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The Bar => Sports => Topic started by: Rebel on April 03, 2012, 02:37:13 PM
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Remember, an SEC school gave us Bill Clinton, too. :tongue: :fuelfire:
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Remember, an SEC school gave us Bill Clinton, too. :tongue: :fuelfire:
What school? If you're referring to the swine from Arkiesaw, they weren't in the SEC yet.
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What school? If you're referring to the swine from Arkiesaw, they weren't in the SEC yet.
When did they join?
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When did they join?
1991, along with SC.
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But, they were in when Clinton claimed them in 1994, after they had won the basketball championship, so I count him as one of yours. :tongue:
And that's all that matters . . . !
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Missing quite a few titles there Reb. Auburn in football in 2010, LSU before them, etc. Hell Florida has more major sport natl championships since 2001 than the big 10.
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Missing quite a few titles there Reb. Auburn in football in 2010, LSU before them, etc. Hell Florida has more major sport natl championships since 2001 than the big 10.
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That's current title holders, Stew. Looks like we now have another. Bubba Watson, UGA grad, current Masters champion. :stirpot:
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I've got full-on wood waiting for Florida to roll into College Station on September 8th. I know that the first few years are going to be brutal, but I like our chances of eventually becoming competitive, being the only Texas school in the SEC. I know that most SEC folks didn't want us, but I think that you'll reconsider once those checks start rolling in from the expanded footprint and renegotiated TV contracts.
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Talk, talk, talk. You guys just watch Beilema, Montee Ball, and the Badger crew blow the roof off of the NCAA this coming season. :fuelfire:
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I've got full-on wood waiting for Florida to roll into College Station on September 8th. I know that the first few years are going to be brutal, but I like our chances of eventually becoming competitive, being the only Texas school in the SEC. I know that most SEC folks didn't want us, but I think that you'll reconsider once those checks start rolling in from the expanded footprint and renegotiated TV contracts.
Not true. It was a mixed bag on A&M with most people I know wanting A&M. It was Mizzou that no one wanted. They'd be a better fit for the B1G. Not really anything "southeastern" about Mizzou. T A&M was a perfect fit, but man, y'all gotta get some cheerleaders. FEMALE cheerleaders. :stirpot:
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T A&M was a perfect fit, but man, y'all gotta get some cheerleaders. FEMALE cheerleaders. :stirpot:
Screw THAT! I know that cheerleaders make for nice eye candy, but nobody really follows their lead. If you ever go to a game at Kyle Field, you'll see what I mean. The yells (not "cheers") are deafening.
So, which is your school? I'm assuming Ole Miss based on your user name. If so, y'all are in an even worse predicament than us.
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Screw THAT! I know that cheerleaders make for nice eye candy, but nobody really follows their lead. If you ever go to a game at Kyle Field, you'll see what I mean. The yells (not "cheers") are deafening.
So, which is your school? I'm assuming Ole Miss based on your user name. If so, y'all are in an even worse predicament than us.
I hope you Aggies come into the SEC with that type of arrogance. :stirpot:
Funny how all this shit talk ramped up the past 2 years. No one was saying anything 3 and 4 years ago when we won back to back cotton bowls (won one with Eli as well in, IIRC, 2003), and beat LSU in the first two officially named "Magnolia Bowls". BTW, those two cotton bowls? One was against Texas Tech in their 1-loss season and we were 8-4. We beat'em 47-34 because Nutt downed the ball in Tech's red zone with about a minute and a half to go. The next year we beat Oklahoma State who had 3 losses 21-7. We were 8-4 that year as well. Ole Miss isn't bottom of the pack. We're just the most inconsistent team in the conference. Nutt f'ed up ROYALLY getting that idiot Masoli from Oregon who had only one year left of eligibility. Last year was completely f'ed up due to the year prior and not developing a QB.
One of our main problems has been coaching. Hopefully Freeze, former coach for Arkansas State, 2011 Sunbelt champion, will change that. Freeze was actually Coach Cotton in The Blindside, or, should I say, he was the real coach at Briarcrest Cristian.
Oh, and tell your QB to watch out for this guy:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Channing-Ward-98175;_ylt=AlvF3U175GfU9PPHPXCbGKNDPZB4
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Even the low-tier SEC teams have tough defenses. Not saying you won't be successful. IMO you'll have an easier transition than Missouri, but SEC speed on defense is no myth.
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The old meme that there's no speed in the Big 12 is nonsense. Our DBs may have been gashed last year, but it was due to poor technique, not because they were slow. We've got a salty O-line coming back with Joeckel and Matthews at the tackle positions. RB (Michael/Malena/Trey Williams) looks excellent as well. WRs (Swope/Nwuchukwu) are better than average. Our only real offensive concern is breaking in a new and unproven QB (either Jamiell Showers, Soph. or Johnny Manziel, Fr-RS). The upside is that both of them are extremely fast. The DBs don't worry me as much this year because the SEC generally doesn't sling it like the Big 12. My primary concern is the D-line. Our defensive linemen aren't SEC-caliber anyway, plus, we have NO depth there.
