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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ptarmigan on March 06, 2012, 10:58:35 PM
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American Muslims Show Support for NY Police
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/03/american_muslims_show_support_for.html
Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, founding member American Islamic Leadership Coalition (AILC) www.americanislamicleadership.org said his words at a podium in front of New York Police Headquarters to voice his support for Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly and dispel the politically correct trope that the police are spying on mosques. A Google search on "spying on mosques" brings 3,950,000 results, but Dr. Jasser, a devout Muslim and U.S. military veteran physician, had brought his own group of speakers -- accompanying Congressman Peter King -- to reply to that charge. And Jasser wasn't finished with his own reply. A group of news outlet video cameras and press, from Fox News to Long Island cable television to a Hispanic station were joined by twenty still photographers and a crowd of about seventy people on a Monday morning were at One Police Plaza to hear and see.
Although not present, Nonie Darwish, in several of her books, talks about extremists following Muslims who seek a better life in North America and intimidating other Muslims into silence or compliance with their extremist aims. The speakers in New York came to tell everyone that there were people who would not put up with this. In fact, before the speakers began, I had asked Gregg Edgar, who handled public relations for the event, why this group of Muslims wasn't afraid to speak. Having worked with them, he quickly replied that they felt they had no choice and could no longer live in such fear, i.e., they were just compelled to speak publicly about their opposition to the oppressive way of life they left overseas.
The next speaker had seen her high school principal murdered in the Iranian revolution because she was a woman and the Secretary of Education. Manda Zand Ervin, Founder of the Alliance for Iranian Women, took to the podium to say,
Phyllis Chesler, noted feminist author who has criticized the New Left for not supporting Muslim women -- and for their growing anti-Semitism, could not stay away either. When I asked her the stock interview question, "Why are you here today?" she smiled at me and said, "Are you kidding?"
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This idea that just because someone is from the Middle East makes them Muslim is nonsense.
Not all Christians are truly Christian and not all Muslims are truly Muslim. The vast majority of Muslims are only Muslim by name (they don't practice anything from their religion but claim to be Muslims because that was how they were brought up).
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This idea that just because someone is from the Middle East makes them Muslim is nonsense.
Not all Christians are truly Christian and not all Muslims are truly Muslim. The vast majority of Muslims are only Muslim by name (they don't practice anything from their religion but claim to be Muslims because that was how they were brought up).
Cyrus, can you provide me with examples of Muslims standing up to protest or denounce crimes/bombings/killings caused by Muslims? I would like to believe you are right, but I can't find not one glimmer of hope that you are.
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The 5 talked about this same subject today, or yesterday. Of course Beckel pooh poohed any idea that muslims would support American ideals, and defend American liberty over islam.
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Cyrus, can you provide me with examples of Muslims standing up to protest or denounce crimes/bombings/killings caused by Muslims? I would like to believe you are right, but I can't find not one glimmer of hope that you are.
Nope, because Muslims support terror.
Why? Because in the same way Americans support American troops, Muslims support the resistance fighters. Americans see dead American soldiers and their families, Muslims see dead Iraqis and Afghans and their families. To understand why Muslims support terrorism, crimes, killings, and violence, you must imagine if the USA was invaded and American resistance fighters engaged in a war with the occupants. Contrary to the politically correct view that Iraqis and Afghans like Americans, the reality is that they hate Americans. Why? Because they are Muslim and have an innate hate for the "kufars"? Well, that is a simplistic view and probably has something to do with it, certainly, Muslims are tribal people. But besides that the main reason they hate Americans is because Americans kill their families and harass them regularly and are in their land.
That being said, what I was trying to say in my original statement was that many Muslims are only Muslim by name. They were born Muslim and identify as Muslims, but they do not actually practice or care about the religion. People who automatically equate every single Middle Eastern person to being a fundamentalist Muslim are idiots. In case you want an example of the "Muslims" I am referring to, here you go:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc3x26MvjmI[/youtube]
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Cyrus, can you provide me with examples of Muslims standing up to protest or denounce crimes/bombings/killings caused by Muslims? I would like to believe you are right, but I can't find not one glimmer of hope that you are.
I can understand why the westernised Muslims do not speak up. FEAR, their family's live in the ME and if they speak up in America their family may be tortured or killed.
We have to believe that the Muslims that come here and leave behind family have a hard time escaping their roots as the Monsters follow them here and in a way still hold their family's hostage.
All the storeys of Sharia used to explain parents killing their children, this is peer pressure from the Imam to keep their people in line. These people who live in America are terrorised by those in their home land with threats against their family still living there.
These Muslims are true slaves to their faith and the land they left family behind in. Their family's are held hostage to insure the people that left will still tow the line.
Horrid to think that ones family can and will be tortured for your speaking out against the country they live in.
Iassa, what would you do if you lived in a country like Iran and found away to get your wife and kids out to come to America?? Had to leave all family behind, then learn that the government and religious leaders were watching you in America.? Just one misstep, daughter refuses to wear the head gear to school, wants to date an wear makeup.
You hear your mother was drowned because of your daughters action, what to do???? Inman tells you that she has to die or 5 cousins and an Aunt will loose their heads for the actions of the child------
You tell the child all this but she says "screw you all, I do not know these people and I am in America."
So if one thinks Hitler was EVIL, check out a society that makes parents have to decide between their wayward child and 25 members of their family.
The American Muslims from the ME will do nothing that may mean their family is tortured, beheaded or killed by their actions here in America.
We are dealing with people that tried to escape Monsters, but they followed them here and still hold them in slavery to them.
This is why the American Muslims do not speak out, if they do their family in their country will chop off a leg or arm of a child relitive and UPS it to them.
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I can understand why the westernised Muslims do not speak up. FEAR, their family's live in the ME and if they speak up in America their family may be tortured or killed.
Vesta, you have this orientalist view of the citizens of Middle Eastern nations being in fear of everything. The reason they support terror is because they believe that terror is right, they believe that one side is wrong and the other side is right. Muslims support Palestine because it is Muslim for example, no other reason. You are trying to complicate something that is very simple to understand.
Iassa, what would you do if you lived in a country like Iran and found away to get your wife and kids out to come to America?? Had to leave all family behind, then learn that the government and religious leaders were watching you in America.? Just one misstep, daughter refuses to wear the head gear to school, wants to date an wear makeup.
I have spoken to many Iranian-Americans and Iranian-Europeans, they never wear head gear and they look no different from Americans and Europeans. Also speaking of Iranian women, most Iranian women in Iran wear makeup as well. Iranians are self-hating people who worship American and European culture.
Typical Iranian couple (in Iran):
(http://i.imgur.com/xwVTw.jpg)
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Quote from Cyrus...
"But besides that the main reason they hate Americans is because Americans kill their families and harass them regularly and are in their land."
I think you are way off base with this comment. It is a wide sweeping assertion, and it is provably false. Then there is the issue of "Their land".
Deed and title are by far and away the best way to determine ownership and control of land. The second best way is by winning it or defending it in a war. I reject your insinuation that Israel is "Their (muslim) land".
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Quote from Cyrus...
"But besides that the main reason they hate Americans is because Americans kill their families and harass them regularly and are in their land."
I think you are way off base with this comment. It is a wide sweeping assertion, and it is provably false. Then there is the issue of "Their land".
Deed and title are by far and away the best way to determine ownership and control of land. The second best way is by winning it or defending it in a war. I reject your insinuation that Israel is "Their (muslim) land".
I'm talking about Iraq and Afghanistan.
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I'm talking about Iraq and Afghanistan.
So, Iraq and Afghanistan loved us, and were strong allies before we were "in their land" ?
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So, Iraq and Afghanistan loved us, and were strong allies before we were "in their land" ?
I doubt it, but war didn't help. As for Afghanistan, the average Afghan probably didn't even know America existed.
Think about Iran for instance, before America overthrew Iran's secular democracy, there was no anti-Americanism present in Iran.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYutojeC5Kk[/youtube]
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy3KDYE5KQE[/youtube]
Everything has an effect. Both sides are to blame in these conflicts. Keep conversing with me because I enjoy educating you.
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Do you mean when the Shah was deposed ?
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Do you mean when the Shah was deposed ?
No, in 1953 when Mossadeq was disposed through coup.
That being said, the establishment of an Islamic Republic was one of the worst mistakes in Iranian history, the only upside of it is that it's made Iranians anti-Islamic. The Iranian hostage takers made a terrible mistake and their actions were disgusting. The American people had every right to hate Iranians at that time in history. However, most Iranians today are under 40 and were either not born or were children when the revolution happened.
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No, in 1953 when Mossadeq was disposed through coup.
That being said, the establishment of an Islamic Republic was one of the worst mistakes in Iranian history, the only upside of it is that it's made Iranians anti-Islamic. The Iranian hostage takers made a terrible mistake and their actions were disgusting. The American people had every right to hate Iranians at that time in history. However, most Iranians today are under 40 and were either not born or were children when the revolution happened.
Somehow generational hatred gets passed on in that part of the world. It would be nice if each new generation had no prejudices, but that's not what we have.
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Somehow generational hatred gets passed on in that part of the world. It would be nice if each new generation had no prejudices, but that's not what we have.
New generation does not have any prejudice, maybe in the far margins. Also what is up with your statements like "Somehow generational hatred gets passed on in that part of the world", so annoying when you say generalized nonsense like that. You have to be one of the most ignorant people I've ever met on the Middle East, your sweeping generalizations are seriously annoying and are based off nothing more than ignorance.
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New generation does not have any prejudice, maybe in the far margins. Also what is up with your statements like "Somehow generational hatred gets passed on in that part of the world", so annoying when you say generalized nonsense like that. You have to be one of the most ignorant people I've ever met on the Middle East, your sweeping generalizations are seriously annoying and are based off nothing more than ignorance.
Would you say that other parts of the world pass on generational hatred more, or less than "that part of the world" ? Say Europe, The far east, the pacific, the Americas. Be objective, if you can.
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Cyrus has already admitted that the Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan hate Americans/foreigners simply because we're there and not what we're doing there, so it should come to no surprise to anybody that "sweeping generalizations" such as obumazombie described aren't all that far off the mark.
I mean, it seems completely understandable that Muslims should indoctrinate their own kind with hate and distrust, simply because cyrus says so.
:popcorn:
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Would you say that other parts of the world pass on generational hatred more, or less than "that part of the world" ? Say Europe, The far east, the pacific, the Americas. Be objective, if you can.
I have no interest in generalizing or playing into your orientalist narrative of the Middle East.
Cyrus has already admitted that the Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan hate Americans/foreigners simply because we're there and not what we're doing there, so it should come to no surprise to anybody that "sweeping generalizations" such as obumazombie described aren't all that far off the mark.
I mean, it seems completely understandable that Muslims should indoctrinate their own kind with hate and distrust, simply because cyrus says so.
:popcorn:
Yeah only difference being I said Iraq and Afghanistan, obumazombie said "in that part of the world". There is a big difference there.
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Yeah only difference being I said Iraq and Afghanistan, obumazombie said "in that part of the world". There is a big difference there.
do you mean to suggest that Iraq and Afghanistan are NOT in "that part of the world"?
Do you truly enjoy being obtuse and thick? Do you have to work at it or is it easy for you?
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New generation does not have any prejudice, maybe in the far margins. Also what is up with your statements like "Somehow generational hatred gets passed on in that part of the world", so annoying when you say generalized nonsense like that. You have to be one of the most ignorant people I've ever met on the Middle East, your sweeping generalizations are seriously annoying and are based off nothing more than ignorance.
Based on your latest statements, Cyrus, you have absolutely nothing to call anyone out on.
Zero.
Zilch.
Nada.
Null set.