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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on March 22, 2012, 08:32:58 PM
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Those familiar with the X-Men mythology know that the premise behind the comic books tells of a number of being, born of human parents that manifest genetic mutations that grant them superhuman powers.
Because of the magnitude of their powers and the general fear of the new and unknown the mutants are despised by the very people they fight to defend.
All the while they also fight to be seen as just as human. They are self-aware, aware of others, they make moral decisions, they come from human parents, may breed with humans and even produce non-mutant human children.
This being the case is there room for debate that mutants should not be granted the same legal recognitions, protections and dignities humans demand and take for granted?
Do their abilities really make them so different as to qualify them as other-than-human, regardless of any appearance that may or may not outwardly seem different?
(http://www.historyguy.com/comicshistory/uncannyx-men_500.jpg)
Just like you?
I know this seems off-kilter but humor the premise for the sake of discussion.
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They are comic book characters. Various inks applied to flattened wood pulp in accordance with an Intelligent Design.
Other than that, yeah sure they're human. :whatever:
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I'm a mutant, I am human...and I vote!
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They are comic book characters. Various inks applied to flattened wood pulp in accordance with an Intelligent Design.
Other than that, yeah sure they're human. :whatever:
No kiddin'. I said as much in the last line of the OP.
It's a larger philosophical point about what makes a human a human. The comic books over the years have made a sustained effort to explore those points noting that throughout human history the greatest tragedies (slavery, the Holocaust) have relied upon the DE-humanization of the targeted population group.
You may not have an appreciation for a particular medium of art but that doesn't invalidate the medium. It's been decades since I picked up a comic book but the mythologies within them are still good storytelling.
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Yes, it's like the Greek morality plays. I am somewhat of a mutant in that I am a zombie for owebuma. My super powers aren't that breathtaking though. I can only moan owebuma bumper sticker slogans while slowly zombie shuffling to the polling place, and can only lift my outstretched zombie arms high enough to grab owebuma handouts, and grab the owebuma vote lever.
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I think the issue is "personhood."
What makes me a "person"?
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Yes they are human and should be able to vote. If they have flesh and blood and an IQ higher that 50 then yes.
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Yes they are human and should be able to vote. If they have flesh and blood and an IQ higher that 50 then yes.
Thank-you ma'am.
What makes them human? Their biology (arguably their greatest difference)? Their sense of self and others (their most common aspect)?
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Mutants can reason. They understand rights. They can communicate.
Further, they can ASK for equal rights, unlike all the animals the Left wants to grant human rights too.
If a being is intelligent enough to understand and desire rights, and they ask for them, then yes they deserve rights.
There is an ape in Europe that was the center of a human rights case. I've no idea what the outcome was, but the ape was dependent on leftists to speak for it. That doesn't cut it for me. A person has to be able to speak for themselves to access equal rights.
Back to the mutants, their genetic code is only slightly different, they ARE human (in spite of wearing spandex to fights).
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Thank-you ma'am.
What makes them human? Their biology (arguably their greatest difference)? Their sense of self and others (their most common aspect)?
They were born from human parents, therefore they are human and entitled to all rights that humans are. To deny that mutants are humans is to deny that those born with birth defects are human.
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Mutants can reason. They understand rights. They can communicate.
Further, they can ASK for equal rights, unlike all the animals the Left wants to grant human rights too.
If a being is intelligent enough to understand and desire rights, and they ask for them, then yes they deserve rights.
There is an ape in Europe that was the center of a human rights case. I've no idea what the outcome was, but the ape was dependent on leftists to speak for it. That doesn't cut it for me. A person has to be able to speak for themselves to access equal rights.
Back to the mutants, their genetic code is only slightly different, they ARE human (in spite of wearing spandex to fights).
It is the freaking DNA, and what the heck is a mutant anyway....
Mutation goes both ways some evolve some digress. Are left handed people Mutants, how about people who are color blind, people born with one eye blue the other brown.???
Some people the very young or very old cannot speak for themselves, was Helen Keller a Mutant??
Interesting that we after years of studying the primate and the avability of the the phone cameras, we are finding some very evolutionary behavior in both captive and wild apes.
A bunch of people following a family of gorillas in a study were stunned to see the Male stand upright, grab a good sized stick and use it like a walking stick to cross a shallow stream filled with slippery rocks. His family on the bank watched him and went in search of their own sticks and followed after him. The conclusion was these primates had been watching humans do the same for years until the male tried it out and they followed his lead.
Then some Zoo in Europe I believe found out their primates could look ahead and anticipate the future. They began collecting small rocks and storing them on a hillside. When visitors came to watch them they began throwing the rocks at them. Question was, had a human perhaps a zoo worker been throwing rocks at them and they caught on ???
Today with all the chemicals and strange drugs we take, can they cause mutations to the baby in the womb, is this why so many children be being diagnosed as Autistic.????? Today Doctors are wondering about deodorant and if it is one of the causes of breast cancer. All chemicals, Hair spray to cosmetics get leached into the body, hair dye also, so once absorbed by a pregnant woman will this not also go into the fetus in its first stages.
I know first hand that when breast feeding there are foods one should not eat or drink, but what about the time before a woman knows she is pregnant, first 6 weeks or so, she may dye her hair, have a chemical peel, use moisturisers, and she may be eating food that has been sprayed with some insecticides, use illegal or legal drugs drink like a fish, smoke cigarettes, ----What does this bombardmen of chemicals do to the growing baby?????
Genes do on occasion split or get crossed up with another gene from the well of DNA, some diseases cannot be explained but for a wandering genetic missfire. Then there is outside sources that combine with others to bring back to life a disease that was thought extinct.
One never knows what caused the mutation from ape to human, but mutations go on every day in all life, this does not mean a cat born with no ears is not a cat or a human born with a unknown source of ability to do algebra at age 3 that this is not a humane.
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I used to date a gal with the mutant ability to color coordinate her wardrobe.
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what the heck is a mutant anyway....
Someone who can understand what the **** it is you're talking about.
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Someone who can understand what the **** it is you're talking about.
We need you to be the mutant equivalent of Jeff Foxworthy "You might just be a mutant". It could be a good subject for a comedy routine. For instance, if you can understand what vesta is talking about...