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Isn't this interesting? . . .
Obama Fares Worse Among Women after Month-Long Contraception Mandate Battle
Washington Post poll contradicts Washington Post narrative about female voters.
2:37 PM, Mar 12, 2012 • By JOHN MCCORMACK
How's the great contraception mandate battle of 2012 playing out? If you read the Washington Post's news coverage, the issue is supposedly killing Republicans among female voters. But the newest Washington Post/ABC poll tells a different story.
During the first few days of February, about a week before Obama declared a so-called "accommodation" to the contraception/abortifacient mandate, a Washington Post/ABC poll showed Obama's approval rating at 50 percent, with 46 percent of Americans disapproving.
Then, from March 7 to 10--a week into the national media firestorm surrounding Rush Limbaugh's degrading remarks about Georgetown Law student and liberal activist Sandra Fluke--Washington Post/ABC conducted another poll. It found Obama's approval rating at 46 percent, down four points from February, and his disapproval rating at 50 percent, up four points from February.
In February, Obama was leading Mitt Romney, 51 percent to 45 percent among registered voters. In March, Obama was trailing Mitt Romney, 47 percent to 49 percent among registered voters. The Post/ABC pollster finds that Obama "did better among men and women alike last month, and has lost ground slightly among both sexes this month."
While women are 12 points more apt than men to identify themselves as Democrats, that essentially matches the long-term norm. Largely because of that partisan gap, Obama’s approval rating is 9 points higher among women than men, but again this is typical. Compared with last month, disapproval of Obama’s job performance is up slightly among men, and there’s no increase in approval among women. And on vote preference vs. Romney, Obama did better among men and women alike last month, and has lost ground slightly among both sexes this month. In the latest results Romney has a 12-point lead among men who are registered voters; among women, it’s Obama +6.
How's the White House going to spin this? The rest of the story is at:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/washington-post-poll-contradicts-washington-post-narrative-women-voters_633469.html?nopager=1
Maybe the whole "religious freedom" argument is gaining traction! :yahoo:
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So, basically, WAPO spins its own poll, essentially lying about it.
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The Repubs need to keep their trap shut about social issues and concentrate on economic issues. Let the Pope, Catholics and Obama fight it out.
Santorum opened up a can of worms that did not need to be opened.
The left wing media permeates confusion. So, this article is nothing new that these birds do.
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Just keep the flames fanned in the background, and when the freedom of religion train looks like it's about to derail, re rail it.
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The Repubs need to keep their trap shut about social issues and concentrate on economic issues. Let the Pope, Catholics and Obama fight it out.
Santorum opened up a can of worms that did not need to be opened.
The left wing media permeates confusion. So, this article is nothing new that these birds do.
No, I'm sorry, that is not the answer. Social issues have been surrendered to the demoshits for decades and our society is in the toilet. There is no reason there cannot be a unified message.
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MSNBC keeps saying that Obama is better among woman. Looks like they lied, once again.
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No, I'm sorry, that is not the answer. Social issues have been surrendered to the demoshits for decades and our society is in the toilet. There is no reason there cannot be a unified message.
I agree. I'm beginning to think the conservatives complaining about campaigning on social issues are scared they will be shut out if a social conservative runs and wins. social issues affect the economy in many ways. A Helping Hand up is better than a hand out. Gets more folks once again becoming a productive member of society.
Some of the same folks trying to shut others up about social issues are the same folks that never thought RR could win.
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I agree. I'm beginning to think the conservatives complaining about campaigning on social issues are scared they will be shut out if a social conservative runs and wins. social issues affect the economy in many ways. A Helping Hand up is better than a hand out. Gets more folks once again becoming a productive member of society.
Some of the same folks trying to shut others up about social issues are the same folks that never thought RR could win.
I am not complaining. I just think that the economy, jobs and inflation is more important. When the Repub gets elected, he can flood the legislative body with tons of social issues that conservatives do not like. Santorum getting into the contraception issue when the Pope and Catholics are kicking Obama's ass on that issue is just not smart. He lost Ohio because of that. FYI, I voted for Ike, Goldwater, Nixon and R.R.
There are a lot of folks around here that think that Obama will be hard to beat. I happen to be one of those conservatives that think Obama will get whipped badly provided the Repub stick to the main issues which are the economy, jobs, debt and Obamacare. Reagan stuck to several key issues rather than going into the wild blue yonder with 15 or 20 issues. That is confusing to most voters.
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The Repubs need to keep their trap shut about social issues and concentrate on economic issues. Let the Pope, Catholics and Obama fight it out.
Santorum opened up a can of worms that did not need to be opened.
The left wing media permeates confusion. So, this article is nothing new that these birds do.
Santorum didn't start this. It all started back in January when Obama tried to force (well, he actually did it by making the insurance companies pay instead) the Catholic church to pay for abortions and contraception.
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Santorum didn't start this. It all started back in January when Obama tried to force (well, he actually did it by making the insurance companies pay instead) the Catholic church to pay for abortions and contraception.
No one forced him to make statements about contraception, porn and euthanasia. Although moral issues are important, what will bring Obama down is his horrible record on the economy, jobs, debt, high gas prices, Obamacare, energy policies etc. Repubs should stay on these topics. The media and Obama would like nothing better than to frame the debate and election on moral issues rather than his terrible record. Obama has a record; let's exploit.
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No one forced him to make statements about contraception, porn and euthanasia. Although moral issues are important, what will bring Obama down is his horrible record on the economy, jobs, debt, high gas prices, Obamacare, energy policies etc. Repubs should stay on these topics. The media and Obama would like nothing better than to frame the debate and election on moral issues rather than his terrible record. Obama has a record; let's exploit.
H5
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I am not complaining. I just think that the economy, jobs and inflation is more important. When the Repub gets elected, he can flood the legislative body with tons of social issues that conservatives do not like. Santorum getting into the contraception issue when the Pope and Catholics are kicking Obama's ass on that issue is just not smart. He lost Ohio because of that. FYI, I voted for Ike, Goldwater, Nixon and R.R.
There are a lot of folks around here that think that Obama will be hard to beat. I happen to be one of those conservatives that think Obama will get whipped badly provided the Repub stick to the main issues which are the economy, jobs, debt and Obamacare. Reagan stuck to several key issues rather than going into the wild blue yonder with 15 or 20 issues. That is confusing to most voters.
Economy & jobs and by extension inflation are social issues as well as economic ones. why alienate part of the base just to appease an other.
No one is saying advance two dozen issues,you are just trying to confuse the issues which is ironic because that's apparently your main argument on social conservatives.
Someone already said it & I agree the conservatives have ceded social issues to the liberals for far to long and know that conservatives stand a fair chance of winning the issue back you want them to surrender and play nice once again to appease part of the base at the expense of the other,along with crossover votes social issues may garner.
Doesn't make any sense to me.
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Economy & jobs and by extension inflation are social issues as well as economic ones. why alienate part of the base just to appease an other.
No one is saying advance two dozen issues,you are just trying to confuse the issues which is ironic because that's apparently your main argument on social conservatives.
Someone already said it & I agree the conservatives have ceded social issues to the liberals for far to long and know that conservatives stand a fair chance of winning the issue back you want them to surrender and play nice once again to appease part of the base at the expense of the other,along with crossover votes social issues may garner.
Doesn't make any sense to me.
I'd say it's more about strategy than ceding any sort of fight right now. The absolute, No. 1 issue that's in everybody's face right now isn't necessarily porn, or abortion, or any other social issue -- it's joblessness and the economy, not to mention inflation that doesn't get counted because it's mostly in food and fuel prices.
Gotta get a handle on the economy, begin to turn things around, then it's time to address some of those other issues -- if politically expedient and if the cost of waging that war doesn't result in losing the House and Senate and the Presidency again.
One step at a time.
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Economy & jobs and by extension inflation are social issues as well as economic ones. why alienate part of the base just to appease an other.
No one is saying advance two dozen issues,you are just trying to confuse the issues which is ironic because that's apparently your main argument on social conservatives.
Someone already said it & I agree the conservatives have ceded social issues to the liberals for far to long and know that conservatives stand a fair chance of winning the issue back you want them to surrender and play nice once again to appease part of the base at the expense of the other,along with crossover votes social issues may garner.
Doesn't make any sense to me.
Why piss off wonen regarding contraception, who by the way have voted Democrat in past Presidentila elections, when you do not have to go there. Plus, you have not been paying attention if you don't think that the two front runners, especially Santorum, does not comes up with a NEW issue practically every week. Like I said before, Repubs need to make the election about jobs, Obamacare, unemployment, taxes, energy, etc. Obama would love it to be about abortion, porn, contraception, etc. FYI, Obama wins if he can frame the election and deflect away from his record.
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Why piss off wonen regarding contraception, who by the way have voted Democrat in past Presidentila elections, when you do not have to go there. Plus, you have not been paying attention if you don't think that the two front runners, especially Santorum, does not comes up with a NEW issue practically every week. Like I said before, Repubs need to make the election about jobs, Obamacare, unemployment, taxes, energy, etc. Obama would love it to be about abortion, porn, contraception, etc. FYI, Obama wins if he can frame the election and deflect away from his record.
Ah it is not I that needs to notice anything. The women upset about the contraception issue and others are upset at obamacare, Yea we can cede the issue to the left and loose the female vote again & again but why should we. Is political purity that important.
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Ah it is not I that needs to notice anything. The women upset about the contraception issue and others are upset at obamacare, Yea we can cede the issue to the left and loose the female vote again & again but why should we. Is political purity that important.
Repubs have lost the female vote in the last several election. So, let's keep pissing them off. If I am not mistaken, several women on this board think that Repub men should keep their trap shut about the contraception issue.
I want Obama to lose the election as badly as anyone here. Moral issues are very important but they will not put a Repub in the WH. If that was the case, we could run someone like Billy Graham's son who would be a hell of an improvement over what we have now. Furthermore, Repubs have never ceded the issue of morality to the left that I know about.
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Ah it is not I that needs to notice anything. The women upset about the contraception issue and others are upset at obamacare, Yea we can cede the issue to the left and loose the female vote again & again but why should we. Is political purity that important.
The issue is freedom of religion. The left has been somewhat successful at counterfeiting the issue to contraception and women's rights. Not one conservative should get caught up in that lib sleight of hand.
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Repubs have lost the female vote in the last several election. So, let's keep pissing them off. If I am not mistaken, several women on this board think that Repub men should keep their trap shut about the contraception issue.
I want Obama to lose the election as badly as anyone here. Moral issues are very important but they will not put a Repub in the WH. If that was the case, we could run someone like Billy Graham's son who would be a hell of an improvement over what we have now. Furthermore, Repubs have never ceded the issue of morality to the left that I know about.
Do you not see that the birth control issue is a red herring? a red herring by the Democrats because they can't run on the economy, and as far as the right goes? this isn't about birth control, this is about who should be paying for it, and I'm a Republican and I'm not 1 bit offended by Republican men talking about it, nor am I aware of other Republican women who want men to keep their "trap shut".
Please give us more credit, we see how and why this issue is being framed, and that's what's insulting to us. As far as morality goes? I wish Romney would talk about it more, if anything our society has become non-moral, and lack of morality costs a lot of $, children being born out of wedlock at high rates costs us $, children not being told the difference between right and wrong costs society a lot of $, people stealing benefits left and right and their lack of morality costs us $. We could very easily win on the morality issue if we had the right person framing the argument.
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Do you not see that the birth control issue is a red herring? a red herring by the Democrats because they can't run on the economy, and as far as the right goes? this isn't about birth control, this is about who should be paying for it, and I'm a Republican and I'm not 1 bit offended by Republican men talking about it, nor am I aware of other Republican women who want men to keep their "trap shut".
Please give us more credit, we see how and why this issue is being framed, and that's what's insulting to us. As far as morality goes? I wish Romney would talk about it more, if anything our society has become non-moral, and lack of morality costs a lot of $, children being born out of wedlock at high rates costs us $, children not being told the difference between right and wrong costs society a lot of $, people stealing benefits left and right and their lack of morality costs us $. We could very easily win on the morality issue if we had the right person framing the argument.