Not sure if you keep close tabs on these things, but we hired Kevin Sumlin from the University of Houston as HC and Kliff Kingsbury as OC. They're Mike Leach disciples that are known for their "air raid" offenses. It's not so much the run-and-shoot as it is getting people into space. Expect a lot of screens, swing passes, and quick slants....mostly high-percentage throws that a new QB can make, rather than trying to just pound it up the gut.
I know that Ole Miss was good for a few years, but y'all really fell off last year...2-10 IIRC. It just seems that y'all have a slightly deeper hole to claw yourselves out of than we do. Surprisingly, I'm actually more concerned about LaTech than Florida. We get the Gators at home and everyone knows they'll have to lace 'em up tight. LaTech is a total sleeper team. They're bringing back 19 starters from a legit 2011 squad, so this is a complete trap game for us.
Because of the last minute scheduling due to conference realignment, we had to schedule 2 FCS teams (South Carolina State and Sam Houston State/FCS national finalists last year). That means that we have to go 7-5 to be bowl eligible. With the new coaching staff, new QB, and tougher conference, I couldn't complain about 7-5.
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The old meme that there's no speed in the Big 12 is nonsense. Our DBs may have been gashed last year, but it was due to poor technique, not because they were slow. We've got a salty O-line coming back with Joeckel and Matthews at the tackle positions. RB (Michael/Malena/Trey Williams) looks excellent as well. WRs (Swope/Nwuchukwu) are better than average. Our only real offensive concern is breaking in a new and unproven QB (either Jamiell Showers, Soph. or Johnny Manziel, Fr-RS). The upside is that both of them are extremely fast. The DBs don't worry me as much this year because the SEC generally doesn't sling it like the Big 12. My primary concern is the D-line. Our defensive linemen aren't SEC-caliber anyway, plus, we have NO depth there.
Not sure if you keep close tabs on these things, but we hired Kevin Sumlin from the University of Houston as HC and Kliff Kingsbury as OC. They're Mike Leach disciples that are known for their "air raid" offenses. It's not so much the run-and-shoot as it is getting people into space. Expect a lot of screens, swing passes, and quick slants....mostly high-percentage throws that a new QB can make, rather than trying to just pound it up the gut.
I know that Ole Miss was good for a few years, but y'all really fell off last year...2-10 IIRC. It just seems that y'all have a slightly deeper hole to claw yourselves out of than we do. Surprisingly, I'm actually more concerned about LaTech than Florida. We get the Gators at home and everyone knows they'll have to lace 'em up tight. LaTech is a total sleeper team. They're bringing back 19 starters from a legit 2011 squad, so this is a complete trap game for us.
Because of the last minute scheduling due to conference realignment, we had to schedule 2 FCS teams (South Carolina State and Sam Houston State/FCS national finalists last year). That means that we have to go 7-5 to be bowl eligible. With the new coaching staff, new QB, and tougher conference, I couldn't complain about 7-5.
My buddy is thinking ya'll will go 9-3:
http://www.sportsandgrits.com/2012/06/missouri-and-anm-schedule-breakdowns.html
...though I disagree with him. I've explained our past two years. We've ONLY been successful with pro-style QB's. We were with Snead, we were with Manning. Nutt tried this bullshit experiment of bringing in Jeremiah Masoli, with only ONE year eligibility in a rebuilding year. That was when he should have been developing a young QB. He squandered it. I expect JC transfer Bo Wallace to be the QB next year. He has his own JC accolades. Ole Miss, IMO, is going to be the SEC sleeper.
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My buddy is thinking ya'll will go 9-3:
I would absolutely drop a load in my shorts if we went 9-3, but it's not going to happen. Good luck to your Rebs, and feel free to swing by TexAgs.com for some good football discussion and trash talk in the first week of October. BTW, I hope y'all absolutely disembowel the 'Whorns.
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September is going to be a brutal month for us, look at our schedule. Just hired a new coach and he runs a spread option offense. I HATE that offense. Bo Wallace is a pro-style, not a dual-threat.
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September is going to be a brutal month for us, look at our schedule.
Texas is pretty good (at least their defense is), but by no means unbeatable. Agreed that you'll probably get mudholed by 'Bama in Tuscaloosa. Central Arky, UTEP, and Tulane shouldn't be that daunting. You could end September at 3-2 or 4-1 depending on how the Texas game goes, but the schedule doesn't get any easier.
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BTW, I'm actually looking forward to getting A&M into the SEC. We get Texas players in the SEC now, but this will open up even more due to TV exposure. We're not greedy in the SEC. Everything is shared. Yes, I know ALL about the Tsips network. All other teams were treated like chattel by UT. Mizzou is gonna have to grow on me. .....in 10-20 years or so. Also BTW, we do have dude cheerleaders with the big cones on the sidelines.
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We play in Oxford on the 6th of October. If you go, you HAVE to get to "The Grove". It was ranked 5th in the nation from the "tailgate commissioner".
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Granted, we ended up losing both of these in the end, but we held decent leads at one time. The defense just unraveled in the Cotton Bowl against LSU once MLB Michael Hodges went down. He didn't have Von Miller's talent, but he was truly the QB of the defense. The Arky loss is all on Coach DeRuyter. He kept covering the same receiver with the same linebacker and with the same results. As you'll see from the video, speed ain't gonna be a problem. Watch the RB that takes the handoff @ 3:32. It's Trey Williams, the incoming freshman. The dude single-handedly won a 5A state title for Spring Dekaney. Had offers from most of the SEC, including 'Bama, but we got him. Total beast.
[youtube=425,350]IIedP1g9HzE[/youtube]
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Not talking about your offensive speed. Of course it's fast. So is the rest of the Big-12, "B1G", and PAC. Problem is, our defensive guys run between a 4.3-4.6 in the 40. Like I said, it's not a myth. The SEC doesn't win 6 consecutive NC's on offense alone and if Texas would have been playing an SEC team instead of USC in their last NC, that SEC team would have shut Vince Young down. Think about this, the awesome Tim Tebow was knocked out by a dismal Kentucky defense that had his ass puking when he was taken out.
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You guys have a young coach, a good coach. He'll adapt. Also, think about this, Coach Francione couldn't do shit in the SEC.
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Also, think about this, Coach Francione couldn't do shit in the SEC.
Couldn't do shit in the Big 12 either, which is why we ran his ass off 5 years ago. Mike Sherman, for all his faults, righted the ship to a certain degree. I agreed with his firing, but I think that he's a good man and a helluva offensive coordinator and recruiter. I think that we'll look back at the Sherman era and determine that he helped rebuild the program, regardless of the wins and losses. Most of our recruits balked once we fired him, but Sumlin was able to keep them all but Bralon Addison, who eventually committed to Oregon. I think that within 4 years we're going to be competing for the West. I also think that we'll win an SEC title before Arky does.
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Not talking about your offensive speed. Of course it's fast. So is the rest of the Big-12, "B1G", and PAC. Problem is, our defensive guys run between a 4.3-4.6 in the 40. Like I said, it's not a myth.
The myth is that all speed is concentrated in the SEC, which is incorrect. You do realize that Texas A&M won the national title in Track in 2011, right? The problem isn't speed, it's power and depth on the front 7. All football power comes from the ass and quads. If you look at SEC teams, LSU and 'Bama in particular, their front 7 all have HUGE asses and legs. We just need to get our training up to speed, starting in Jr. High. Like it or not, Texas is where the talent is, at least in terms of pure numbers. Hell, Oklahoma and Okie Lite couldn't field a team if not for Texas. If we can steal the cream of the crop from UT, we'll be fine.
I'd love to go to a game at Oxford; unfortunately, time, money, and kids are a severe obstacle. One of the things on my bucket list, once I retire, is to either buy or rent an RV and hit every TAMU game in one season. It may be College Station one week, then Auburn, then CS, then Tuscaloosa, then CS, then Oxford, then CS, then Columbia. If possible, you should try a game at Kyle Field. You won't find a better gameday experience and more hospitable people anywhere in the country.
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Speed isn't concentrated in the SEC. Defensive speed, however, is. Sure, there are fast DBS all over the nation. Can they keep up with a Mark Ingram? No. A Julio Jones? No. A Trent Richardson? No. Big-12 defenses lack speed. You'll understand that next year. I'm doing nothing but pissing in the wind and expecting it not to hit me now as you've never played an SEC schedule. You guys will succeed. I don't think Mizzou will. They will if they conform. There's a reason the SEC has the last 6 BCS NC's. Hey, I'd LOVE for a good military-minded school like A&M to get it. Just don't look at the teams 'Bama looks at as a win as a win for you. Tech beat Texas, lost to OU a few years back. Went 1 loss. We DOMINATED them and we were just above average in the SEC. That was our year with NFL players John and Peria Jerry, Michael Oher, and Dexter McCluster. There are more in the NFL, but it's late and I can't remember.
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Speed isn't concentrated in the SEC. Defensive speed, however, is. Sure, there are fast DBS all over the nation. Can they keep up with a Mark Ingram? No. A Julio Jones? No. A Trent Richardson? No. Big-12 defenses lack speed.
We've got the same speed that SEC teams have on defense, it's just that our 4.4 guys weigh 180 while yours weigh 205. The issue is getting the weight on our guys and still maintaining that speed. The speed is the same, the SIZE and STRENGTH at that speed is not.
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205? Our DE's are pushing 300. Scout has 5-star Channing Ward's one weakness, coming to Ole Miss next season, as being small. He's 6'4", 270.
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The SEC's defensive size is Ike Wisconsin's offensive size. You're in luck. You just opened up a whole new recruiting region. You do have a few 5-stars though. Hell, this is the best move the Aggies ever made. I hope you send those hippies back to Austin crying.
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The SEC's defensive size is Ike Wisconsin's offensive size.
I know. I'm telling you, we're just as fast, we're just smaller on defense. We've got smaller fast guys. SEC defenses are equally fast, but alot bigger.
Hell, this is the best move the Aggies ever made. I hope you send those hippies back to Austin crying.
To be honest, I couldn't give a shit less what happens to the Taco Meat 12 anymore. I'll probably still have to pull for the Frogs though, just because Mrs. Tantal is an alum.
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You'll get a lot more money for your program, that's for sure. We share everything in the SEC. No Tsips channel here.
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You'll get a lot more money for your program, that's for sure. We share everything in the SEC. No Tsips channel here.
Which is why the SEC doesn't "realign", they just expand. Everybody wants in, nobody wants out. Just wait though. Eventually Texas will come knocking. They'll "offer" to come to the SEC on the condition that we fire Slive and let Deloss Dodds be the league commissioner. If they ever try, remember, the common theme in all of Texas' failed relationships (Arky, Colorado, Nebraska, TAMU, and Mizzou) is Texas. They are the Terrell Owens of college football.
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Which is why the SEC doesn't "realign", they just expand. Everybody wants in, nobody wants out. Just wait though. Eventually Texas will come knocking. They'll "offer" to come to the SEC on the condition that we fire Slive and let Deloss Dodds be the league commissioner. If they ever try, remember, the common theme in all of Texas' failed relationships (Arky, Colorado, Nebraska, TAMU, and Mizzou) is Texas. They are the Terrell Owens of college football.
We don't want Texas. Trust me. I know someone that works for the SEC and Texas was NEVER a consideration. As for the SEC, you're right. Unless I'm mistaken, we're the only conference with no buyout clause. You wanna leave, leave. You will be replaced. The SEC will NEVER bow to the Tsips. With you guys, we have our footprint and you actually wanted to come. Texas is the reason the Big-12 pretty much fell apart. They're assholes who think their shit doesn't stink. The SEC has been around for over 80 years. We don't need that shit.
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Hell, look at why a conference championship and 12-team conference came from. The SEC. There's a special on ESPN about "the game that changed college football" or something like that.
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Btw, if you look at what the SEC goes after, last expansion with USC and Arkansas, and this one, they're all flagship universities. A&M is a flagship as is Mizzou, those yankee f'ers. It's why if they branch out to NC they'll pick UNC over NC State. UVA over Va Tech. Only non-flagships are charter members, Vandy, Ms State, Auburn.
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Only non-flagships are charter members, Vandy, Ms State, Auburn.
Actually, Texas is large enough to have 2 flagships, Texas A&M and Texas.....both with over 50,000 undergrads. The rest, Texas Tech (academic cesspool), TCU, Baylor, etc.....are content to swing from U.T.'s nuts in exchange for being in an A.Q. conference. If you'll recall, Kenneth Starr (Baylor President) actually threatened to sue the SEC for inviting us to join. There was some political shenanigans involved in getting Baylor into the Taco Meat 12 to begin with (big time Baylor alums, including then-Governor Ann Richards). RG3 notwithstanding, Baylor should not be in an A.Q. conference. You may have never been to Texas or visited either campus, but we're polar opposites both culturally and politically. Texas A&M will fit in well in the SEC. Texas would be better off in the PAC-whatever. They're the university version of DU. Texas A&M OTOH is primarily a school of hard-line conservatives with a deep military tradition.
Interesting historical tidbit: During WWII, Texas A&M produced more military officers than any of the service academies.
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Y'all better watch out for LSU this season since that punk Jefferson is gone. The QB position will be much improved.
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Y'all better watch out for LSU this season since that punk Jefferson is gone. The QB position will be much improved.
Thanks to a Georgian. We have one of the best JUCO QB's in the country this season, Bo Wallace. Anxious to see what Freeze does with this team.
Tantal, I knew all that. I'm an admin of a sports board. It's why many of us wanted A&M, the Texas connection aside.
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Y'all better watch out for LSU this season since that punk Jefferson is gone. The QB position will be much improved.
Yeah. Somehow I doubt that the preseason #1 is going to be "sneaking up" on people.
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From what I've seen, USC is the preseason #1. The media HATES giving credit to the SEC until they just have to. You'll learn. If Auburn, who was undefeated at the time, was allowed to play in the NC years ago, you wouldn't have seen a 55-14 score between USC and OU. Auburn would have easily handled that offense. We do have the record of doing so. The SEC is undefeated in the BCS NC. Correction, we just got our first loss. ....to another SEC team. It's good to have a great offense, REALLY good, but ask Eli Manning how much he loves his DB's, DT's, and DE's at the Giants. In the SEC, we know it's offense that gets you there, but it's defense that wins the championship. You Aggies will adapt, and eventually beat the HELL out of the Tsips consistently. SC did it, Arkansas did it, if you can compete in the SEC, you can compete anywhere. I think Sumlin is young enough of a coach to where adapting won't be a problem. Offense is no problem for you guys. Well, except for protection. As an 8-4 team we got after TT and OSU's QB like it wasn't even funny in the Cotton Bowl. Y'all will probably beat us this year. We have a new coach. You had three consistent powerhouses in the Big-12, Nebraska, OU, and the Tsips and Nebraska had fallen off significantly. We have UGA, Bama, LSU, Florida, Tennessee( they're going through a rough spot due to Lane f'n Kiffin), Auburn, and even Arkie and SC have stepped up. You also get a brand new fan base during post season like you see in no other conference. Unlike Mizzou, you guys don't really need to work at acceptance. If it was UT, I assure you, they would.
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...but you always have your slip ups, like us losing to f'n Jacksonville State or UGA losing to UCF. That shit was pathetic, depressing, and dumbfounded all at once. We barely lost to BYU last year at home. That bothered me. Losing to f'n La Tech? That REALLY bothered me. I think that's the game where people realized Nutt had lost it. He squandered his one year to lose on a grad student from Oregon with one year of eligibility left. That was your f'n year to train a new QB, Nutt!!! Stupid coaching decisions. We have a hometown boy now (Oher's real HS coach in The Blind Side). He's from Senatobia, Ms. And just won the Sunbelt with Arkie State. He got a position with Ole Miss after Oher was recruited, causing all kinds of problems.
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Most reputable sources that I've seen have put LSU at the top with USC at #2. Virtually everyone has Alabama in the top 5 as well. Scout.com actually had the temerity to put Texas at #5, which is pure, unadulterated, BULLSHIT. How do you put an 8-5 team with no QB at #5? Looks like the 'sips may own Scout, much like ESPN owns the 'sips.
To be honest, if we sweep our out-of-conference games, then beat Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and beat just one out of Arky, Mizzou, Florida, and Auburn, I'll be satisfied. If we go .500 in the last 4 mentioned plus a bowl win, I'll be ecstatic. Given our lack of defensive strength and depth, I've got fairly low expectations for this year. My only hope is that our offense can turn some of these games into a track meet and that we'll catch a few breaks. I know that a NC is out of the question, but I'd be almost as happy to meet Texas in the Cotton Bowl and mudhole those sunzabitches.
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Hell, look at why a conference championship and 12-team conference came from. The SEC. There's a special on ESPN about "the game that changed college football" or something like that.
I watched that. It was about the first conference championship game. I remember people were on pins and needles because it could have been a HUGE bust.
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Hell, look at why a conference championship and 12-team conference came from. The SEC. There's a special on ESPN about "the game that changed college football" or something like that.
I saw it. It's the game where Alabama was en route to the national title game, but had to get past Spurrier's Florida squad. They were worried because Florida was ranked much lower but still posed a real threat due to Spurrier's spread offense. Had Florida won, no SEC team would've made it to the title game. Antonio Langham got the pick-6 from Shane Matthews to seal the deal and 'Bama went on to win the title.
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Well, it's done. The Taco Meat 10 Conference is officially in the rear-view mirror.
[youtube=425,350]http://youtu.be/e91h8Zr3HGc[/youtube]
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Welcome aboard. Always thought the Aggies would be a good fit. I seriously did not want Mizzou. UNC would have been a better fit.
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Not knocking you Mizzou fans, I just feel you're a better fit for the B1G and a helluva lot better fit than Nebraska. Nebraska is better suited in a conference with OU, Okis State, KU, KSU, IMO. Those Tsip aholes can become independent. They think they're all that matters anyway.
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Welcome aboard. Always thought the Aggies would be a good fit.
Now that the pleasantries are out of the way, remember that we are the wealthiest school in the league now (oil money, bitches), so, we can afford to hire any coach or AD we want (we've already stolen the 'Cocks' Hyman) and build any facilities we want. We're dead center of the hottest recruiting bed in the entire nation (DFW/Houston/Austin/San Antonio). Now, your argument will be that we're not up to SEC competition yet, and you would be correct. I'll give Sumlin 4 years, then.......get your fvckin' shine box! :-)
Seriously though, stop by Texags.com and hit the SEC board. Lots of good-natured trash talk there.
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Don't know about College Station being the wealthiest. From what I read about your endowment, that's A&M systemwide. It's also about how much of that goes into the football program. The Vols and Bama fans are freakish in giving. Look at Vandy's endowment (3.375B), and that's just for that one school, and look at their little high school stadium.
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BTW, I think Sumlin will do fine with his offense. He probably needs to get a damn good, SEC-minded DC, if he doesn't already have one. We fired one a while back that I thought was a good DC. Offense has never been a problem in the B12, maybe except the line. I'm just hoping this season for us won't be as bad as last. We have a new coach, so who knows. Ole Miss is NOT supposed to be the bottom of the barrel. We've gotten used to being a little above average. The Gamecocks, UK, and Vandy used to be the bottom. Now the Cocks would annihilate us. Our issues have been coaching for the last several years.
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Don't know about College Station being the wealthiest. From what I read about your endowment, that's A&M systemwide. It's also about how much of that goes into the football program. The Vols and Bama fans are freakish in giving.
With Hyman as AD, I'm expecting some serious upgrades in football spending and facilities. If we can get a little success, the alumni checkbooks will open wide as well. I'm expecting a 6-6 or 7-5 season this year, but, in 4-5 years, we should be competing for the West.
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That's some wishful thinking. LSU and Bama are two juggernauts that aren't going away. Satan will be at UA until he retires. I swear, I think he sold his soul to the devil. After 2 years, they were competing for the SEC, after 3, they won the NC. He went pro and couldn't do shit (neither could Spurrier). Came to Bama. After 2 years, competing for the SEC. After 3, won the NC. He could tell Bama he wanted 8 mil a year and they'd break their legs getting it to him and then ask him if he needed a pedicure. It was always assumed Miles first NC was with Saban players. His second still with Saban players. He'll be gone in the next 3-4 years.
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Welcome aboard. Always thought the Aggies would be a good fit. I seriously did not want Mizzou. UNC would have been a better fit.
UNC would have been a horrible fit.
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UNC would have been a horrible fit.
They're a southern flagship.
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I wouldn't have minded having Virginia Tech. Agree with you on Mizzou too. I have no personal animosity toward the Tigers, but I think they would've been better suited for the Big 10. Had the B1G offered, I think that they would've gone there instead.
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BTW, I think Sumlin will do fine with his offense. He probably needs to get a damn good, SEC-minded DC, if he doesn't already have one.
We hired Mark Snyder from USF as DC. We've had coaching problems as well. Franchione was a complete abortion. Strangely though, I think that history will judge Sherman favorably. He didn't get it done himself, but he left us structurally sound with some excellent recruits. Sumlin's not walking into a bare cupboard. Sherman, being an offensive guy, loaded us up at the skill positions at the expense of defense. Sumlin and his staff will have to rectify that if we expect to be competitive. The SEC has 3rd string DLs that would be starting anywhere else in the country, so we've got some catching up to do in that area.
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They're a southern flagship.
They don't view themselves as southern. They'd be crying to leave in under a decade because they'd be Vandy's bitch every year, not to mention UT, UF, USC, etc.
Miami or FSU would be a better fit.
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They don't view themselves as southern. They'd be crying to leave in under a decade because they'd be Vandy's bitch every year, not to mention UT, UF, USC, etc.
Miami or FSU would be a better fit.
Miami, HELL no! FSU, we already have Florida wrapped up in recruiting. Even Ole Miss gets a ton of players from there. It's about expanding territory, within reason. Mizzou isn't a reason.
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NC State then.
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Gotta tell ya Tantal, you guys are doing it right. From reading these IDIOT Mizzou fans on ESPN's board, these fools think they'll be in the SEC-CG next year. Now, refresh my memory, how many times did they actually "compete" for the B12? I look forward to their beat down. I wanna see tears when UF, UGA, and USC dominate their asses. Most Aggies understand there's gonna be a learning curve. There's a reason the SEC has 8 NC's in the BCS era. These assholes think they're gonna run roughshod over the SEC-E, and you as you're their partner? LMAO! BTW, when I say partner, I mean your one OOD team. Ours is Vandy.
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ALL of their hopes are on this one #1 HIGH school WR they recruited. Yeah, we have DB's that can match his speed.
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I welcome A&M; but I don't think Mizzou is a good fit either.
