild in Oz.
I liked her better when she worked in a chocolate factory...
(https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQdVYb2XglqjqcpEz8DD4S9Ho6P6ehWwPb8fSRkafe0hvoqmWlu-Q)
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Once again, Nadin proves that she is a moron. Man what a retard.
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Germany is kicking ass because of not using labor. I saw the first factory that BMW fully automated in Munich 1989. It was amazing, it made body panels without any human hands involved. Rolls of sheet metal on one side, doors, trunks, hoods out the other. Want to know what kept the USA from embracing automation in the 60s and 70s? UNIONS. Unions killed the auto industry in those days, they just didn't know it until the late 90s.
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Want to know what kept the USA from embracing automation in the 60s and 70s? UNIONS. Unions killed the auto industry in those days, they just didn't know it until the late 90s.
Yeah with their greedy Cadillac benefit packages that practically bankrupt the industry.
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Yeah with their greedy Cadillac benefit packages that practically bankrupt the industry.
Only a union can secure lifetime benefits for groups of drunks and drug addicts who make products that fall apart in 5 years.
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Only a union can secure lifetime benefits for groups of drunks and drug addicts who make products that fall apart in 5 years.
Union skills of economic destruction are not limited to those areas. They are a bit more versatile than that.
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Union skills of economic destruction are not limited to those areas. They are a bit more versatile than that.
Oh, that's right - they're good for cracking skulls at Democratic events, too. My bad.
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Oh, that's right - they're good for cracking skulls at Democratic events, too. My bad.
Now you're getting into the spirit. Don't forget how union thugs like to crack heads at conservative/tea party events too !
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Now you're getting into the spirit. Don't forget how union thugs like to crack heads at conservative/tea party events too !
Sure wish they would try that shit at a Tea Party event where I participate. The likelihood of that happenin' is slim to none though, as Idaho is a Right to Work state! The only union around here is the worthless teachers union, and they know better than to make waves. We'll take more of their shit away!
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Only a union can secure lifetime benefits for groups of drunks and drug addicts who make products that fall apart in 5 years.
Before 0bama stole GM and gave it to the unions, the biggest cost of each car GM rolled of the line was current and RETIREE health care. It was more than the total material cost of the automobile. I don't know what it is now but cannot imagine that union HC went down.
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Before 0bama stole GM and gave it to the unions, the biggest cost of each car GM rolled of the line was current and RETIREE health care. It was more than the total material cost of the automobile. I don't know what it is now but cannot imagine that union HC went down.
Emerging from the bankruptcy, the retirees (hourly, as well as salaried/executive) are now on Medicare when they become eligible for it, rather than GM's health plan for life. The health plan itself for active employees was also drastically reduced.......co pays, etc. increased significantly. Currently, GMs benefit plans for existing workers are fairly similar to those offered in most large industries. For example: New hires are offered 401K plans rather than the pension system that was in place in earlier years........there have been significant changes.
The UAW fought it all the way through the process, even from their BoD positions, however the financial underwriters of the new stock issue demanded these union concessions or the shares would have mever been sold at the IPO. In a rather bizarre manner the free financial market prevailed, to an extent, even with "Government Motors". Not much was ever discussed in the press, but that's the way it ultimately turned out.
With the new wage structure that was put in place for new hires at the same time, GM has the potential to become very competitive regarding labor costs over the long haul.......whether they can maintain that is another isssue, however GM's main problem is its product offerings and market penetration, not its present cost structure.
In order to succeed in the long-term, they need to focus on product innovation......ditch big losers like the "Volt" (which was never intended to become a production vehicle anyway........it was a "concept car" built for the NY Auto Show)., and create exciting product offerings.
doc
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Emerging from the bankruptcy, the retirees (hourly, as well as salaried/executive) are now on Medicare when they become eligible for it, rather than GM's health plan for life. The health plan itself for active employees was also drastically reduced.......co pays, etc. increased significantly. Currently, GMs benefit plans for existing workers are fairly similar to those offered in most large industries. For example: New hires are offered 401K plans rather than the pension system that was in place in earlier years........there have been significant changes.
The UAW fought it all the way through the process, even from their BoD positions, however the financial underwriters of the new stock issue demanded these union concessions or the shares would have mever been sold at the IPO. In a rather bizarre manner the free financial market prevailed, to an extent, even with "Government Motors". Not much was ever discussed in the press, but that's the way it ultimately turned out.
With the new wage structure that was put in place for new hires at the same time, GM has the potential to become very competitive regarding labor costs over the long haul.......whether they can maintain that is another isssue, however GM's main problem is its product offerings and market penetration, not its present cost structure.
In order to succeed in the long-term, they need to focus on product innovation......ditch big losers like the "Volt" (which was never intended to become a production vehicle anyway........it was a "concept car" built for the NY Auto Show)., and create exciting product offerings.
doc
Thanks for the info. I was under the impression that the salaried employees lost most if not all of their retirement monies while the union got their pensions reinforced.
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For some reason every time I read one of nad's posts I'm reminded: It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
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For some reason every time I read one of nad's posts I'm reminded: It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
Reminds me of one from my childhood....
People are like buttons, always popping off at the wrong time.
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Reminds me of one from my childhood....
People are like buttons...
How about
...always waiting to be pushed ?
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Thanks for the info. I was under the impression that the salaried employees lost most if not all of their retirement monies while the union got their pensions reinforced.
Salaried/executive employees pensions were always "contributory", and held in trust completely outside of GM. Under the new plan, I don't know (I think they are 401K's now), but all former salaried pensions remain intact (for those already collecting them), and were always fully funded, never were a liability or even on GM's books at all.
It's true that salaried employees that are/were working during and immediately after the collapse lost their pensions (or at least part of them that were not vested), but they were transferred to the new system.
Hourly pensions for current retirees and older hires under the old system were transferred to the UAW, so they are no longer GM pensions (nor are they a liability on their books), but are completely owned and administered by the union. In the future if the UAW can't pay for the benefits.....it's their problem. New hourly employees have the option to contribute to a 401K or the UAW pension program (or both), but either way, other than profit-sharing contributions, they don't present a financial burden to the "New GM".
doc
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So, Nadin bought a dutch oven, huh?
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Doc, thanks for the info. I have been too mad to actually look up the actual terms and than discover that I was not mad enough.
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Nads reminds me of a slinky--not very useful, but brings a smile to my face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
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Nads reminds me of a slinky--not very useful, but brings a smile to my face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
That elicited quite a chuckle !