Quiet woman the men are talking. :lmao:
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I'd say it's more about strategy than ceding any sort of fight right now. The absolute, No. 1 issue that's in everybody's face right now isn't necessarily porn, or abortion, or any other social issue -- it's joblessness and the economy, not to mention inflation that doesn't get counted because it's mostly in food and fuel prices.
Gotta get a handle on the economy, begin to turn things around, then it's time to address some of those other issues -- if politically expedient and if the cost of waging that war doesn't result in losing the House and Senate and the Presidency again.
One step at a time.
Eupher I gave you a Hi5. Fuel prices, joblessness, food prices should be on the front burner. These petty things should stay in the privacy of a doctor's office, Not in government or Church. I think these other groups(lobbyists maybe?) are bringing up these smaller problems to cloud the important issues that need to be examined and corrected to bring our country back around.
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I think these other groups(lobbyists maybe?) are bringing up these smaller problems to cloud the important issues that need to be examined and corrected to bring our country back around.
And also to not have people concentrate on blammo's role in all of it.
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Do you not see that the birth control issue is a red herring? a red herring by the Democrats because they can't run on the economy, and as far as the right goes? this isn't about birth control, this is about who should be paying for it, and I'm a Republican and I'm not 1 bit offended by Republican men talking about it, nor am I aware of other Republican women who want men to keep their "trap shut".
Please give us more credit, we see how and why this issue is being framed, and that's what's insulting to us. As far as morality goes? I wish Romney would talk about it more, if anything our society has become non-moral, and lack of morality costs a lot of $, children being born out of wedlock at high rates costs us $, children not being told the difference between right and wrong costs society a lot of $, people stealing benefits left and right and their lack of morality costs us $. We could very easily win on the morality issue if we had the right person framing the argument.
Sure I see the birth control issue as a red herring. Who pays for birthcontrol is not a biggie for me. It is way down the list of items that are important to me. What idiot Repub congress person allowed that slut (Fluke) to testify? The Repubs won the House of R. but they sure don't act like it. Pisslosi would have never allowed that debacle if the shoe was on the other foot.
Obama would love for the election to be based on anthing but his record. If you think for one minute otherwise, I don't give you much credit on how this election is going to shake out. It is the economy stupid and that is the #1 issue. . Furtheremore, I don't have too much faith in what politicans say. They get in there and do what the hell they want, and I do not see that changing a hell of a lot.
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Sure I see the birth control issue as a red herring. Who pays for birthcontrol is not a biggie for me. It is way down the list of items that are important to me. What idiot Repub congress person allowed that slut (Fluke) to testify? The Repubs won the House of R. but they sure don't act like it. Pisslosi would have never allowed that debacle if the shoe was on the other foot.
Obama would love for the election to be based on anthing but his record. If you think for one minute otherwise, I don't give you much credit on how this election is going to shake out. It is the economy stupid and that is the #1 issue. . Furtheremore, I don't have too much faith in what politicans say. They get in there and do what the hell they want, and I do not see that changing a hell of a lot.
Pelosi brought Fluke into a special hearing that she she set up. The gop refused to let Fluke testify at their original hearing.
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Sure I see the birth control issue as a red herring. Who pays for birthcontrol is not a biggie for me. It is way down the list of items that are important to me. What idiot Repub congress person allowed that slut (Fluke) to testify? The Repubs won the House of R. but they sure don't act like it. Pisslosi would have never allowed that debacle if the shoe was on the other foot.
Obama would love for the election to be based on anthing but his record. If you think for one minute otherwise, I don't give you much credit on how this election is going to shake out. It is the economy stupid and that is the #1 issue. . Furtheremore, I don't have too much faith in what politicans say. They get in there and do what the hell they want, and I do not see that changing a hell of a lot.
Fluke did not testify before congress, she was in a press conference with Pelosi, congress told her, no when she asked to go before them since they didn't have time to check her credentials out beforehand. The whole thing was cooked up by Pelosi.
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Quiet woman the men are talking. :lmao:
You got it ass backwards. :yahoo: