LuckyTheDog
Talking points: What to tell people who say "Obamacare forces us to buy health insurance"
Last edited Thu Mar 1, 2012, 10:19 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
The Affordable Care Act does not force anyone to buy anything. There are no criminal penalties for not having health insurance.
The act does, however, create a tax that people without health insurance would pay if their income is above a certain level. The idea is that, because we all agree that such people should not simply be denied care, they should compensate society for the risk they are unloading onto the rest of us. But, heck, the law does not even create criminal penalties for refusing to pay the tax.
One can argue the wisdom of the law and the way it was written. But never before has anyone questioned the Congress' ability to levy a tax. Only a supreme act of judicial activism would find that, in this case alone, the taxing power of Congress is null and void.
And, oh, btw.. do you know where the idea of the "individual mandate" came from? It's an old Republican idea hatched by the Heritage Foundation. So, if it's a "socialist idea," then those are the socialists who are to blame for it.
saras
1. How about "so what? you have to buy car insurance too"
...and the insurance isn't to help YOU. It's to help other people, and to keep them from paying for you.
If you're willing to set enough cash aside that you could pay medical bills for the rest of your life if you are paralyzed from the neck down tomorrow, then I'll let you off the hook for insurance. But otherwise, you're going to expect someone other than yourself to pay for the medical care, right?
saras
1. How about "so what? you have to buy car insurance too"
...and the insurance isn't to help YOU. It's to help other people, and to keep them from paying for you.
If you're willing to set enough cash aside that you could pay medical bills for the rest of your life if you are paralyzed from the neck down tomorrow, then I'll let you off the hook for insurance. But otherwise, you're going to expect someone other than yourself to pay for the medical care, right?
Lucky the Dog says,
The act does, however, create a tax that people without health insurance would pay if their income is above a certain level.
saras
1. How about "so what? you have to buy car insurance too"
...and the insurance isn't to help YOU. It's to help other people, and to keep them from paying for you.
If you're willing to set enough cash aside that you could pay medical bills for the rest of your life if you are paralyzed from the neck down tomorrow, then I'll let you off the hook for insurance. But otherwise, you're going to expect someone other than yourself to pay for the medical care, right?
You and your ilk may call it a "tax", but mandatory punitive payment for failure to comply with the provision of a statute is more accurately called a "fine".Baby Ruth Jaws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th_aBzrV37M)
Calling a turd a Snickers bar doesn't make it chocolately good.
When is Obama going to force auto insurance companies to cover the cost of gas and everything else?Wait until he makes all those bus- and subway-riding big city liberals who don't own cars buy policies to cover uninsured and unlicensed drivers in other states.
When is Obama going to force auto insurance companies to cover the cost of gas and everything else?
saras
If you're willing to set enough cash aside that you could pay medical bills for the rest of your life if you are paralyzed from the neck down tomorrow, then I'll let you off the hook for insurance. But otherwise, you're going to expect someone other than yourself to pay for the medical care, right?
Wait until he makes all those bus- and subway-riding big city liberals who don't own cars buy policies to cover uninsured and unlicensed drivers in other states.
Nah, they still won't get it. Morons.
Wonder what they say when someone asks about the 3.8% SALES TAX when selling one's house (starting in 2013) that's also included in the multi-hundred page Obamacare Bill.
That's $3800 per $100,000.
A TAX...in that bill that has "no taxes included".
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I did not know that. This should help the housing market bounce back.
0bama Hell Care was not about health care it was about taxes and government control over private lives.
You and your ilk may call it a "tax", but mandatory punitive payment for failure to comply with the provision of a statute is more accurately called a "fine".
Calling a turd a Snickers bar doesn't make it chocolately good.
Studies prove that people of religious faith are happier and healthier.
So from now on everyone must go to Church as part of the ACA's costing curve bending strategy.
You aren't forced to go to church but there will be a tax on those that refuse to do so.
If you refuse to pay the tax you will not be punished for failing to go to church, only for evading taxes.
Yeah, it used to be that if you sold your primary residency at age 55 or over and made a $100 thousand or less in "PROFIT", there was no taxes on the profit...can't have you pee-on's making money and uncle SAM not getting his fair share.
I did not know that. This should help the housing market bounce back.
0bama Hell Care was not about health care it was about taxes and government control over private lives.
Thanks to Obamacare our portion of health insurance has gone up from $684 a month to $747 a month. This is just our portion not the total cost. Dental also went up. My husband works for a start up company, how is Obamacare going to help us or my husband's company DUmmies? You are not living in reality.It's all part of his big centralized planning to "bend the cost curve down".
It's all part of his big centralized planning to "bend the cost curve down".
Wow, it took me 4 years to make 1k posts here, you did it in 21 days. Grats man.Not sure if compliment, or admonishment. Leaning away from compliment. Hopefully I have contributed something, or have caused constructive results. Hopefully quality over quantity. Not perfect, but trying to improve consistently.
Lean towards compliment :) I appreciate your voice.Thank you kindly.
AR, next time you post something that offensive, could ya at the very least include one of these:
:spork:
Have some mercy on us! :whatever:
So, the penalty is a tax again ?
Here is the thing, DUmbasses -
It can't be a tax-
Taxes are applied based on income or value (more or less)
Never has anyone been taxed for NOT buying something from a private company.
When one needs to pay a fee for refusing to comply, its a fine.
I really want to hear the Regime's argument that this is a tax, which relies on the 14th amendment, does it not? This dipshit is supposed to be a constitutional lawyer for cripes sake!
He's supposed to be "the most smartest man ever elected presidenttm" too, but I have yet to see it.
You think he could prove it in 4 more years? :lmao:
Well, he would but his school records are sealed and he can't remember which name he was using when he had them sealed.
I do.
E. Normus Dipshit
That was just one of 'em.
Probably Pat McGroyne . . .Or his two brothers, Holden, and Tug.
Clinnochio used to call taxes "Broad based contributions". See what happens if you let a lib define the terms of the debate ?
And don't forget Herbie Hind.Or Emerson Bigguns.
Or Emerson Bigguns.
Naw, couldn't be that one, it insinuates the wrong sex! He's too much of a girlie man to use that one.Well then, what about Heywood J. yablowme ?
Well then, what about Heywood J. yablowme ?