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Title: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: Chris_ on March 12, 2012, 10:50:23 AM
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Justice Department files objection to Texas voter ID law

Associated Press (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/12/justice-department-files-objection-to-texas-voter-id-law/#ixzz1ouzFZPMp)

What's next?  A lawsuit from the state that takes a decade to make it's way through the courts?
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: Kyle Ricky on March 12, 2012, 10:56:16 AM
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The Justice Department is objecting to a new photo ID law in Texas for voters, saying the state has failed to demonstrate that the the law is not discriminatory by design against Hispanic voters.

EH? The only thing I see it doing is keeping the illegal immigrants from voting. Which I believe they did in 2008? Some liberal judge agrees with Obama.
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: formerlurker on March 12, 2012, 11:41:12 AM
What % of those Hispanic registered voters who don't have an id actually vote, because the number would drop dramatically I would imagine. 

The state just needs to break down that data.   Voting records are public documents.  So are records of individuals who have a state issued ids.   Do your homework Texas.   
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: Chris_ on March 12, 2012, 11:45:44 AM
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About 11 percent of Hispanic voters reportedly lack state-issued identification.

Perez added that the number of people lacking any personal ID or driver's license issued by the state ranges from from 603,892 to 795,955, but of that span, 29-38 percent of them are Hispanic.

"According to the state's own data, a Hispanic registered voter is at least 46.5 percent, and potentially 120.0 percent, more likely than a non-Hispanic registered voter to lack this identification," Perez wrote.
Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/12/justice-department-files-objection-to-texas-voter-id-law/#ixzz1ovD3E9oX)
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: Splashdown on March 12, 2012, 11:48:45 AM
The holder Justice Department:

Proving you are who you say you are? illegal.

This:
(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/black-panther.jpg)

Perfectly fine.
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: NHSparky on March 12, 2012, 11:53:19 AM
What % of those Hispanic registered voters who don't have an id actually vote, because the number would drop dramatically I would imagine. 

The state just needs to break down that data.   Voting records are public documents.  So are records of individuals who have a state issued ids.   Do your homework Texas.   

The DOJ is suing/blocking the Texas law in order for them to prove a negative, specifically:

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the state has failed to demonstrate that the the law is not discriminatory by design


And as you are well aware, you cannot disprove a negative.  Sorry, but the burden of proof should be on the DOJ that this IS in fact discriminatory and that DOJ, not the state, needs to back up their assertions with facts.

Your ball.
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: Zeus on March 12, 2012, 12:56:47 PM
I've always been asked for pic ID before I get a voting ballot ?  Majority of the time that person knows me.
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: dixierose on March 12, 2012, 01:10:50 PM
The State of GA gives FREE voter ID cards to registered voters who do not have ID.
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: mrclose on March 12, 2012, 01:18:59 PM
How does Mexico handle it's elections and voter ID laws?

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Mexico, is often cited as an example when the subject of Voter I.D. cards is discussed. Indeed, The Mexican Voter I.D. card has nine security characteristics, including a fingerprint, a photograph, watermarks and holograms. What is more, in Mexico, the lists of electors that are distributed to political parties include the photo and the full name and address of the electors.


Mexico implemented a Voter I.D. card in 1990 in the wake of a vast reform begun twenty years earlier to clean up electoral practices. In particular, this reform gave rise to the creation of the Federal electoral institute (FEI), an independent electoral commission, as well as a series of legislative and administrative measures. According to Mr. José Woldenberg Karakowsky, FEI president, the integrity and transparency of elections required drastic measures. These measures must be seen, according to Mr. Karakowsky, as the response to the historical "unreliability"  of Mexico’s electoral process.

http://www.electionsquebec.qc.ca/english/news-detail.php?id=609
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: DLR Pyro on March 12, 2012, 02:01:20 PM

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About 11 percent of Hispanic voters reportedly lack state-issued identification.
Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/12/justice-department-files-objection-to-texas-voter-id-law/#ixzz1ovD3E9oX)

and why is that?  Because they are illegal or just plain too lazy to apply for a state issued ID?
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: Kyle Ricky on March 12, 2012, 02:33:06 PM
Obama needs the illegal immigrant vote to get re-elected
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: JohnnyReb on March 12, 2012, 03:31:36 PM
The holder Justice Department:

Proving you are who you say you are? illegal.

This:
(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/black-panther.jpg)

Perfectly fine.

They look so cute all dressed up like that, so big, so strong, so brave...why don't they try that in the deep south?
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: Kyle Ricky on March 12, 2012, 03:48:20 PM
The holder Justice Department:

Proving you are who you say you are? illegal.

This:
(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/black-panther.jpg)

Perfectly fine.

I wonder if they will make a return appearance this year?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: DLR Pyro on March 12, 2012, 05:39:26 PM
I wonder if they will make a return appearance this year?
Of course they will now that they know holder has their back.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: docstew on March 12, 2012, 05:55:24 PM
Of course they will now that they know holder has their back.

I wouldn't bet on it making much of a difference. States where this would happen would go blue anyway. When Obama does lose, the new AG won't be as forgiving...
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: obumazombie on March 12, 2012, 06:06:08 PM
I wonder if they will make a return appearance this year?
Dude on the left is a big time racist agitator, in the vein of "The black society".
Title: Re: Re: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: thundley4 on March 12, 2012, 06:54:42 PM
I wouldn't bet on it making much of a difference. States where this would happen would go blue anyway. When Obama does lose, the new AG won't be as forgiving...

I hope that the new  AG investigates Holder.
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: Ptarmigan on March 12, 2012, 10:25:39 PM
How does Mexico handle it's elections and voter ID laws?

http://www.electionsquebec.qc.ca/english/news-detail.php?id=609

That is really stringent.
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: mrclose on March 12, 2012, 11:43:06 PM
That is really stringent.
And racist no doubt! :whistling:
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: obumazombie on March 14, 2012, 12:41:03 AM
And racist no doubt! :whistling:
How dare those mexicans insist that voters have a picture ID card to vote in mexican elections ?
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: mrclose on March 14, 2012, 03:15:55 AM
If you don't want to get a state ID or If you cannot afford an ID card, how about we let you go down to the local precinct in your district and pick up a free copy of your rap sheet.

This will carry all pertinent information such as photo, proof of address and anything else that may or may not be required by your local election board. :rotf:
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: Ptarmigan on March 14, 2012, 02:57:33 PM
And racist no doubt! :whistling:

Racism is quite pervasive in Mexico.
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: rich_t on March 14, 2012, 03:06:41 PM
I'd love to see Perry say "screw you" and tell the state to proceed as planned.

I view this as a 10th amendment issue.
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: IassaFTots on March 14, 2012, 03:29:24 PM
I'd love to see Perry say "screw you" and tell the state to proceed as planned.I view this as a 10th amendment issue.

You and me both. 
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: docstew on March 14, 2012, 03:49:28 PM
I'd love to see Perry say "screw you" and tell the state to proceed as planned.

I view this as a 10th amendment issue.

It unquestionably is, since states are given the Constitutional authority to hold their own elections. Further, since some states CAN have voter ID laws (such as IN, among others) without getting DOJ approval, it could be argued that citizens of the states that are required to get DOJ approval do not enjoy equal protection under the law that their vote will count.
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: rich_t on March 14, 2012, 03:56:43 PM
The following are states that require photo ID for all voters, however a provisional ballot is not granted if a voter does not bring a photo ID to the polls in these states.

    * Alaska
    * Alabama - Passed a stricter law in 2011, but it does not take effect until 2014, pending DOJ approval.[3]
    * Arizona
    * Arkansas
    * Connecticut
    * Colorado
    * Delaware
    * Kansas
    * Kentucky
    * Missouri
    * Montana
    * New Mexico
    * North Dakota
    * Ohio
    * Rhode Island
    * South Carolina - Passed a stricter law in 2011, but it was rejected by the DOJ on December 23, 2011[4]
    * Texas - Passed a stricter law in 2011. Set to go into effect January 1, 2012, pending DOJ approval.[5]
    * Tennessee - Passed a stricter law in 2011, goes into effect January 1, 2012
    * Virginia
    * Washington
    * Wisconsin

More info at link:

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/State_by_State_Voter_ID_Laws
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: Kyle Ricky on March 14, 2012, 04:18:19 PM
There is a big deal over Texas because Obama will need the illegal immigrant vote to get re-elected. I wouldn't be surprised if they bus people over from Mexico just to vote.
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: Texacon on March 14, 2012, 04:19:19 PM
The State of GA gives FREE voter ID cards to registered voters who do not have ID.

The new Texas law also has provisions for free voter eligibility certificates.  You can also use your drivers license, passport, concealed handgun permit, voter registration card ...

KC
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: CG6468 on March 14, 2012, 04:20:16 PM
There is a big deal over Texas because Obama will need the illegal immigrant vote to get re-elected. I wouldn't be surprised if they bus people over from Mexico just to vote.

I'd be surprised if you weren't 100% correct.
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: IassaFTots on March 14, 2012, 04:30:06 PM
The new Texas law also has provisions for free voter eligibility certificates.  You can also use your drivers license, passport, concealed handgun permit, voter registration card ...

KC

Last year, or the year before (whenever we voted for Perry last)  I couldn't find my voters registration card to vote, I showed the polling place my DL and I could vote.  Seriously, it makes it so much easier. 
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: obumazombie on March 14, 2012, 04:32:14 PM
There is a big deal over Texas because Obama will need the illegal immigrant vote to get re-elected. I wouldn't be surprised if they bus people over from Mexico just to vote.
I have just the bus for them.
The canadian made Magical Misery dunderBlunderBus Presidential tour bus that owebuma threw Jeremiah Wright, and owebuma's white grandmother underneath.
By Mattel.
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: Texacon on March 14, 2012, 06:14:52 PM
Last year, or the year before (whenever we voted for Perry last)  I couldn't find my voters registration card to vote, I showed the polling place my DL and I could vote.  Seriously, it makes it so much easier. 

Part of the problem is they can't ask for ID now. Hell I used my business card one year when I forgot my wallet.
Title: Re: Obama DOJ Blocks Law Requiring Texas Residents to Show Photo ID Before Voting
Post by: Zeus on March 14, 2012, 06:41:57 PM
Last year, or the year before (whenever we voted for Perry last)  I couldn't find my voters registration card to vote, I showed the polling place my DL and I could vote.  Seriously, it makes it so much easier. 

I more often then not don't take my voter registration card to the polling place. My DL and a check of the voter registration rolls are good enough to get a ballot.

like I said I have to show an ID to get a ballot and theses folks know me. The voting place is a Baptist church building  :p