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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: Gina on February 22, 2012, 05:53:31 AM
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Sure y'all have heard about the US base over in the ME burning some korans. The Muslims are protesting right now and the terrorists are using it for their benefit. After all that we know how those people will react, how could this have happened ? Seems there would be Training on the Koran and not "hurting" it's precious pages.
Think it's intentional?
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Sure y'all have heard about the US base over in the ME burning some korans. The Muslims are protesting right now and the terrorists are using it for their benefit. After all that we know how those people will react, how could this have happened ? Seems there would be Training on the Koran and not "hurting" it's precious pages.
Think it's intentional?
As stated elsewhere, like more than 10 percent of those rock-chuckers could read the thing in the first place.
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I'd make an announcement, we don't get the same number of people or higher protesting the protesters and supporting the United States, we're pulling out tomorrow. Make a choice. The United States, or the Taliban. Qu'ran burnings, or beheadings and shooting in the soccer stadium. Open elections, or totalitarian rule. Make a choice.
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I'd make an announcement, we don't get the same number of people or higher protesting the protesters and supporting the United States, we're pulling out tomorrow. Make a choice. The United States, or the Taliban. Qu'ran burnings, or beheadings and shooting in the soccer stadium. Open elections, or totalitarian rule. Make a choice.
I second that motion.
There is a motion on the floor. Any discussion?
Those in favor?
Those opposed?
The motion carries by acclimation.
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Sounds like pure tunnel vision, the Korans had supposedly been written in by prisoners, and therefore could have been disposed of by burning IF the idea had occurred to the Air Force to ask an imam to oversee or do it.
The Air Force is not a people organization, it's just about flying planes, and they often show a certain tunnel vision when it comes to dealing with actual people, especially non-Air Force people. An Army or Marine infantry 2LT with a week on the ground would have probably known better. A stupid and unnecessary act with easily-foreseeable consequences.
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bring 'em home.
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bring 'em home.
Yesterday would not soon enough.
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Sounds like pure tunnel vision, the Korans had supposedly been written in by prisoners, and therefore could have been disposed of by burning IF the idea had occurred to the Air Force to ask an imam to oversee or do it.
The Air Force is not a people organization, it's just about flying planes, and they often show a certain tunnel vision when it comes to dealing with actual people, especially non-Air Force people. An Army or Marine infantry 2LT with a week on the ground would have probably known better. A stupid and unnecessary act with easily-foreseeable consequences.
And since they had already been written in they had already been desecrated. The anger should of course be directed at he prioners that did this and not the troops, Then again logic and truth were never the goals of the media or the goons protesting all of this.
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I guess I have just one question.......who shot their mouth off to someone that they shouldn't. IMO a US military base (especially in a war zone) is processing and destroying documents all the time......the miltary runs on paper. If someone is going to hot-foot it to the local mosque yelling "the Americans are burning Korans".......they can just as easily be passing classified operational details to that same mosque......
Isn't there any OPSEC on bases over there??
doc
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I guess I have just one question.......who shot their mouth off to someone that they shouldn't. IMO a US military base (especially in a war zone) is processing and destroying documents all the time......the miltary runs on paper. If someone is going to hot-foot it to the local mosque yelling "the Americans are burning Korans".......they can just as easily be passing classified operational details to that same mosque......
Isn't there any OPSEC on bases over there??
doc
im guessing some locals were around when the burning happened. it probably wasnt done in the most private of locations, especially not with other "important documents"
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im guessing some locals were around when the burning happened. it probably wasnt done in the most private of locations, especially not with other "important documents"
The books were mistakenly thrown out with the trash at Bagram Air Field north of Kabul and were on a burn pile Monday night before Afghan laborers intervened around 11:00 p.m., according to NATO and Afghan officials.
The workers doused the flames with their jackets and mineral water before marching out of Bagram in a fury, carrying with them the charred remains, according to Sabir Safar, secretary of the provincial council of Parwan, the province where Bagram is located.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/quran-burning-us-base-draws-afghan-protests/story?id=15756570#.T0VOnvEgNtM
I don't see why they're still rioting. The MIC, (Muslim in Chief = Obama) has apologized.
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Goes to show how primitive and backwards these religion of peace people are. I can't wrap my mind around the notion they're butt hurt over their Koran being burned, but okay with honor killings, beheadings, bombings and the like. When apologies are tendered to Christians for not allowing us to build a church in Saudi Arabia, or the murder of critics of Islam, then I might give a flying **** about burning a book. Pisses me off our military is constantly being forced into the role of appeaser to thugs, criminals, and lowlife scum of the earth simply because they profess to be Muslim. :bird:
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im guessing some locals were around when the burning happened. it probably wasnt done in the most private of locations, especially not with other "important documents"
Well......if that's the case, it ranks just about as high on the "stupid meter" as allowing cameras into Abu Graib.....
I sometimes think that we're our own "worst enemy"......
doc
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I sometimes think that we're our own "worst enemy"......
when it come PR, no doubt
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I guess I have just one question.......who shot their mouth off to someone that they shouldn't. IMO a US military base (especially in a war zone) is processing and destroying documents all the time......the miltary runs on paper. If someone is going to hot-foot it to the local mosque yelling "the Americans are burning Korans".......they can just as easily be passing classified operational details to that same mosque......
Isn't there any OPSEC on bases over there??
doc
From what I've heard, apparently some local workers were present when they did it, and were appalled by it, trying to pull the books out of the fire. They do take the whole "Holy words of Allah" thing very seriously, it is not just a convenient excuse to act nutzoid. Someone on our side just plain screwed the pooch, there is no way to put enough icing on that cowpie to make it into a cake.
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riSJcZC89Hc[/youtube]
**** Islam
**** Muslims
**** Muhammed (I Spit Upon Him)
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A few years back a bunch of muslims took over a church in Israel and held a bunch of hostages. While there they shit in the floor and wiped their ass on pages from the bible. ....and the Christians
rioted killing....zero muslims.
They have no respect for us why should we heathens respect them?
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They have no respect for us why should we heathens respect them?
I don't.
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riSJcZC89Hc[/youtube]
**** Islam
**** Muslims
**** Muhammed (I Spit Upon Him)
what he said
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The religion of peace. Peace through killing. Maybe they meant piece.
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The religion of peace. Peace through killing. Maybe they meant piece.
Devils advocate here.
What was the traditions and life style of civilizations 15 hundred years ago, culture and life style then is incomprehensible to us today. What is evil to us today was just normal life style and survival a thousand years ago.
YET, hard as it is to believe some society's still today follow the life style from the far past to the last 2-3 hundred years.
We still have the far out Conservative Jews that still today believe in stoning woman that flaunting themselves, very old and not so different rules from the Muslim Koran where Mohammad may have gotten his ideas from. Some sects demand a wife to shave their heads to become unattractive to other men. The woman wear wigs in public.
Sad to say Mohammad got most of his ideas from our Old and New Testament as it was at the time.
Is the Koran so far from the outlaw Mormons with their multiple wives, sexual marriages to 12 year old girls, the old men booting out young males that may become a challenge for them over the preteen wives ??? All adult woman must dress alike, even down to hair styles, are these woman modern day concubines, only the first legal wife has rights, all others are spiritual wives. Their children are not their own, they have no say in their lives, unless they tow the line a child can be taken from its mother and raised by another wife more fitting.
Some Churches, Christian teach a woman is to be subservient to their husbands, if there is no husband due to death or non marriage they must subjugate them selves to either an elder male in the family or if none then to an elder male in the church. Not that far from the Koran in teaching subservience to their woman.
The Male is on top of the family, matters not that he may be mentally ill, a pervert, a total creep, a woman marries them by choice or arranged marriage, has no choice but to defer to what ever he wishes including rape of her children or death to them that in some way displeases him.
So today it is not JUST the Koran that incites people to kill non believers, Old Testament has books and books of God ordering the death of intire city's of people that worship another God.--------In one astounding piece God ordered the death to not only the people but to their animals and a scorched earth on their crops.
Allah is a jealous God, but one that is willing to debate with Jehovah over the out come of Job and what kind of horror they could conflict on him and his family. Interesting story, I have yet to find any kind of good coming from that for the innocents that died.
Both the Koran and both Testaments of the Bible are rules to live by according to the time and place they were written----
There is much to be learned about human nature in their time, much good to carry on into the future, to label either Evil in our time is to be expected, however at the time they were written, this was the way of life for people, how they lived and died.
I would imagine had these ancients seen our abortion factory's in their life time would have labled the future Evil as well.
God did not die or desert us 2,000 years ago, nor is he sleeping as man evolved from that time to the present, we have the Prophets from thousands of years ago, strange and in another time understandable today we debate on the incites they were given back then.
We cannot nor do we continue to live in that time, we must move on and find God on our own, the written works are but a guide for the past when they were written, to have Faith is to move on and to take the lessons learned into the future, not to live by the times and morals they were written it.
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Can we go back to the less is more posts, vesta?
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Is the Koran so far from the outlaw Mormons with their multiple wives, sexual marriages to 12 year old girls, the old men booting out young males that may become a challenge for them over the preteen wives ??? All adult woman must dress alike, even down to hair styles, are these woman modern day concubines, only the first legal wife has rights, all others are spiritual wives. Their children are not their own, they have no say in their lives, unless they tow the line a child can be taken from its mother and raised by another wife more fitting.
Vesta has been watching reruns of Big Love again.
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I dissed a Koran once. Someone had once given me a small gold Koran to wear as a necklace. On 9/12/2001, I took a garbage bag out into the backyard and cleaned up my 2 dogs' considerable mess. I dumped the Koran on top of the collection.
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I dissed a Koran once. Someone had once given me a small gold Koran to wear as a necklace. On 9/12/2001, I took a garbage bag out into the backyard and cleaned up my 2 dogs' considerable mess. I dumped the Koran on top of the collection.
The old S H I Tea from shinola trick.
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I dissed a Koran once. Someone had once given me a small gold Koran to wear as a necklace. On 9/12/2001, I took a garbage bag out into the backyard and cleaned up my 2 dogs' considerable mess. I dumped the Koran on top of the collection.
hi-5
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So, Americans burn a few books and the President of the US of A (commander in chief of the Army) goes and writes an apology letter.
Two American soldiers, not burning a damn thing, and spending nearly a year away from their country and families - specifically to ensure the Afghan people's right to protest - are gunned down by an Afghan soldier and nobody apologizes to those two soldier's kids??
What the mother eff is wrong with our country?? And how the eff did we end up with these douche bags as Presidential candidates??
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What the mother eff is wrong with our country??
And how the eff did we end up with these douche bags as Presidential candidates??
1. obama
2. obama's parents
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1. obama
2. obama's parents
3. douchenozzles that let themselves be lied to
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U.S. response to Koran burning could fan flames, analysts warn
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/23/us-response-to-koran-burning-could-fan-flames-analysts-warn/
Sounds like apologizing made it worse. No reasoning with them. :mental:
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was listening to sean hannity on way home and a woman called in and said that the koran's were written in and that is a big no no in koran land and the only way in Islam to rectify the act of writing in the koran is to burn them...........don't know how true that is but if it is true and obama just apologized for our troops doing the right thing then MAN!
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was listening to sean hannity on way home and a woman called in and said that the koran's were written in and that is a big no no in koran land and the only way in Islam to rectify the act of writing in the koran is to burn them...........don't know how true that is but if it is true and obama just apologized for our troops doing the right thing then MAN!
It would have been an appropriate way to dispose of defaced Korans, if the Air Force had had the forethought to involve an imam and ask him to handle it. Having a bunch of 'Infidel' foreign troops incinerate them along with the ash and trash is another matter entirely. Obama's apology was actually appropriate for once, because there is no way staying on a high horse about it is going to accomplish anything positive in the real world as opposed to the talk radio world.
