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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on March 08, 2012, 06:41:10 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002398778
Ah.
The old IWW--"I Won't Work."
Taverner (48,217 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
So what does everyone think of the Industrial Workers of the World?
I like 'em!
To me they represent the reasonable mix of Anarchist and Socialist principles.
One big union...
Workers of the World Unite!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Workers_of_the_World
http://www.iww.org/
CAPHAVOC (583 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
1. I only care
About the workers here who are getting screwed. The rest of the world...KMA!
white_wolf (3,961 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
7. You are playing right into the capitalist's hands.
The ruling class is not divided by nations, why should the working class? The struggle against capital is international.
socialist_n_TN (6,681 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
9. Hear! Hear!..........
And we'll NEVER defeat international capitalism by division into individual countries. It's all of us or none of us. That's actually TRUER today than it was a century ago and it was VERY true then.
CAPHAVOC (583 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
12. Well
I am not in a struggle. I just want the people of the USA to do well. We are way topheavy at the moment. You may be playing in to the Communists hands my friend. Give the USA a chance. I have been around the 3rd world. It sucks. I do not want to go there.
white_wolf (3,961 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
14. I've given the USA a chance.
It's capitalist system is failing and it doesn't look like Keynesianism can save it this time.
CAPHAVOC (583 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
34. I keep scratching my head
In amazement at how it keeps on keeping on....Do you?
Cleita (56,963 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
31. What's wrong with communists?
I'm not talking about Soviet style totalitarian regime communism, which is what I think you have in mind, but the kind that is practiced in monasteries and kibbutz. I don't want a nation to be communist but communist institutions within that nation like employee owned cooperatives are helpful to the workers and for workers to do this they must organize into unions.
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I'm a worker, not of the world, but in the United States of America. I do my job and go home. I get a paycheck, but I don't think I should have much control over the company. If I get dissatisfied, I'll look for a job elsewhere. One thing I will not do is unite. You socialist and communist bastards can just kiss my ass.
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Oasis_ (234 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
11. It's nearly impossible
to get 25 people in any random shop to even give the time of day to a Union organizer, much less take the necessary steps to form one.
Yet you guys wanna unite the entire planet?
Utterly ridiculous.
Oasis
Response to Oasis_ (Reply #11)
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 10:21 PM
LoZoccolo (29,003 posts)
13. Score one for Oasis. n/t
:lmao:
Oasis then goes on to say
Oasis_ (234 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
24. Fair enough
However, when 50% or so of the populace HATE Unions, and another 25% have favorable impression (with the remaining 25% indifferent) but believe they're nothing but a relic of a bygone era--you're going to have extraordinary problems even attempting to organize.
I'm a product of a strong union family. I'm very supportive of organized labor. If it weren't for my Father's Union I wouldn't be where I'm at today. His union (which he was President of the local) put food on the table and my brothers and I through college. I'm forever indebted to the union movement.
At some point, however, we have to deal in reality. The Socialists and Communists have, in small part co-opted the movement (as a few posters on this thread gleefully attest).
That's a reason so many individuals are so reluctant to associate with anything relating to or involving unions. Purge the Communist agitators and radicals and we'd have a much, MUCH easier time organizing.
It simply cannot (nor should it, imo) as a movement primarily be driven by the Socialist and Communist element. Many, many Union members of the past were veterans and ardent supporters of the United States and to a significant degree out Capitalist system. Some weren't--of course--but the vast majority were.
Somehow, some way that was lost, and it's partially (although not even close to entirely) to blame for the vast reduction in overall membership, strength and collective bargaining power.
Oasis
You see, DUmmies, a great deal of people do indeed find something wrong with Communism.
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socialist_n_TN (6,681 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
9. Hear! Hear!..........
And we'll NEVER defeat international capitalism by division into individual countries. It's all of us or none of us. That's actually TRUER today than it was a century ago and it was VERY true then.
Mind you, these are the same people who are always bitching about the outsourcing of American jobs.
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white_wolf (3,961 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
14. I've given the USA a chance.
It's capitalist system is failing and it doesn't look like Keynesianism can save it this time.
THE STUPID is strong in this one.
So much wrong in one sentence.
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Uh-oh, Oasis, your posts are dangerously accurate, I see granite in your future! Heretical desecration of the DUmmies idols! Alert! Alert!
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Someone should beat taverner with a shovel. Kind of like in Blazing Saddles with Slim Pickins.
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Someone should beat taverner with a shovel. Kind of like in Blazing Saddles with Slim Pickins.
Naaah . . . a hammer. :hammer:
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Naaah . . . a hammer. :hammer:
...or set him on fire and then try to put it out with an icepick (Asbestos gloves recommended).
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Uh-oh, Oasis, your posts are dangerously accurate, I see granite in your future! Heretical desecration of the DUmmies idols! Alert! Alert!
Yeah, That whole moment of clarity doen't go over well with the DUmmie community.
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...or set him on fire and then try to put it out with an icepick (Asbestos gloves recommended).
As long as napalm is used to start the fire, I'm in. :fuelfire: