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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on February 29, 2012, 08:14:07 AM
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As far as I'm concerned the war with Iran isn't if, but when. It's as inevitable as tomorrow's sunrise. Hell, it may even come with tomorrow's sunrise.
Israel will most likely strike first as they must.
If Israel attacks, Iran will retaliate with a massive pan-regional tantrum especially since its proxy, Syria, is all but crippled by internal strife. That greatly hinders its conventional response, i.e. Hezbollah.
So Iran will lob a Whitman's Sampler of missiles across the Persian Gulf. Shipping and minor Gulf Arab states will be the likely candidates. No doubt any attack by Israel will be assumed to have occurred with the tacit if not explicit permission of the US. US naval forces and forces in Afghanistan will be subject to attacks from conventional missiles. Once that happens a larger war will commence...unless the president levels an overwhelming response.
Obama knows this.
He doesn't want a larger war, especially when half of his appeal to his base rests on his "ending" the Iraq war and drawing down in A-stan.
If Obama doesn't want a larger war his best shot is to prevent the attack by the Israelis.
Israel is pretty much already deadset on not telling us if and when they will attack. While they did not share with us prior to their attack on Saddam's Osirak reactor in 1985 they have all the more reason not to trust the WH.
So...
...suppose we detect multiple Israeli aircraft and missiles streaking towards Iran?
What are the odds that Obama would order US carrier aircraft and other airborne assets to intercept the Israeli attack so that he can claim he kept us from another, larger, regional war?
Sure, many here would be furious but this is the man that coordinates with Media Matters where "Israel-firsters" are coonsistently attacked. He doesn't think like us in terms of allies but in some grand theoretical scheme that says if the US would only do more to assuage the grievances of others there would be more peace in the world. The protest of his detractors will never figure into his calculations.
Would he, at a minimum, try to warn the Iranians even if it meant sacrificing highly classified sources and methods to convince the eternally suspicious mullahs of his sincerity?
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I ain't betting on nothing until I figure out wheather Obama is a shiite or a sunni.
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I ain't betting on nothing until I figure out wheather Obama is a shiite or a sunni.
This whole "Obama is a Manchurian Muslim!" meme is misplaced...and I mean that seriously.
Narcissists have no god except themselves.
Look at his 2+ decade preacher. As repugnant as Wright may be he is no Muslim. Every sermon out of Wright's Pulpit of Wrong is meant to inflate the ego of the gathered. "You're oppressed! You have no responsibility to care for yourself, it's them evil crackas that have hurt you! You're good! They're evil!"
That's not the Islamic 5 pillars. Yes, Islam is evil in its own right but no self-respecting Muslim would sit through 22 years of Muhammed-free preaching.
Even Obama's own attendance wasn't a matter of faith but self-serving political calculation.
Obama NOT a Muslim. He is a narcissist.
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That ain't gonna happen. However, he WILL tell the Russians it's on the way if he knows about it, and the Russians will tell the Iranians. Also the Mid-East is more densely populated than most Americans think, it is very near impossible for a strike at that distance to arrive with complete surprise even if Obozo doesn't interfere at all.
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That ain't gonna happen...
If I told you a year ago he would go on a military excursion after being pulled in by Arabs and Europeans with no discernible pay-off for the US and without so much as consulting congress while paying for it with re-appropriated appropriations in a war that would all but guarantee al Qaeda gained a national base of operations, what would you have said?
If your response would be anything short of, "Snuggs, you're on crack!" you're lying. Such a COA would be beyond the pale for any US president and breathtakingly belligerent--all things considered--for someone like Obama.
Or so we thought.
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If your response would be anything short of, "Snuggs, you're on crack!" you're lying. Such a COA would be beyond the pale for any US president and breathtakingly belligerent--all things considered--for someone like Obama.
Wrongo-bongo, Flop-top. Look back at the Kosovo War, in the previous Democrat regime. Same thing, same approach. I would have thought it unlikely despite the fact that the Dems thought the war against Serbia was an unqualified success (Despite producing an unpredictable Balkan political cluster**** and engendering the undying hatred of the Serbs for us, as well as loss of an F117 over enemy territory with the wreckage delivered directly to Russian for study). But I certainly wouldn't have said it was impossible.
Historically, the Democrat regimes are far more inclined to foreign military adventurism than Republican ones.
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I wouldn't put anything past Nobama. If he thinks it would get him re elected he's likely to do it.
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This whole "Obama is a Manchurian Muslim!" meme is misplaced...and I mean that seriously.
*snip*
Obama NOT a Muslim. He is a narcissist.
That may be true, but there is no doubt in my mind that he favors America's enemies and dislikes our traditional allies.
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Hence, the Israelis saying that they're not going to warn us that an attack is on the way, before said attack actually takes place. I tend to think that any attack will involve IDF special operations troops/Mossad operators, primarily, and maybe sub-launched missiles. The question one has to ask is this: Would the Israelis pickle off a nuclear-armed cruise missile to destroy Iranian nuclear facilities? I think they just might, and might have to.
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Would the Israelis pickle off a nuclear-armed cruise missile to destroy Iranian nuclear facilities? I think they just might, and might have to.
I think that might invite retaliatory strikes from Russia and I think Bibi knows this.
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There's no question that Barry has flat-out warned Israel not to go weapons-hot on Iran.
And then GEN Dempsey opens his yap on all kinds of fronts over the past several days, downplaying the Iranians as being "rational" and denying that he counseled the Israeli's on going weapons-hot.
Dempsey is no fool and he's not some guy that just fell off a turnip truck. In short, he's Barry's stooge and proxy statesman -- where the **** is Hillary in all of this?
I'd say no way in hell is Barry going to do anything overt against Iran or anybody else should Israel decide to preemptively strike Iran. If anything, he'll ensure that the Strait of Hormuz remains unfettered but he'll order the US Navy and Air Force to do nothing offensively. And I'd sincerely doubt that he'd overtly permit the Navy to defend themselves either, much like the ambiguous ROE he issued when Captain Richard Phillips was rescued by SEALs back in 2009. Barry issued a loophole and the SEALs took advantage of it by sniping and taking out the 3 pirates.
Barry is his own worst enemy.
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Why do you think that the joooooooooooos aren't gonna tell obumbler the raid is on?
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And then GEN Dempsey opens his yap on all kinds of fronts over the past several days, downplaying the Iranians as being "rational" and denying that he counseled the Israeli's on going weapons-hot.
Dempsey is no fool and he's not some guy that just fell off a turnip truck. In short, he's Barry's stooge and proxy statesman -- where the **** is Hillary in all of this?
It's rather peculiar, according to his bio he went from a BG star going into a Division CG billet in 2003 to four-star billet in at CENTCOM in 2008 briefly then on to another at TRADOC the same year, where he stuck for awhile. He was obviously someone's picked man, but whose? There is a tremendous amount of politics, the actual partisan kind, tied up with GO promotions due to the Senate's tight control over their promotions and appointments to positions. There seems to be something odd here.
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Why do you think that the joooooooooooos aren't gonna tell obumbler the raid is on?
Cuz they done said so.
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It's rather peculiar...
TRADOC?!?!?!
I already hate 'im!
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Quote from SGT Snuggle Bunny,
"Obama knows this."
His incompetence, inexperience, and ineptitude lead me to doubt this assertion about owebuma. I would much rather begin from the vantage that owebuma knows nothing.
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It's about an 800 mile flight from Israel to Iran so any attack would hardly be a surprise. Be that what it may Israel has a bunch of Bunker busters it bought from the USA to dispose of somewhere.
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Obama won't do squat beyond lip service to aid or hinder either side until he's sure where the world sympathies lie.
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Obama won't do squat beyond lip service to aid or hinder either side until he's sure where the world sympathies lie.
Yes, it's his lack of leadership style. Leading from behind. Barack the magic negro inaction figure. By Mattel.
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I will say this--we have a couple of carrier battle groups in the Gulf. What if Obama gave the order to ACTIVELY stop such an attack?
Not beyond the realm of possibility.
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I will say this--we have a couple of carrier battle groups in the Gulf. What if Obama gave the order to ACTIVELY stop such an attack?
Not beyond the realm of possibility.
I don't think he'd do that; it would show the rest of the world how weak we are regarding the muzzies.
Then again, there is NO figuring out what this clown can, might and will do.
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I don't think he'd do that; it would show the rest of the world how weak we are regarding the muzzies.
Then again, there is NO figuring out what this clown can, might and will do.
He has no idea until Moochelle and Bill Ayers tell him. ...and if Moochelle is on the rag.... :panic: :panic: :panic:
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I will say this--we have a couple of carrier battle groups in the Gulf. What if Obama gave the order to ACTIVELY stop such an attack?
Not beyond the realm of possibility.
While this is true, I tend to believe that CG is correct in his assessment. The Muslim world would see just how weak a leader the Obamessiah is, and react accordingly. :fuelfire:
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I will say this--we have a couple of carrier battle groups in the Gulf. What if Obama gave the order to ACTIVELY stop such an attack?
Not beyond the realm of possibility.
That doesn't fit into Barry's MO. He's spent his entire political life avoiding decision-making and ensuring that where he absolutely, positively has to make a decision, there's plausible deniability and/or somebody else takes the fall if the decision turns out poorly.
He is not going to suddenly change his MO -- especially when the stakes are so high.
Nope, he'll see how the political winds are blowing by sticking up the proverbial wet finger, and go from there. No way in hell is he going to stop the Israeli's from doing what they're going to do. Hell hath no fury like a Jooooo on a mission. :-)
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He has no idea until Moochelle and Bill Ayers tell him. ...and if Moochelle is on the rag.... :panic: :panic: :panic:
How can you tell? She looks like she's always on or in the rag.
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That doesn't fit into Barry's MO. He's spent his entire political life avoiding decision-making and ensuring that where he absolutely, positively has to make a decision, there's plausible deniability and/or somebody else takes the fall if the decision turns out poorly.
He is not going to suddenly change his MO -- especially when the stakes are so high.
Nope, he'll see how the political winds are blowing by sticking up the proverbial wet finger, and go from there. No way in hell is he going to stop the Israeli's from doing what they're going to do. Hell hath no fury like a Jooooo on a mission. :-)
Actually, that plays into his hands. Hell, it's why he needed 16 HOURS to decide whether or not to go after Bin Laden.
If it does happen and it comes out okay (no attack, nobody gets hurt, sitation defused) Barry gets a victory lap and quite possibly a second term.
If it fails, he points at Panetta, et al, and says, "Hey, it was THEIR advice!" and he thinks his hands are clean.
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Actually, that plays into his hands. Hell, it's why he needed 16 HOURS to decide whether or not to go after Bin Laden.
If it does happen and it comes out okay (no attack, nobody gets hurt, sitation defused) Barry gets a victory lap and quite possibly a second term.
If it fails, he points at Panetta, et al, and says, "Hey, it was THEIR advice!" and he thinks his hands are clean.
IIRC, it took a lot longer than 16 hours for him to decide to go after bin Laden. If the accounts I read can be believed (multiple sources, but there's some doubt about that), they were talking about bin Laden for months. The SEALs had taken at least a month to develop plans and train on the very real 95% certainty that the Abbottabad compound was bin Laden's.
My point is essentially this -- when and if Israel unleashes an attack, Barry will do NOTHING initially. He will not order attacks on either Israel or Iran and I have serious doubts that he would actually leave standing orders for the U.S. to defend themselves - commanders would do that anyway, orders or no orders, but Barry would not put his ass on the line one way or another.
But should a political opportunity come his way, say for example he sends an envoy to Israel and a cease-fire comes out of that, you betcha he'll climb on that like John Holmes on Seka.
Maybe we're both saying the same thing. Dunno. But Barry's MO in taking action first or even second? NFW.
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How can you tell? She looks like she's always on or in the rag.
She's off it one day a month....usually while on vacation without Obama.
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Actually, that plays into his hands. Hell, it's why he needed 16 HOURS to decide whether or not to go after Bin Laden.
If it does happen and it comes out okay (no attack, nobody gets hurt, sitation defused) Barry gets a victory lap and quite possibly a second term.
If it fails, he points at Panetta, et al, and says, "Hey, it was THEIR advice!" and he thinks his hands are clean.
Poor Obama, he picked one heck of time frame to become President.
It was obvious to me when he was pulled off the golf course to watch Bin Ladens take down. He looked scared to death, a what am I doing here look . He did not march into the room full of confidence, he sat in the back slumped down in his chair, a crap if this mission fails there goes my Presidency look.
Seems Someone forgot to tell him about the come as you are party everyone else knew about it and he was caught in the shower.
Strange but Obama reminds me of Frank Burns on MASH, Frank a good surgeon, Obama a good comunity fund raiser, but as a leader he is still trying to herd cats--- a train wreck.
Far as the saber rattling all over the world, Obama is really WAY out of his league. I seriously doubt any of the Brass trust him with anything but what the Public knows, he is so far out of the loop, is it any wonder Israel will not inform him of their plans??? [I bet the Pentigon knows what Isreal plans may be but are keeping it under their hats.]
We will know when there is a slow but steady Exodus of our politicians family's leaving DC to go on unplanned vacations. Word will get around in the military and our Brass will not be making long range plans to stay put.
Allot of leaves will be canceled and odd orders to the enlisted will be issued. Insane rumors will go around to cause smoke and fire so the real objective will be hidden. There is nothing like scuttle butt to cloud the waters.
Some Senior Brass will be left out of the loop, the [NTK ] need to know, will take the EGO out of some very high ups.
Very few Brass will know anything, our CIA, and all intelligence outside our military will be kept in the dark. All leaders worry about their power being taken by their military, for good reason. Any week or indecisive leader will be ushered out not so gently by their military. The allegiance is first to the country, then to the Leader.
I see how Obama is trying to weeken our military by forcing out the senior that know what they are doing ,men and woman, the less Seniors the more just the book learning folks fill their spot and the safer he is from military revolt.
Little hands on training------Yet on the other side there was the
Big complaint from EX as an instructor at NPS on Mare Island, the kids had the hands on training but had problems with the math and theory. [ this was in the time before the calculator was available, still used the side rule.]
What a mess, Obama needs to turn our experts on War loose to do their jobs, the time for talking is over.
Remember the two Japanese Ambassadors that sat in the White House to speak to our president not knowing Pearl Harbor was Bombed.
Go Isreal------get the bastards and never forget, Jesus, Mary, and Joseph was a JOOOOOOOOO.
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Don is still kickin' -- what a guy!
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That doesn't fit into Barry's MO. He's spent his entire political life avoiding decision-making and ensuring that where he absolutely, positively has to make a decision, there's plausible deniability and/or somebody else takes the fall if the decision turns out poorly.
Hnoestly, I don't think anyone to whom the Iran-Israel situation matters thinks that the 'Hold off until after the election and give diplomacy several more chances' approach will accomplish a G--damned thing except to give Iran 8 more months to close the deal on finishing a weapon. It will be positively received by a variety of very short-term thinkers across our political spectrum who just don't want any warfare, or alternatively any international economic disruption, but who are too stupid to see that neither Israel nor Iran are thinking about the short term.
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Although I think we should have attacked Iran 30 years ago (Anyone remember 1979?), I don't look for Barry to do anything. He probably thinks he can give them a speech and settle it. Or he will apologize on Israels behalf.
Another note: Obama isn't a egomaniac, he is a megalomaniac.
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Although I think we should have attacked Iran 30 years ago (Anyone remember 1979?), I don't look for Barry to do anything. He probably thinks he can give them a speech and settle it. Or he will apologize on Israels behalf.
Another note: Obama isn't a egomaniac, he is a megalomaniac.
Otherwise known as a ****ing commie idiot.
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To late...I read a German report somewhere that Iran has already tested a small nuclear device in North Korea in 2010.
I guess they're just making material for more now.
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To late...I read a German report somewhere that Iran has already tested a small nuclear device in North Korea in 2010.
I guess they're just making material for more now.
Does this mean that NK will wait for the war to start then invade SK ? Is this what it is all about, split our forces so we cannot put full man power into Israel or help SK ????
Sounds like a PLAN, keep us talking and making all kinds of diplomatic gobbledygook, put us at ease and then both Iran and NK strike at the same time??
Naturally the Japanese are in danger, Korea has never forgiven the Japanese or has Taiwan and parts of China. Not to mention Indonesia or the Philippines.
Israel has never forgiven Obama for the extreme act of discourtesy given to them by Obama. Nor have I, darn wars have started on less then how Obama treated his guest.
So many scenarios of what can happen, who will Aline with who, what strange bedfellows will come about, as in who will India back in a all out WW3 ? If Russia is smart it Will back us as the Muslims are converging on them.
This issue to rile up Africa with all the Muslim inhabitants, not to mention Europe and America Muslims.
Obama is no Teddy Roosevelt, he cannot speak softly and carry a big stick. Obama is a Don Knotts with one bullet in his gun, he just may shoot himself in the foot.
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Obama is no Teddy Roosevelt, he cannot speak softly and carry a big stick. Obama is a Don Knotts with one bullet in his gun, he just may shoot himself in the foot.
He has a small, soft, stick and his one bullet is a blank.