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It would have been an appropriate way to dispose of defaced Korans, if the Air Force had had the forethought to involve an imam and ask him to handle it. Having a bunch of 'Infidel' foreign troops incinerate them along with the ash and trash is another matter entirely. Obama's apology was actually appropriate for once, because there is no way staying on a high horse about it is going to accomplish anything positive in the real world as opposed to the talk radio world.
Maybe if his apology had included the fact that the Korans had been defaced and they thought they were destroying them in the proper way. It does sound like it was done out of ignorance not malice. Of course that matters not to adherents of The Religion Of blown to Pieces.
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Islam’s Nazi Connections
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=20831
Islamic Nazis
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/02/04/islamic-nazis/
The Nazi Origins of Modern Arab Terror
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/3/3/154714.shtml
Terrorism's Triple-Border Sanctuary: Islamist World Terror from Argentina, Brazil & Paraguay
http://www.historyofjihad.org/latinamerica.html
From Al Husseini to Hitler :Radical Islam and the Nazi connection - Pan Arabism to the PA
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/2543
Heinrich Himmler's Remarkable Admiration For Islam: "It Promises Beautiful Women In Heaven"
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3964
Must View! What do Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, and Yasser Arafat have in common? They are Arab nationalists, which evolved into Islamists.
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/
Nazi and Communist Collaboration In Germany During the Decade Preceding Hitler's "Third Reich"[1923-1933]
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3438
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I don't respect the Koran. Period. (I can't disrespect it since I don't know what the hell that means.)
It's only good use is for toilet paper.
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It would have been an appropriate way to dispose of defaced Korans, if the Air Force had had the forethought to involve an imam and ask him to handle it. Having a bunch of 'Infidel' foreign troops incinerate them along with the ash and trash is another matter entirely. Obama's apology was actually appropriate for once, because there is no way staying on a high horse about it is going to accomplish anything positive in the real world as opposed to the talk radio world.
I'd say IF the imam were a U.S. military chaplain and the imam/chaplain was ordered to handle the Koran-burning, great. That's consistent with what the military does with sacred texts of any type -- get the chaplains involved to deal with whatever has to be done.
In my view, Obama's apologizing merely escalates the issue by putting the entire episode at presidential level. More than anything, what that does is make Muslim braying more legitimate than it really needs to be.
Staying silent on the issue would've sent the message that whatever the issue is, it can and should be handled at a lower level. A presidential apology was waaaaay more than what was needed.
Barry's bowing and scraping to the Muslim world does little to "improve" things when they're going to bitch and moan anyway.
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I understand that the muzzie prisoners were writing INSTRUCTIONS in them on how to riot and kill "infidels."
The prisoners should been burned along with their books.
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I don't respect the Koran. Period. (I can't disrespect it since I don't know what the hell that means.)
It's only good use is for toilet paper.
The Koran is as much a holy book as the Bible is, and the many books of India on their time and place. [ thousands more to be interpreted and mulled over for how and why they came to be.
These Ancient texts detail the lives of believers thousands of years ago, a life time of the far, far past.
Interesting that almost all faiths had the same background, God came from the stars, waged war with each other and us.
Most faiths back then had a good God and a Bad God fighting for the souls of humans. Today we have a Christian God doing battle with the Devil, the Jews are still waiting for their God to send to earth a Messiah to free them.
The huge civilizations of South America awaited a white skinned red hair man who was said to have come from the stars to teach them how to build their amazing temples and agriculture, --------Sad the very year the Star God was believed to come back, white sails from the sea, not heaven brought in the white skinned, fair haired civilization that was not the loving Gods they awaited but the devil and Evil to them.
I myself can not disrespect any faith in God. Be it rites of head hunters or throwing virgins into volcano's.
How do I explain to the head hunters they are doing wrong and then introduce them to Communion where we are taught we are actually drinking and eating the flesh of our God ?
I will not desecrate any book or faith of anyone that believes in God. This is not for me to say they are right or wrong. My fear is that if there is indeed life after death, as I ride the astral plane I may find out I was wrong, big time and I have insulted God by my actions on earth.
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Objectively, some religions make more sense than others. But you have to have some discernment, the ability to have sound moral judgement, and again, objectivity. Without that it's a free for all, and anything goes.
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The "Qu'ran" is as much of a Holy book as Dianetics.
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Objectively, some religions make more sense than others. But you have to have some discernment, the ability to have sound moral judgement, and again, objectivity. Without that it's a free for all, and anything goes.
Right you are, all depends on the time frame the faith comes about, who is in power to push it on the people and how the faith will help the people or the leaders of the time.
Moral judgement goes with the times, depends on the government and times. Abortion was one problem solved by politics and the Churches that turned against their base belief .At risk of loosing members supporting the Church, SURPRISE , not advocated but no members expected to follow the teachings.
Same sex marriage, an abomination 30 years ago, now in order to keep the coffers flowing the Churches are so desperate for money they will marry you to a Billy Goat.
Rebel, the Koran is an Ancient text of believe for millions of people for over a thousand years. To the believers this is as holy as our New Testament, now we see the new faiths springing up, Scientology for example. ------Their books are holy to them them as all other faiths.
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Morality doesn't change with the times. Conservatives understand this, libs, don't.
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The part of this thread that started with Cyrus comments has been moved to its appropriate place.
Any more comments from him or to him will be taken up there.
Thanks. :cheersmate:
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I like this lady :cheersmate:
me too :cheers1:
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I like this lady :cheersmate:
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Y'all need to check out her blog. I posted it in the blog section. KiraDavis.net. For real.
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Y'all need to check out her blog. I posted it in the blog section. KiraDavis.net. For real.
"KiraDavis.net
"Conservative politics, pop culture and all things Kira Davis-y "
Awesome.
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"KiraDavis.net
"Conservative politics, pop culture and all things Kira Davis-y "
Awesome.
I love Marquis "Motionn" Campbell's blog posts too. :-)
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Thanks to Iassa, we now have her added to the blog section. BTW, we REALLY need to have a "what does your username mean" thread". :-)
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,69886.0.html
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Thanks to Iassa, we now have her added to the blog section. BTW, we REALLY need to have a "what does your username mean" thread". :-)
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,69886.0.html
Well, I have explained a few times, but here we go. It's an acronym. Got fed up with stupid people on another forum and left. Came back and had to create a different login. I am so sick and F-in Tired of this sH!T. It stuck. :-)
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"what does your username mean" thread"
JohnnyReb: Loves fried chicken and grits but you can have my share of the greens. Just a stubborn S.O.B. born in the south and I ain't ever leaving it. May have to throw out some liberal Yankees but I ain't going no where. I have always loved the stars and bars even though I haven't owned a rebel flag in well over 50 years... don't need to, it's tattooed in my heart.
I love the USA and have always thought that should, God forbid, the Stars and Strips should fall to a foreign enemy, all us southern boys would hoist the Stars and Bars and fight on.
BTW: JohnnyReb thinks that foreign enemy has infiltrated and walks among us.
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Well, I have explained a few times, but here we go. It's an acronym. Got fed up with stupid people on another forum and left. Came back and had to create a different login. I am so sick and F-in Tired of this sH!T. It stuck. :-)
That might be the truth, but I like Gina's explanation of your name better! :-)
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That might be the truth, but I like Gina's explanation of your name better! :-)
Whateves....... :tongue:
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Whateves....... :tongue:
SHE'S GONNA BLOWWWWWWWW :panic: :panic: :panic:
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Thanks to Iassa, we now have her added to the blog section. BTW, we REALLY need to have a "what does your username mean" thread". :-)
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,69886.0.html
"Tots" for short, Reb. She responds well to that. :-)
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"Tots" for short, Reb. She responds well to that. :-)
Hi 5. :-)