BTW...I'm sure y'all heard about my Bulldogs' "prized" running back (Isaiah Crowell)getting kicked off the team for getting arrested for possession of an illegal firearm. He just threw his entire career away. I don't understand how some of these college kids can be so dumb.
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NC State then.
Leave my puppy pack alone and out of this SEC masturbation thread.
Take Dook, every conference should have a campus from New Jersey State University.
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ALL of their hopes are on this one #1 HIGH school WR they recruited. Yeah, we have DB's that can match his speed.
A top-notch receiver is nice to have, but he doesn't do the team much good if the O-line folds like a Wal-Mart lawn chair and the QB is being gang-raped 8 yards behind the line of scrimmage.
The best that I'm hoping for is 4th in the West this year, but I'm not holding my breath either. 6-6 (2-6 in conference) is not beyond the realm of possibility; however, I think that we'll jump up and beat a team or two that we were expected to lose to (Mizzou, Florida, Arky, or Auburn). Florida has great D, but no O. Arky has great O, but no D. As for Auburn, I'm just not overly impressed with Chizik, post-Newton. They beat Utah State by the skin of their teeth last year, so I'd definitely put them in the "toss-up" category for us.
Best case: 8-4
Worst case: 6-6
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From reading these IDIOT Mizzou fans on ESPN's board, these fools think they'll be in the SEC-CG next year.
I don't know. SC looks tough, especially with Lattimore coming back, but they're not completely unbeatable. Same goes for Florida with their lack of an offense. Although Georgia may have a slight edge, that one could go either way as well. Tennessee, Vandy, and Kentucky are down as of late. I see the east as being fairly wide-open. I wouldn't necessarily pick Mizzou to win it, but I wouldn't be shocked either. Now, if we could only have a TAMU/Mizzou title game. That would be awesome, but it ain't happening.
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BTW...I'm sure y'all heard about my Bulldogs' "prized" running back (Isaiah Crowell)getting kicked off the team for getting arrested for possession of an illegal firearm.
Steve Spurrier may be on to something. He once said "I prefer to play Georgia early in the season because they've usually got a few key players on suspension."
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Tantal, there is absolutely no way in hell Mizzou gets into the CG. The only way that would happen is if all teams in the east forfeit.
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I don't know. SC looks tough, especially with Lattimore coming back, but they're not completely unbeatable. Same goes for Florida with their lack of an offense. Although Georgia may have a slight edge, that one could go either way as well. Tennessee, Vandy, and Kentucky are down as of late. I see the east as being fairly wide-open. I wouldn't necessarily pick Mizzou to win it, but I wouldn't be shocked either. Now, if we could only have a TAMU/Mizzou title game. That would be awesome, but it ain't happening.
BTW, can't wait for you two to get into the SEC. We'll have this discussion after this season. Something tells me you'll have a greater respect for the SEC. Mizzou having a chance? Yeah, like no chance in hell. They could barely compete in the 12, and they're gonna beat UGA or SC? Hell, let's talk about SC, our little expansion team that had a Heisman contender in the 80's by the name of George Rogers. They were a JOKE in the SEC until The Visor came along. They used to be one of the guaranteed wins like UK, Vandy, or MSU. Ole Miss sucks now, but we're up and down. We were never one of those teams that were ALWAYS down. They win the East, I'll send you a 200 gift certificate to your nearest Fogo de Chao. They have one recruit they're putting their money on. Well, a WR isn't like a RB in that he can't be everything as someone has to get the ball to him. A RB can, see Herschel Walker, Bo Jackson, Trent Richardson or Mark Ingram, etc. but the latter two had a good QB and I don't even know why I'm putting them in the same category with the first two. Also, Lattimore is a f'n beast. I've tried to discount him SO many times. He's the real deal. Dumbass Crowell is gone from UGA, but in the SEC, there's always a 4-5 star player in waiting. I welcome you guys, but don't come cocky. If you could barely compete in the 12, don't act like you're going to come in and start dominating. The SEC is the closest you'll get to the NFL without being in the NFL. A 4.4/40 WR? We have DBs that run a 4.3, 5'10" and can vertical 7'2". Like I said, I think A&M is better equipped, and I don't see the arrogance I see like I do with Mizzou fans, but when you say Mizzou could win the SEC-E because of this and that, A) you don't know SEC ball, and B) you don't really respect the conference you're getting in to. Enjoy the Grove. Even though you'll probably win, it'll be an experience you'll never forget. We're undefeated in tailgating.
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Easy there, Reb. I just said that the East looked open this year. SC and Georgia are the two best teams, but they're not necessarily "dominant" like LSU or 'Bama. Now, I'm not saying that Mizzou fans have any reason to be cocky, but this is the weakest the SEC East has looked in a while. The West OTOH is brutal. LSU/Bama (dominant). Arky could take the title in any other conference. Auburn (good, but by no means great). Same for State. Unfortunately, Ole Miss seems to be bringing up the rear this year, but maybe Freeze can get it turned around somewhat.
The major impact that the SEC is having at Texas A&M is recruiting. We're getting recruits that we wouldn't have dreamed of before. They all say the same thing...."I want to play the best....and the best are in the SEC." It'll even diminish the power of Texas and OU because D/FW recruits will look at us harder. QB is iffy for us right now. Not saying he sucks, but he's unproven. We're loaded at RB and WR. DB's? Meh. LB's? Pretty good. DL? Huge weakness in the SEC. I can only hope that Kingsbury can turn these games into a track meet in which our opponents have to score 50+ to beat us.
As for tailgating, I'd love to make it to Oxford, but it won't be for a while. Never been there before, but I hear that the "talent" at Ole Miss is second to none. We need to revisit this discussion on October 6th. Seriously, though. Sign up at Texags!
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Tantal, there is absolutely no way in hell Mizzou gets into the CG. The only way that would happen is if all teams in the east forfeit.
Not really. They only need Florida, South Carolina, and Georgia to forfeit. I think Mizzou will handle Tennessee, Kentucky, and Vandy pretty well.
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1st coaches poll out today, lots of SEC
1. LSU
2. Alabama
6. Georgia
9. South Carolina
10 Arkansas
25. Auburn
30. Texas A&M
43. Missouri
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1st coaches poll out today, lots of SEC
1. LSU
2. Alabama
6. Georgia
9. South Carolina
10 Arkansas
25. Auburn
30. Texas A&M
43. Missouri
You forgot Florida at #23
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You forgot Florida at #23
I did, you cant blame me though its so easy to forget them these days :)
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I did, you cant blame me though its so easy to forget them these days :)
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Welcome to the SEC, Mizzou and A&M. Mizzou fans, you might want to reconsider the thought, "We're gonna dominate the SEC-E!". It would save you some humiliation.
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I'd just like to say "Welcome to the SEC" to Texas A&M and Missouri.
The Aggies came in knowing they had a fight on their hands, and played a hell of a game.
Missouri was boasting they were going to compete for the SEC-East this year. I think UGA just disabused them of that thought.
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ugh going to be another long season, TAMU was dominating in the 1st half but then came out flat in the 2nd half just like a lot of losses last year.
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I'd just like to say "Welcome to the SEC" to Texas A&M and Missouri.
Both of them had a good first showing, A&M a little more than Mizzou. Both teams are going to have to shore up their defense and depth big time. A&M should be able to catch-up more quickly with all the talent in Texas. Mizzou will take longer.
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Both of them had a good first showing, A&M a little more than Mizzou. Both teams are going to have to shore up their defense and depth big time. A&M should be able to catch-up more quickly with all the talent in Texas. Mizzou will take longer.
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Too bad you don't have me added on FB. You could see all the gems I've been posting. :stirpot:
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there aint nothing to this SEC thing
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there aint nothing to this SEC thing
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If TAMU had it all figured out, they'd be 7-0 in conference.
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If TAMU had it all figured out, they'd be 7-0 in conference.
They do have it all figured out everything except how to hold on to a lead, thats been their problem for a few years now.
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Looks like there will be no SEC team in the BCS Championship this year :(
BUT...Oregon still has to play USC (which I think they can beat) and Kansas St. still has to play Texas. If one of those lose, Bama is back in it.
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Looks like there will be no SEC team in the BCS Championship this year :(
BUT...Oregon still has to play USC (which I think they can beat) and Kansas St. still has to play Texas. If one of those lose, Bama is back in it.
Correction: Looks like there could be two SEC teams in the NC this year. If ND goes down, UF, Bama, and UGA win out, the NC will consist of UF vs the winner of the SEC CG. Then the rest of the nation will be... :overreaction:
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Correction: Looks like there could be two SEC teams in the NC this year. If ND goes down, UF, Bama, and UGA win out, the NC will consist of UF vs the winner of the SEC CG. Then the rest of the nation will be... :overreaction:
That ain't happening. UF will lose to FSU because UF has no offence. Bama beats Auburn and UGA. ND beats USC with So. Cal being the most overrated team I've seen in long, long time.
I've got to go with Bama vs. ND in Miami with Bama winning it all.
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That ain't happening. UF will lose to FSU because UF has no offence. Bama beats Auburn and UGA. ND beats USC with So. Cal being the most overrated team I've seen in long, long time.
I've got to go with Bama vs. ND in Miami with Bama winning it all.
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I think you're right about Florida, but I think UGA can take Bama and think USC has a good chance to beat ND.
Oh, and I'll remove my avatar after the Egg Bowl. :fuelfire: