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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on March 12, 2012, 08:16:30 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1170305
Oh my.
Too bad.
Too bad for the primitives, that is.
DreamSmoker (496 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
First the States, Now Congress OKs Drug-Testing for Unemployment Benefits
As several states are considering or implementing policies that require recipients of government benefits such as welfare to undergo drug tests, the federal government has shown approval for the same flawed rationale. Last week, President Obama signed into law an agreement reached by Congress which maintains the payroll tax cut and extends unemployment benefits, but also allows states to drug test people who seek unemployment benefits if they were fired from their previous job for using drugs or if they are seeking a job that would ordinarily require drug tests.
What percentage of those applying would be forced to pee in a cup? Although the numbers are unclear, Republicans had cited a study claiming 84% of employers required new hires to pass a drug test. Initially, Republicans had pushed for drug testing all applicants, but this was opposed by Democrats. In order to extend the payroll tax cut and unemployment, however, Democrats caved on the issue of drug testing.
http://blog.norml.org/2012/02/29/first-the-states-now-congress-oks-drug-testing-for-unemployment-benefits/
bowens43 (13,218 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
1. unf*cking believable. So much for small government republicans....oh yeah FU dems.
KansDem (21,462 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. "So much for small government republicans"
Yeah, really! What's with Republicans and their obsession with vaginas and bladders?
Isn't this a fetish of some kind?
What's with Democrats and high gasoline prices?
DJ13 (19,911 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
2. "however, Democrats caved on the issue"
Same song, different verse.
newfie11 (2,279 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
4. so unemployed have to pay
For this when they have no job or money. Heartless congress!
Newest Reality (2,592 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
5. Looks like our owners have every right to test their livestock as they see best.
FiveGoodMen (12,119 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. Livestock is the right word!
That's exactly how they see us.
limpyhobbler (1,398 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
7. What a huge waste of money. This is bullshit.
Drug users, the unemployed, and poor people make great scapegoats.
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As far as i know ,unless he's getting his prescription drugs the wrong way they should be able to exempt him on a positive drug test. Unless there is something else he is doing that's not so legal.
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Hey DUmmies, you take the king's coin you play by the king's rules.
If we have to piss in a cup in order to earn the tax dollars that you want from us, then you can piss in a cup too.
It's only fair.
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Newest Reality (2,592 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
5. Looks like our owners have every right to test their livestock as they see best.
FiveGoodMen (12,119 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. Livestock is the right word!
That's exactly how they see us.
I suppose being free men involves too much effort for some.
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Hey DUmmies, you take the king's coin you play by the king's rules.
If we have to piss in a cup in order to earn the tax dollars that you want from us, then you can piss in a cup too.
It's only fair.
THIS! HI5
You can be qualified for a job but not get it because of all the lawsuits filed by ambulance chasers that forced employers to demand you be drug free on the job. As far as getting hired and becoming a productive person in our society being drug free is much more important than having some taxpayer funded $25K Associates degree in Angry Ancient Asian Lesbians studies.
I love it when an unintended consequence comes around and bites a DUmbass in the bean bag.
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I suppose being free men involves too much effort for some.
How true ! Oftentimes you are seen as you appear.
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FiveGoodMen (12,119 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. Livestock is the right word!
That's exactly how they see us.
No.
Sorry.
Actual livestock have far more use and value than any of you DUmmies, so they're entitled a higher level of respect.
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FiveGoodMen (12,119 posts)
6. Livestock is the right word!
That's exactly how they see us.
Nah, you can eat livestock.
limpyhobbler (1,398 posts)
7.
Drug users, the unemployed, and poor people make great scapegoats.
Now, DUmmie, that is simply not true. They do, however, make fantastic targets.
(http://newslang89.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/historyoftheworldpart1-3.jpg)
PULL!
:-)
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Huh...I work for a private company but federal law says I have to piss in a cup...you're violating my rights!!!!!! /DU-libertariantard mode
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I was unemployed once and decided I couldn't afford beer.
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....but also allows states to drug test people who seek unemployment benefits if they were fired from their previous job for using drugs or if they are seeking a job that would ordinarily require drug tests.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that if one was fired from a job for doing drugs they were not eligible for UE benefits. It's ****ed up if they are if you ask me.
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This is why it's no fun being under the bootheel of government. They can make you do whatever they like, and they can take it all away from you. I would think that freedom and the accompanying responsibility would be a more attractive prospect for life.
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This is why it's no fun being under the bootheel of government. They can make you do whatever they like, and they can take it all away from you. I would think that freedom and the accompanying responsibility would be a more attractive prospect for life.
Milady, the red-bolded phrase is the operative one. They want to take responsibility for nothing. It's all someone else's responsibility.
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This is why it's no fun being under the bootheel of government. They can make you do whatever they like, and they can take it all away from you. I would think that freedom and the accompanying responsibility would be a more attractive prospect for life.
Indeed. (miskie points to signature line, where there is a Jefferson quote the primitives never EVER utter. )
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Goodness.
The DUmpmonkeys seem to want everything free.
Why are they so dead-set against drug-free. :???:
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FiveGoodMen (12,119 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. Livestock is the right word!
That's exactly how they see us.
Well, make yourself wards of the state and what do you expect? Wait til they start telling you what kind of medical treatment you can and can't get.
Cindie
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They best get hot on the heels of the Temp agency's. They have been doing drug testing for YEARS and for some reason through the years I ended up working with some interesting people. Legal drugs, some on bipolar medication that they seldom took and went batshit, Methodone and lord knows what. I have seen seizures caused by people so desperate for a job they stopped taking their mediation, drunks with the DT's walk into a moving Fork Lift, scared the hell out of the drivers. Working around machinery with the gruesome warning signs on them in 3 languages and a picture of fingers being severed, even OTC medication that causes drowsiness is frightening.
All kinds of ways for a full time hired person to get around the rules, all depends on how valuable you are to the company. One woman when told to be more careful at work as an accident could cause her to be drug tested looked at her supervisor and laughed in his face. Oh no you won't, she said, and named off 5-6 full time employees all men that had flunked the test and had to go to 3 days of drug counseling. If I am fired I will yell discrimination as no woman had been fired for drugs because no woman had flunked the test. A 3 day off to spend an hour in a drug class each day was no problem for her. No worry about being fired. Seen a couple supervisiors get hurt on the job and they clocked out went to the hospital to claim they were hurt at home--no drug test.
Disaster, the worker hurt was tested not the person that caused the accident. So a worker high on drugs could cause great harm to another was off free and clear, the poor hurt worker was drug tested.------Sort of like a worker walked up to another and punched him in the nose, both were fired for fighting even if the injured did not fight back or try to defend themselves.
For drug tests on people being laid off or fired from a job, looking for state assistance for family's, I am behind a rock an a hard place.
Harks back to the social service that long ago would not give help to a family if the husband lived with the family.
Remember when family's had to break up when the father could not support the family and the woman and kids could not get help unless he left the family ??? Ghetto time, social workers came into a neighborhood and the kids ran door to door to tell the husbands to hide. One of the major causes of the distruction of Black family's back then. It was OK for the woman and children to have a man in the house as long as it was not the kids father.
It's just one thing or another in life, every thing the Government with the best of intentions puts in place seem to do more harm then good. The road to hell for others is the good intentions of others for what they believe is for their own good.
So I was careful around the people that were off base some how, tried to look out for their safety but there were times that they scared me to death, try to complain and find the idiots were related to a supervisor.
Such is life, wasn't easy 120 years ago to round up cattle with a drunk partner. People do what they do, making more laws will do nothing but to place more and more people into the Drug dealing, stealing and teaching their kids how to live hand to mouth, train them to disrespect all authority in order to survive.
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Maybe three days is norm where you're at.
Not here.
Depending on what the substance is, offenders go on five year notice, and regular random testing.
This is after mandatory time off, and "counceling".
They bust it, they're gone. Period.
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Superb post today by...
wasp69
« Reply #7 on: Today at 10:23:07 am »
To you I say "It's good to be the King".