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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on February 24, 2012, 03:42:04 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/114127
Oh my.
irisblue (362 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
info about SSDI for depression anxiety.
to put it mildly, i am having a hard time emotionally. i bluff/act/pretend/slide by well enough in regular society to get past. i am very tired and very anxious. i do not want to pick up my triggers again...but i do not think i can be at my work situation much longer...has anyone had sucessfully gotten SSDI for depression/anxiety? i realize this is a very brief despription, but i'm only starting to think /learn about this. thanks.
happyslug (9,353 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
1. I have had clients who have won Disability do to depression/Anxiety
For Social Security Disability and Supplement Security Income (SSI) the issue is NOT if you are disabled, but will the disability last more the one year AND prevent you from doing Full Time work?
Depression/Anxiety that prevents you from showing up for work, completing tasks, doing tasks, working with Co-Workers and Supervisors, would make you unable to work and thus disabled.
Please note this requires you to comply with all reasonable medical procedures, i.e. you can NOT refuse to undergo any reasonable medical procedure that permits you to work. If you do you MUST explain why to Social Security. If SSA believes your refusal is justified not an issue but if the refusal is NOT justified then you will be denied Disability. Refusal to take Medications is rarely justifiable unless there an well known severe side affects with the medications. When it comes to operations, unless it is very minor, Social Security will rarely call the decision to refuse the operation into question. If you do what your treating medical providers tell you, not a problem, if you do NOT do as your medical providers advises you, can be a problem.
Another problem is you are working at the present time, you will have to show that you loss the job because you could NO longer do it, not that you thought you could get Disability (Thus it is better to be fired then to quit). Please note, if you are working only part time, and earning less then $1000 a Month, your continued work is NOT as issue (unless it can be shown you can do that type of work for a longer time period, i.e. 30 plus hours a week). Work is only an issue if you are working more then 30 hours a week or making more then $1000 a month.
On the other hand, Social Security will take into consideration assistance given you by your employer and co-workers who tried to make it possible for you to work, if such assistance is something extra ordinarily not what is normal in the industry (Accommodation to meet the requirements of the Americans with Disability Act can meet that requirement, if such acts were NOT normal in the type of work you are doing).
One piece of advice, on the issue of Depression/Anxiety the issue of what type of work you can do with your Depression/Anxiety is the key to the case. Often your doctors will report what are your mental restrictions, but it will take a Vocational Expert at the Administrative Law Judge hearing to report what jobs such a person can or can not do. A Vocational Expert is almost NEVER called in on the initial application, and thus most people with mental Impairments are denied. You will have to appeal for an Administrative Law Judge Hearing, and at that hearing see how the Vocation Expert report what jobs a person with the mental and physical limitation you have can do. The Administrative Law Judge generally asks the questions to the Vocational Expert. You or your attorney can also ask the Vocational Expert questions. The issue is then up to the Administrative Law Judge as to how disabled you are and if there are Jobs that exist in Substantial Numbers in the National Economy someone with your condition can do.
Notice the test is NOT if you have depression or anxiety but HOW does the Depression an/or anxiety prevent you from working.
Given you are working, you will have to show the Administrative Law Judge that you could NOT continue in your present job do to your disability. You will have to have medical evidence that shows how your disability prevents you from doing work related activities (SSA does NOT believe your doctor has the knowledge or background to decide if you are unable to work, but your doctor can only report what you can physically or mentally do given your disability, SSA will hire a Vocational Expert to report on what jobs a person with your mental and physical restrictions can do).
One last Comment on Vocational Experts. All the Vocational Experts I have run across will report there are NO full time work someone can do IF you are going to miss more then 2 days of work a month every month OR you will be off tasks more then 10% of the time (Other then Normal Break periods, which is 15 minutes in the morning, 15 minutes in the afternoon and 30 minutes for lunch). If either of those two facts are determined by the Administrative law Judge you will win, but you will have to show that one or the other situation is occurring in your current job OR will occur if you found other work.
Thus time on task and how often you miss work at your present job is an important factor in any claim for Disability.
I am including with this letter a print out I give my clients in ALL disability cases which goes into a little more detail then the above:
after which a handy-dandy guide for getting a free first-class ticket in the parlor car
The madman of Newburgh:
mdmc (28,521 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. yes
in order to get ssdi you need to prove two things -
1. you have a medical diagnosis
2. your illness keeps you from performing gainful activities.
hyphenate (12,324 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
7. The first thing you need to do is get yourself to a doctor. If you have a primary care provider, ask them to refer you to a psychiatrist (NOT a psychologist, who can't diagnose actual physical reasons behind such things as depression). You can ask your PCP about getting an anti-depressant--they usually start with Prozac, and go from there. If the initial drug is not working, they might be able to find out if there is an actual physical reason behind it, and prescribe appropriately.
Many people in the country won't go to a psychiatrist or therapist because we've attached a stigma on "mental" illness, and people won't accept that our mental health is screwed up in any way. We look weak if we use their services, when in fact, everyone gets stressed out, and could be helped greatly with help.
In fact, it would be difficult to get disability without a psychiatrist to evaluate your condition. I'm not totally sure, but I believe a psychiatrist, who is still a medical doctor, needs to be consulted with any kind of condition that impedes your ability to work.
libodem (7,709 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
9. This has been very helpful
To me. I just can't take stress from a job like I used to. I actually did get fired and was eligible for unemployment. I'm in pain all the time but I can walk. I believe I was treated unfairly at my job and it still haunts me. I can't imagine being treated like that again.
I finally got a sliding scale medical facility to accept me. I have a follow up appointment this afternoons. Then I can see a real shrink. I'm on my second appeal.
Hopefully the problems I have with my neck and back fusions plus my depression and anxiety will be documented and taken seriously.
I swear.
If franksolich were an attorney specializing in social security, I'd throw away the law books and simply consult the primitives for information about how to scam the system; the primitives know more about such things than even legal professionals.
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I didn't even read all that crap! It's all over the news that when the deadbeats' 99 weeks of unemployment are up, they switch over to disability, due to "depression" and "anxiety."
I get blue and antsy myself, but I still work. It's actually the best antidote. Sitting around the house in your robe watching The Price is Right and posting on dopey internet boards is not the cure for depression.
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First, this would be one subject where I would go to the DUmp to get real world advice.
Second, the real news, to me anyway, is that there is a DUchebag that was not already on SSDI.
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Oh F.F.S. Greece has nothing on us when it comes to deadbeats. :argh:
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When I had my stroke and was diagnosed with Takayasu's Arteritis I could have filed for disability. I didn't. In fact two months after my stroke I started watching kids (3 to start then ended up watching 4, took them all to my doctor appiontments and the grocery store too) to help with medical bills. After a couple of years I started to work again (at a school district in purchasing), started having symptoms AGAIN. Found out the other carotid, subclavian and vertibrial ateries were closing (80-90% occluded). Had to take a leave, had stints placed in all three arteries then QUIT. I was on leave for a total of two weeks before I realized I couldn't go back to work. I could still be on disability to this day if I wanted.
I would love to know the the percentage of people on DU who either are at the end of their unemployment, prepetually unemployed, are on disability or trying to get disability.
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When I had my stroke and was diagnosed with Takayasu's Arteritis I could have filed for disability. I didn't. In fact two months after my stroke I started watching kids (3 to start then ended up watching 4, took them all to my doctor appiontments and the grocery store too) to help with medical bills. After a couple of years I started to work again (at a school district in purchasing), started having symptoms AGAIN. Found out the other carotid, subclavian and vertibrial ateries were closing (80-90% occluded). Had to take a leave, had stints placed in all three arteries then QUIT. I was on leave for a total of two weeks before I realized I couldn't go back to work. I could still be on disability to this day if I wanted.
I would love to know the the percentage of people on DU who either are at the end of their unemployment, prepetually unemployed, are on disability or trying to get disability.
I wonder why 90% of the country is not on disability thanks to the medical drug Company's.
Between OTC stuff with warnings not to drive or operate machinery and the RX proscriptions that also have that warning, who can work if they have a cold, an allergy, use high/low pressure medication, take sleeping pills, have a glass of wine while on any of these drugs-------and mix the OTC with the RX then stop after work for a beer with the guys and gals, go home and ingest a Food that has high levels of Arsenic and Herbicides. Food poisioning, recalls on meat, fruit and vegetables, People are still dieing from the fiasco with cantelopes last year.-------More drugs to fight the poisons from contamination of our food.
No big wonder to me that people are going bonkers, they are a walking Chemical Soup. Then we have to add in the WEEKEND users of man made Shit------.
All these disability's people claim for themselves and children is NOT NATURAL. It has only came about in the last 30 years, when the huge numbers of children began to be classified as disabled for one reason or another.
Some Adults are slackers, but what can we say for the young kids, Yes we did blame most of it on vaccinations until that was debunked as a single source------. Has to be a combonation of all the medication and outside sources that is turning us into a Nation of Zombies.
Government states we are living years longer due to medical advances, is this true??? I visit family at peace and reading the headstones of 100 years find more then one would expect living longer then their descendants.
BTW, about 10 years ago at a used book store I picked up a SCI-Fi book written almost 40 years ago ---The subject and story was about a Company manufacturing TV Dinners that added something to the food, sold it for 50 cents and everyone went crazy for it. It Tasted great, filled them up, so good people were becoming addicted to the food. Few were cooking for themselves and everyone craved the product over home or restaurant food.
Upshot was people were starting to burst into flame for no reason, pets that were allowed to lick the plate it came with came to a bad end if they farted near an open flame.
Looking back aluminum cook ware and non stick cook ware is and has been blamed for Old Timers Disease and the Tobacco industry accused of additives to the product to boost dependence on cigarettes a bird owner I will not have non stick cookwere in my home, the fumes from a burning on pan can kill the birds and who knows what it does to our lungs.
Asbestos, a good example, at its time a wonderful material, today a silent killer.
Beg, not all the disability today is a scam, there has to be a reason millions of people become sick and loose the will to work. Social, environmental issues come in here, a wonder what is causing this loss of pride, loss of work and the children to be born ill.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/114127
Oh my.
The madman of Newburgh:
I swear.
If franksolich were an attorney specializing in social security, I'd throw away the law books and simply consult the primitives for information about how to scam the system; the primitives know more about such things than even legal professionals.
You are correct, if you want an expert in scamming the government, or any one else for that matter, the DUmp is the place to go.
Hell, I bet you couldn't toss a stone in DUmmieland without hitting someone on the government gravy train. :banghead:
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I see Vesta is as long winded as ever, heh, heh.
If DUmmies put as much effort into finfing a job as they do tryin' to get outa one, they wouldn't need assistance!
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I wonder why 90% of the country is not on disability thanks to the medical drug Company's.
Between OTC stuff with warnings not to drive or operate machinery and the RX proscriptions that also have that warning, who can work if they have a cold, an allergy, use high/low pressure medication, take sleeping pills, have a glass of wine while on any of these drugs-------and mix the OTC with the RX then stop after work for a beer with the guys and gals, go home and ingest a Food that has high levels of Arsenic and Herbicides. Food poisioning, recalls on meat, fruit and vegetables, People are still dieing from the fiasco with cantelopes last year.-------More drugs to fight the poisons from contamination of our food.
No big wonder to me that people are going bonkers, they are a walking Chemical Soup. Then we have to add in the WEEKEND users of man made Shit------.
All these disability's people claim for themselves and children is NOT NATURAL. It has only came about in the last 30 years, when the huge numbers of children began to be classified as disabled for one reason or another.
Some Adults are slackers, but what can we say for the young kids, Yes we did blame most of it on vaccinations until that was debunked as a single source------. Has to be a combonation of all the medication and outside sources that is turning us into a Nation of Zombies.
Government states we are living years longer due to medical advances, is this true??? I visit family at peace and reading the headstones of 100 years find more then one would expect living longer then their descendants.
BTW, about 10 years ago at a used book store I picked up a SCI-Fi book written almost 40 years ago ---The subject and story was about a Company manufacturing TV Dinners that added something to the food, sold it for 50 cents and everyone went crazy for it. It Tasted great, filled them up, so good people were becoming addicted to the food. Few were cooking for themselves and everyone craved the product over home or restaurant food.
Upshot was people were starting to burst into flame for no reason, pets that were allowed to lick the plate it came with came to a bad end if they farted near an open flame.
Looking back aluminum cook ware and non stick cook ware is and has been blamed for Old Timers Disease and the Tobacco industry accused of additives to the product to boost dependence on cigarettes a bird owner I will not have non stick cookwere in my home, the fumes from a burning on pan can kill the birds and who knows what it does to our lungs.
Asbestos, a good example, at its time a wonderful material, today a silent killer.
Beg, not all the disability today is a scam, there has to be a reason millions of people become sick and loose the will to work. Social, environmental issues come in here, a wonder what is causing this loss of pride, loss of work and the children to be born ill.
I do think a lot of it is work ethic. Thething that gets me about depression and anxiety is isolating and staying physically inactive exacerbates it; why would one's first thought for themselves be to isolate and sideline themselves even more? I grapple with both of these things mentioned and working out regularly helps, forcing myself to spend time with other people(even when I don't want to) helps, and finding other things to do that challenge my mind to focus rather then think about those big topics that make me anxious helps. I've never been medicated, although I suspect I'd be well within range to be considered for it.
On that note, I have a son with autism(the classic kind, not the 'minor learning disabilities' kind) and during that pregnancy the only medication I took was antibiotics in the 7th month and one breathing treatment for an upper respiratory infection I had in the winter while I was pregnant. I didn't even have my usual pregnancy related high blood pressure with that child. His actual delivery had some frightening moments, mostly for me, but otherwise it was the most uneventful and routine of the pregnancies part especially. However, I have a cousin with autism(higher communication function then my son), and I believe it's indicative to a much lesser extent in other family members--ie my dad displays the difficulty with groups of people and his relation to them, however he's had a very successful career in engineering related field and even taught his expertise. It's really a shame since for many people with social and depression difficulties, they often are very talented in fields where that is not a necessary component with any frequency and they can do quite well. DUmmies in this one's situation perhaps should consider the pull away from less substantial liberal arts types of activities that liberalism loves and encourages that would be more inclined to put them in more social activities and tap into strengths that will suit their social character: voila, no SSDI and they can work.
As an aside, this is the type of thing that boils my blood on disability issues(and I've gone my rounds with a few folks here). THIS ABUSE of the system pisses me off since it makes it more difficult for someone like my son who probably will not be able to work in ANY job because of the very severe disabilities with communication, self-control, etc becuase of his autism. Leeches like this that could find a way to adjust(and if they can be critical thinking to even entertain how to manipulate this system then they aren't disabled enough to not figure out a long term solution that will lessen their stress without making the rest of us pay for it) pull resources away from people who GENUINELY need the help of society at large. Mental disability my ass. Let this overwhelmed idiot step into my son's skin and see what a real mental disability is like. Even that said, I get the feeling my son would love to be normal and just have some social anxiety like this moron. Hell my brother is disabled because of renal failure and he still is always planning and hoping for ways to get 'better' and return to the workforce although that would likely require a whole other can of worms(double transplant). Pathetic g-damn dummies.
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This needs to go to a Congressman as testament to the fraud, waste and abuse of SSI and SSDI:
happyslug (9,353 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
1. I have had clients who have won Disability do to depression/Anxiety
For Social Security Disability and Supplement Security Income (SSI) the issue is NOT if you are disabled, but will the disability last more the one year AND prevent you from doing Full Time work?..........
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As an aside, this is the type of thing that boils my blood on disability issues(and I've gone my rounds with a few folks here). THIS ABUSE of the system pisses me off since it makes it more difficult for someone like my son who probably will not be able to work in ANY job because of the very severe disabilities with communication, self-control, etc becuase of his autism. Leeches like this that could find a way to adjust(and if they can be critical thinking to even entertain how to manipulate this system then they aren't disabled enough to not figure out a long term solution that will lessen their stress without making the rest of us pay for it) pull resources away from people who GENUINELY need the help of society at large. Mental disability my ass. Let this overwhelmed idiot step into my son's skin and see what a real mental disability is like. Even that said, I get the feeling my son would love to be normal and just have some social anxiety like this moron. Hell my brother is disabled because of renal failure and he still is always planning and hoping for ways to get 'better' and return to the workforce although that would likely require a whole other can of worms(double transplant). Pathetic g-damn dummies.
Well said, madam.
Awesome.
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As an aside, this is the type of thing that boils my blood on disability issues(and I've gone my rounds with a few folks here). THIS ABUSE of the system pisses me off since it makes it more difficult for someone like my son who probably will not be able to work in ANY job because of the very severe disabilities with communication, self-control, etc becuase of his autism. Leeches like this that could find a way to adjust(and if they can be critical thinking to even entertain how to manipulate this system then they aren't disabled enough to not figure out a long term solution that will lessen their stress without making the rest of us pay for it) pull resources away from people who GENUINELY need the help of society at large. Mental disability my ass. Let this overwhelmed idiot step into my son's skin and see what a real mental disability is like. Even that said, I get the feeling my son would love to be normal and just have some social anxiety like this moron. Hell my brother is disabled because of renal failure and he still is always planning and hoping for ways to get 'better' and return to the workforce although that would likely require a whole other can of worms(double transplant). Pathetic g-damn dummies.
Republicans support safety nets for adults who are truly disabled (cognitively, medically fragile -- downs, autism, MR, CP, etc.). Always have. It's the scum of the earth entitlement clowns such as the one in the OP who ruin it for them, and deny them critical funds for services.
How the hell they sleep at night I will never know.
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My wife used to be an EMT, working on an ambulance, saving people's lives, etc. After being involved in a car wreak (couple of drunks T-boned the ambulance she was driving to an accident scene), she was unable to continue to be an EMT anymore due to her injuries, so she became the mapping coordinator for her county. She was the one that named the roads and assigned the house numbers for the E-911 system.
When we married, she was unable to continue this job (I moved her to another state), and shortly thereafter, was having severe pain from her left hip and lower back. (Due to the after effects of the wreak, the physical demands of an EMT, and her first husband's physical abuse.) 2 back surgeries and an artificial hip later, she is still in constant and chronic pain, but she manages to maintain our house, manage the household budget, and take care of her mother, who has Alzheimer's and lives with us.
We fought SS for 3 years to get her on disability, hell, the dumbasses even lost her original application! Finally, after taking them to court (and paying a disability lawyer 30%) she got her disability.
THIS ^ is what SSDI was meant for, not some DUmbass who is "too depressed" to work. Want a hint on a cure, DUmmie? Buy a bullet, and rent a gun. It's quick, easy, permanent, and it won't drain the system for those that really need it for the next 40 years.
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Well said, madam.
Awesome.
Well sir, if my brother who can sit on dialysis 3 days a week can still hope and plan for a future, I can not perceive why this individual can't as well. So much of this is about attitude more then anything.
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Republicans support safety nets for adults who are truly disabled (cognitively, medically fragile -- downs, autism, MR, CP, etc.). Always have. It's the scum of the earth entitlement clowns such as the one in the OP who ruin it for them, and deny them critical funds for services.
How the hell they sleep at night I will never know.
I like to believe that most rational people agree with your position, but I've went my rounds with people who doubt the ability(or lack of) of extremely disabled chidren and adults and who even think people like myself should have had some crystal ball to plan for such eventualities to know not everyone shares your compassionate outlook. That said, part of that lack of compassion is born from leeches like the OP who have cast doubt on who really is or isn't disabled. I just wish our side would stop thinking that NO case is worthy of assistance, but that's not the torch I want to burn right now.
I'mw ith you, I don't know how such individuals can live with themselves knowing full well there are so many others like them who have to navigate their own personal crosses to make their way in this world and do the best they can to do so without becoming some lifelong burden to other. If anything, you would think one's own survival would kick in here and they would hope to be prudent with resources they may actual need later when their elderly body is frail and their older mind can no longer even process putting butter on piece of toast. That's kind of where I come form on this. I hope those resources are there when I really am too frail, sick, or disabled to work. In my mind how I protect that is to preserve those resources for when they are absolutely necessary, whether for myself someday or a family member. If most other people thought that way, I wouldn't think SSDI and Medicaid would be in the financial crisis it is in. :(
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I'm with you, I don't know how such individuals can live with themselves knowing full well there are so many others like them who have to navigate their own personal crosses to make their way in this world and do the best they can to do so without becoming some lifelong burden to other...
This is an easy answer. They are all selfish and greedy. They have been raised to believe they are "special", and are therefore entitled to whatever they think they should get or be given.
They are the result of parents that never told the children "NO" for fear it would "stunt their development", compounded by an "education" system that won't give grades or keep scores, for fear of "hurting their self-esteem".
Worst of all, we got one of these "special" people in the White House now.
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It goes back to an early age, when DUmmies were told they were "special", and could do anything they wanted.
But reality gobsmacked them, and when they found out they COULDN'T do what they wished, they acted like the petulant little children they are, and decided if they couldn't get their way, they'd do nothing at all. And then they set out to find someone to pay them to do nothing.
From an early age (like 4 or so), I was told by my father, "The world doesn't owe you shit." Hard work and long hours are the only way to get ahead. Even those so-called 1-percenters bust their asses to make the big checks you and I will only dream of making.
SSDI--broken and unable to work, denied. Adult babies who are all butthurt over not getting to play on DU all day, approved.
****ing sick.
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From an early age (like 4 or so), I was told by my father, "The world doesn't owe you shit." Hard work and long hours are the only way to get ahead. Even those so-called 1-percenters bust their asses to make the big checks you and I will only dream of making.
Thank you for reminding me that I have to start saying this to my daughter--every day, but in a slightly different version. H5.
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Thank you for reminding me that I have to start saying this to my daughter--every day, but in a slightly different version. H5.
That and it would be coupled with a lot of hard work (for a kid)...hauling rocks, clearing land, even going out and getting busboy/dishwashing jobs at age 13. Just enough to remind me that a lack of education would put me right there for the rest of my life, so if I was ever to do what I wanted and be good enough to make a living at it, I best get crackin the books and working my ass off.
Then I joined the Navy and found out what REALLY shitty work could be...LOL.
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It goes back to an early age, when DUmmies were told they were "special", and could do anything they wanted.
But reality gobsmacked them, and when they found out they COULDN'T do what they wished, they acted like the petulant little children they are, and decided if they couldn't get their way, they'd do nothing at all. And then they set out to find someone to pay them to do nothing.
From an early age (like 4 or so), I was told by my father, "The world doesn't owe you shit." Hard work and long hours are the only way to get ahead. Even those so-called 1-percenters bust their asses to make the big checks you and I will only dream of making.
SSDI--broken and unable to work, denied. Adult babies who are all butthurt over not getting to play on DU all day, approved.
****ing sick.
I grew up on a dairy farm, spent 20 years of my life tending to the needs of the 120 or so "girls" who's needs came before my own.
I "worked" side by side with my Dad as soon as I was able to walk, and was hauling hay, driving tractors, plowing fields, and fixing equipment before my age was into the double-digits. I knew how to weld, and I knew carpentry, plumbing, and electrical wiring before I was a teenager. I had to quit the JV football team and run the farm and harvest the crops when my Dad became ill one fall and he spent 5 weeks in the hospital with what was later diagnosed as diabetes.
I've worked hard ALL my life. Yeah, I've been "depressed", right after my first wife left me after 22 years of marriage. When I drove a truck, I went to work once with a 102 fever because "if the wheels ain't turning, you ain't earning." At 2 points in my life, I held down 3 jobs, just to have enough money to keep the lights on and some food on the table. I have seen and worked with people that had suffered great personal tragedies and I have wondered "just how in the hell can they still function".
So I have NO sympathy for ANYONE that claims "depression" as a disability! Get off your lazy ass and get back to work!
PS. If ANYONE is offended by what I wrote here, GO **** YOURSELF!