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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: Gina on February 20, 2012, 08:48:30 AM
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WASHINGTON -- Governors and lawmakers in a handful of states including Tennessee are taking steps to tackle the growing scourge of prescription drug abuse.
All but two states and the District of Columbia have enacted some kind of prescription drug monitoring program, but many state officials argue that this is not enough.
"This growing problem is so frightening because while FDA-approved prescription opiates are easy to get, many are just as addicting and dangerous as street heroin and crack cocaine," Vermont Gov. Peter Shumlin said in his State of the State address last month.
Shumlin has proposed giving law enforcement personnel access to the state's prescription drug monitoring system, currently accessible only to doctors and pharmacists, who enter a record in the database any time a patient is prescribed a potentially addictive drug, classified as a schedule II, III or IV controlled substance.
Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam also is taking aim at his state's prescription drug database, which only requires prescribers to record that they've written a prescription. In a Haslam-backed bill, all prescribers and drug dispensers would be required to check the database prior to prescribing a controlled substance, and Tennessee would be able to share data with other states to cut down on doctor-shopping.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/feb/20/states-on-alert-for-rx-abuses/
What are your thoughts on this proposed law? Is it overstepping the patient's privacy?
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Is it overstepping the patient's privacy?
Not if the taxpayer is footing the bill.
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What are your thoughts on this proposed law? Is it overstepping the patient's privacy?
Good question here, there have been times when I have needed a pain killer, home from surgery and had to send Hubby to the drug store with my prescription and my drivers license and he had to present his license, mine, and sign for the pain killer.
Then there were friends that visited me and got all out of shape for the situation the drugs put me in. Darn I could not recognise friends or family, just went into La-La land to keep the pain away. Get off that Shit they would say as I watched Lobsters crawl around my ceiling.
At the last time I needed them a friend came over before I took my legal pill and shot gunned me with some pot, I never took another pill again, I learned how to manage the pain and never saw Lobsters again.
I recovered much faster then on the opeates given, knew who was at my bed side, and swore to never go into La-La land again.
Lesson learned from an old lady, when it comes to well being, never say never, who would have thought at my age Pot would have brought me back ------OH Yes, I was so anti pot all my life, crap still am but when it comes to medical problems, one has to dance with the devil.
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When have you come out of La La land, vesta? that post was all over the frigging world of La La Land. :hammer:
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Variations on this theme have been around for a long time......decades.......when we lived in New York, drugs scheduled I, II or III were required to have the physician complete a "triplicate" prescription form, which contained the patients SSN and other vital information, which were sent to the state and placed in your personal file (both the NYS DEA and NY Justice Dept.)........all this additional bureaucracy and manpower (as well as taxpayer expense) did NOTHING to reduce illicit prescription abuse.
All of this nonsense just makes physicians reluctant to prescribe needed medications for patients (as in cancer and others) that really need them, for fear that by prescribing them they open themselves up to hassles from bureaucrats and law enforcement.
What I really find amusing is here, in my state there are a number of restrictions placed on patients and pharmacies (not doctors) regarding ID requirements, refills, and how soon a patient can order a refill on scheduled drugs.......however, I can go to a Vet and get a prescription for the same medication, in the exact same dosage, for a dog, and there are no restrictions at all........
doc
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What are your thoughts on this proposed law? Is it overstepping the patient's privacy?
Not if they're doctor shopping. Face it, so much of our crime is coming from prescription drug abuse--and I've got the stories about bank and pharmacy robberies here over the past two years to prove it--that it IS in fact a public safety issue.
When a small percentage of the doctors are responsible for a HUGE majority of these scripts, then something needs to be done to correct the situation.
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Not if they're doctor shopping. Face it, so much of our crime is coming from prescription drug abuse--and I've got the stories about bank and pharmacy robberies here over the past two years to prove it--that it IS in fact a public safety issue.
When a small percentage of the doctors are responsible for a HUGE majority of these scripts, then something needs to be done to correct the situation.
I agree BUT I don't know if you know my saga getting any type of relief with my back but the pain clinic I finally got referred to made me jump through all sorts of hoops to even get something strong than 800 mgs of Motrin. They basically make me feel so humilated every time I go after a nerve block. They make me feel like I am a drug seeker :mad:
so what I am saying is when is it going to be about the neglecting the true pain of the patient and not these idiots that prescribe or doctor shop? sucks
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I was under pain management for years for my back (had surgery, which helped; but scar tissue developed and they cannot do surgery for that). I had to sign a contract saying I would use one pharmacy, would not seek drugs from another doctor, would be accountable for all pills (they could call me in for a pill count at any time), and I had to submit to drug screens. They were very strict, and I don't blame them. I no longer use them because I lost my insurance; and I'm in pain daily....but I am also finding that I can cope without the super strong pain killers that I used to be on. Quitting those was the hardest thing I have ever done. Doctors have to toe a fine line with those kinds of drugs. There are people out there that really need them, and there are those who just get them to sell or take recreationally. I'm not sure how they weed out the "users".
Georgia has proposed the law that will electronically trace narcotics; but I'm not sure if it passed or not.
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I was under pain management for years for my back (had surgery, which helped; but scar tissue developed and they cannot do surgery for that). I had to sign a contract saying I would use one pharmacy, would not seek drugs from another doctor, would be accountable for all pills (they could call me in for a pill count at any time), and I had to submit to drug screens. They were very strict, and I don't blame them. I no longer use them because I lost my insurance; and I'm in pain daily....but I am also finding that I can cope without the super strong pain killers that I used to be on. Quitting those was the hardest thing I have ever done. Doctors have to toe a fine line with those kinds of drugs. There are people out there that really need them, and there are those who just get them to sell or take recreationally. I'm not sure how they weed out the "users".
Georgia has proposed the law that will electronically trace narcotics; but I'm not sure if it passed or not.
Those are the hoops I was talking about. It's humilating.
I draw so I sit all day and I am pretty much in pain all day. I have tried going a day without the pain narcotic (percocet 10mg 2 x per day) and it was excruiating. I am praying after tomorrow's cervical nerve block (semi-permanent) they will start on my lower back and I will get the same relief. They told me they couldn't treat both parts at one time because insurance wouldn't allow it.
I am worried about being addicted though when I am cleared to be pain free. I have been on them for a month and a half.
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I understand why they're doing it, but a State law in TN isn't going to do much to fix it. People in Appalachia are recruited, or assemble the dough and learn the connections themselves, to go to FL cash-only pain clinics (Where TN law wouldn't apply) and buy large stocks of 'hillbilly heroin' and mule it back home, where most of it gets sold off by the pill. They use addresses of convenience or bogus ID, but sales in TN itself are not the main part of the problem.
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Those are the hoops I was talking about. It's humilating.
I draw so I sit all day and I am pretty much in pain all day. I have tried going a day without the pain narcotic (percocet 10mg 2 x per day) and it was excruiating. I am praying after tomorrow's cervical nerve block (semi-permanent) they will start on my lower back and I will get the same relief. They told me they couldn't treat both parts at one time because insurance wouldn't allow it.
I am worried about being addicted though when I am cleared to be pain free. I have been on them for a month and a half.
I feel for you because I've been there. I had a sit down computer job for 18 years. When I started my new job as a waitress, I wasn't sure I would be able to do it. I've found that being on my feet more has actually HELPED my back pain; but it's killing my knees ;)
I don't want to scare you about coming off of the pills; but it is NOT fun. Try to get Saboxin (spelled wrong I'm sure). It helped the withdrawals (flu like symptoms times 10). It will not help the craving, though. That's just something you'll have to work through. I wish you luck. And if you need to talk to someone about it, feel free. It takes someone who's been there to really empathize.
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I feel for you because I've been there. I had a sit down computer job for 18 years. When I started my new job as a waitress, I wasn't sure I would be able to do it. I've found that being on my feet more has actually HELPED my back pain; but it's killing my knees ;)
I don't want to scare you about coming off of the pills; but it is NOT fun. Try to get Saboxin (spelled wrong I'm sure). It helped the withdrawals (flu like symptoms times 10). It will not help the craving, though. That's just something you'll have to work through. I wish you luck. And if you need to talk to someone about it, feel free. It takes someone who's been there to really empathize.
could I be addicted even if I have been using my meds as prescribed? everything I read up on said if you took the prescribed dose and didn't abuse you should not get addicted........crap..........I don't need that.......I am going to bring this up at my next visit.
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You will have withdrawals of some kind unless the doctor gradually reduces your dosage. I had to stop suddenly when I lost my insurance, so I had some major withdrawals...hence the suboxen. I was on them for 7 years, though. And it is a known fact that as your body gets used to those meds, it takes higher doses to get relief. Hopefully you won't have the craving issue if you don't have to be on them for too long. I wish you luck, and do not be afraid to talk to your doctor about your fears. I talked to mine several times and even put off "upping" the dosage for two years die to the same fear.
BTW...I tried to keep my pain scripts on the "down low"...when people first found out I was getting them I was approached constantly by people "hurting". I understand why states want to make these laws. I fully believe that prescription drugs are used more by teens and young adults than any other drug....
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Variations on this theme have been around for a long time......decades.......when we lived in New York, drugs scheduled I, II or III were required to have the physician complete a "triplicate" prescription form, which contained the patients SSN and other vital information, which were sent to the state and placed in your personal file (both the NYS DEA and NY Justice Dept.)........all this additional bureaucracy and manpower (as well as taxpayer expense) did NOTHING to reduce illicit prescription abuse.
All of this nonsense just makes physicians reluctant to prescribe needed medications for patients (as in cancer and others) that really need them, for fear that by prescribing them they open themselves up to hassles from bureaucrats and law enforcement.
What I really find amusing is here, in my state there are a number of restrictions placed on patients and pharmacies (not doctors) regarding ID requirements, refills, and how soon a patient can order a refill on scheduled drugs.......however, I can go to a Vet and get a prescription for the same medication, in the exact same dosage, for a dog, and there are no restrictions at all........
doc
Doc you are so correct about Vet requirements.
When we got a Rottie Puppy, she was hyper, first time being without Mom and litter mates and away from the humans she grew up with.
The Vet perscribed an antidepressants for her, the prescription read DOG, next to her name. -----I believe it was for Valumin cost for a months supply, $5.00. Talking to a coworker that had been perscribed briefly for that drug, I was told that a human had to pay without insurance at that time $80.00 a month.
Had we been crooked we could have made a fortune selling the dogs medication, just a call to the Vet and say the dog needs more. The Vets are not monitored as closely as the Doctors for humans, occasionally a Vet will be outed and loose their license but in my area only 2 in 15-20 years have been found. Unfortunately these were the Vets that had customers of advanced age that could not afford Human pain relief and a sympathetic Vet would HELP them along the way. Good intentions and the road to Hell.
Then there is the question why the cost of drugs for a pet is but 1/10 of the cost for humans, same darn thing in both cases.
Deep dark dirty secret in the dog fighting ring, getting set up as a Vet in the South after graduation is VERY costly. New Vets often get their start by working with the Dog Fights and some make out well enough to start their own business. [ Told to me by a member of the Vice Squad when I called about an injured Pit Bull a tenant had on my property. When they tracked the owner that was a Vet in NC. I was told to not push it, all had been taken care of the dog was gone from my property.
Unfortunately life goes on with all the twists and turns when it comes to drugs. Nasty business from the top down to the mules 14 year old that street sell this shit.
We have a shortage of life saving drugs for humans today, bet you a dollar to donuts a Vet can find a way to get these drugs on the black market for big bucks for the owners of the Show Dogs and Cats worth thousands.
Not that I am coming down on the Vets or Human doctors, the professions in partnership with the drug company's have a way of justifying their actions as to benift them selves. The civilian that get it the way are put down to Choice, not their problem, justified as a murder involving a person with a hammer cannot blame Black and Decker.
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Another drug thread, another vesta post.
Coincidence?
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Coincidence?
It seems to be so.....
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N the waiting room to get my radio frequency block. They can only do one nerve at a time so I will have my 2nd one in two weeks. Wish me luck, they say this one is gonna hurt
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N the waiting room to get my radio frequency block. They can only do one nerve at a time so I will have my 2nd one in two weeks. Wish me luck, they say this one is gonna hurt
Grit your teeth and embrace the suck. If you can have a baby, you can do this standing on your head.
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Grit your teeth and embrace the suck. If you can have a baby, you can do this standing on your head.
Never have felt labor :lol: I have them cut out
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Never have felt labor :lol: I have them cut out
almost spoken like a true primitive :ashamed:
back to the topic at hand though, here is what i dont understand. we have a system run by the government where drugs are legal but regulated to be made safe. the regulation doesnt work, so we strive for more regulation from the same entities that cant get it right the first time. and the new regulations further strip us of our freedoms in the guise of protecting us.
ben f: Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
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almost spoken like a true primitive :ashamed:
back to the topic at hand though, here is what i dont understand. we have a system run by the government where drugs are legal but regulated to be made safe. the regulation doesnt work, so we strive for more regulation from the same entities that cant get it right the first time. and the new regulations further strip us of our freedoms in the guise of protecting us.
ben f: Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
Precisely. This is a classic example of bureaucracy justifying itself FIRST. They'll make all kinds of pretenses that they (the DEA, the FBI, and the rest of the alphabet-soup agencies) are "making the public safe" when, in point of fact, they're simply creating work for themselves and ergo, job security.
Many Americans are too stupid to see this, of course, because they've been conditioned to accept that the government is really here to help.
:whatever:
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Precisely. This is a classic example of bureaucracy justifying itself FIRST. They'll make all kinds of pretenses that they (the DEA, the FBI, and the rest of the alphabet-soup agencies) are "making the public safe" when, in point of fact, they're simply creating work for themselves and ergo, job security.
Many Americans are too stupid to see this, of course, because they've been conditioned to accept that the government is really here to help.
plus the war on drugs is a failure, just legalize everything.
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plus the war on drugs is a failure, just legalize everything.
:whistling:
I ain't buying that argument, Rugnuts.
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I ain't buying that argument, Rugnuts.
damnit
so close, yet so far away!
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Variations on this theme have been around for a long time......decades.......when we lived in New York, drugs scheduled I, II or III were required to have the physician complete a "triplicate" prescription form, which contained the patients SSN and other vital information, which were sent to the state and placed in your personal file (both the NYS DEA and NY Justice Dept.)........all this additional bureaucracy and manpower (as well as taxpayer expense) did NOTHING to reduce illicit prescription abuse.
All of this nonsense just makes physicians reluctant to prescribe needed medications for patients (as in cancer and others) that really need them, for fear that by prescribing them they open themselves up to hassles from bureaucrats and law enforcement.
What I really find amusing is here, in my state there are a number of restrictions placed on patients and pharmacies (not doctors) regarding ID requirements, refills, and how soon a patient can order a refill on scheduled drugs.......however, I can go to a Vet and get a prescription for the same medication, in the exact same dosage, for a dog, and there are no restrictions at all........
doc
Weird that, in Arizona, at least the time I had to pick up some fentanyl patches for one of my dogs, I had to sign for the stuff, even though the dog weighed around 20 pounds and whatever pain relief was in there wouldn't have done anything for me. :whatever:
As a person for whom hydrocodone has been prescribed these past seven years, no, I don't care if my name is in some database. Tricare already monitors me, and since I'm doing nothing illegal and the drugs are correctly prescribed for legitimate pain issues, I've got nothing to hide.
What truly pisses me off is that drug abuse of legitimate prescriptions of opiates has made doctors more nervous than a cat in a room full of occupied rocking chairs, and the hyper monitoring of my pain relief needs-I have to get a new prescription every month and it's a pain in the ass.
Anyway, I figure if we chronic pain patients have to be put through our paces so rigorously, same at least should apply to welfare recipients. I'd like for them to have to submit their grocery bills to some processing/monitoring center so as to make sure they haven't sold their food stamps for dope, booze, whatever. Also, why should servicemembers be subjected to random urine screening for drugs while welfare recipients don't have to do the same thing.
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Variations on this theme have been around for a long time......decades.......when we lived in New York, drugs scheduled I, II or III were required to have the physician complete a "triplicate" prescription form, which contained the patients SSN and other vital information, which were sent to the state and placed in your personal file (both the NYS DEA and NY Justice Dept.)........all this additional bureaucracy and manpower (as well as taxpayer expense) did NOTHING to reduce illicit prescription abuse.
All of this nonsense just makes physicians reluctant to prescribe needed medications for patients (as in cancer and others) that really need them, for fear that by prescribing them they open themselves up to hassles from bureaucrats and law enforcement.
What I really find amusing is here, in my state there are a number of restrictions placed on patients and pharmacies (not doctors) regarding ID requirements, refills, and how soon a patient can order a refill on scheduled drugs.......however, I can go to a Vet and get a prescription for the same medication, in the exact same dosage, for a dog, and there are no restrictions at all........
doc
You'll get fleas.
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You guys think the hoops you have to jump through to fill a painkiller script are bad.......around here, try to buy a package of (nonprescription generic) Sudafed........
I'm constantly plagued with a nasal allergy problem, and it's far less paperwork to fill a Schedule II script, than it is to buy a package of friggen Sudafed........I used to have the pharmacy order them in a 500 tablet bulk bottle, they were dirt cheap.....no more......now it's drivers license, SSN, sign a statement of usage, get your photo taken......for 50 tablets.
I place the "War on Drugs" in the same category with TSA airport screening.......lots of taxpayer expense, with very little results. I certainly don't believe that drugs should be made legal, but if druggies want to kill themselves using them......let them.......seems to me like a win-win, all around.
doc
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Tou guys think the hoops you have to jump through to fill a painkiller script are bad.......around here, try to buy a package of (nonprescription generic) Sudafed........
I'm constantly plagued with a nasal allergy problem, and it's far less paperwork to fill a Schedule II script, than it is to buy a package of friggen Sudafed........I used to have the pharmacy order them in a 500 tablet bulk bottle, they were dirt cheap.....no more......now it's drivers license, SSN, sign a statement of usage, get your photo taken......for 50 tablets.
I place the "War on Drugs" in the same category with TSA airport screening.......lots of taxpayer expense, with very little results. I certainly don't believe that drugs should be made legal, but if druggies want to kill themselves using them......let them.......seems to me like a win-win, all around.
doc
Illinois requires that for Liquid Plumber. :banghead: They also track and limit sudafed purchases.
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I haven't had to get the photo taken, doc, but as I suffer from nasal congestion as well, the hoops are almost as bad.
At your local Walgreen's or CVS, You've got to pick out the OTC meds you want -- but you can't pick out the meds themselves, only a representative card.
Then you have to take the card to the pharmacy window. If the pharmacy's closed, you're f'ed. (That happened to me on our recent cruise. It took two days of suffering to get some f'n medication THAT ACTUALLY WORKS. That other bullshit they sell doesn't work worth a damn. But I digress....)
They punch up some kind of statement thing on the credit card reader and you're expected to read it and hit the x, acknowledging compliance with the bullshit law. Then a place for a signature opens up and you "sign".
The really ridiculous thing is, besides all this bullshit you have to wade through, is that you can legally buy up to 9 grams of pseudoephedrine and related drugs per month, per purchaser.
I can't recall how many MILLIGRAMS of pseudoephedrine there are in a package of, say 20 caps, but it's pretty minimal. I did the math once and I seem to remember being legally entitled to buy 150+ PACKAGES of 20 caps of Sudafed per month -- and DEA won't blink an eye.
But everybody whose head is completely blocked has to go through this dickdance because GWB signed into law the legislation at the link.
Thanks, George. You're another ****ing liberal in sheep's clothing. :argh:
LOC (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&dbname=cp109&sid=cp109djs6R&refer=&r_n=hr333.109&item=&sel=TOC_358801&%3E)
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Weird that, in Arizona, at least the time I had to pick up some fentanyl patches for one of my dogs, I had to sign for the stuff, even though the dog weighed around 20 pounds and whatever pain relief was in there wouldn't have done anything for me. :whatever:
As a person for whom hydrocodone has been prescribed these past seven years, no, I don't care if my name is in some database. Tricare already monitors me, and since I'm doing nothing illegal and the drugs are correctly prescribed for legitimate pain issues, I've got nothing to hide.
What truly pisses me off is that drug abuse of legitimate prescriptions of opiates has made doctors more nervous than a cat in a room full of occupied rocking chairs, and the hyper monitoring of my pain relief needs-I have to get a new prescription every month and it's a pain in the ass.
Anyway, I figure if we chronic pain patients have to be put through our paces so rigorously, same at least should apply to welfare recipients. I'd like for them to have to submit their grocery bills to some processing/monitoring center so as to make sure they haven't sold their food stamps for dope, booze, whatever. Also, why should servicemembers be subjected to random urine screening for drugs while welfare recipients don't have to do the same thing.
AWESOME! :yahoo:
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I haven't had to get the photo taken, doc, but as I suffer from nasal congestion as well, the hoops are almost as bad.
You don't even know that it's being taken, there's a tiny pinhole camera built into the POS terminal, directly above the credit card reader, and when you hit the "x" for the usage statement, it records your photo in the record that is created when you sign. I didn't know that either until I was bitching to my neighbor about the procedure (she's the managing pharmacist at our local Walgreens), and she told me about it.......dunno if it's required by the law, but all the big pharmacies (Wallgreens, CVS, Walmart, etal) do it, allegedly to "protect themselves".
At least according to her, the cameras were originally built into the terminals to record photos of pharmacy hold-ups, particularly for those stores that are open all night, and their use was incorporated into the Sudafed procedure.
doc
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You don't even know that it's being taken, there's a tiny pinhole camera built into the POS terminal, directly above the credit card reader, and when you hit the "x" for the usage statement, it records your photo in the record that is created when you sign. I didn't know that either until I was bitching to my neighbor about the procedure (she's the managing pharmacist at our local Walgreens), and she told me about it.......dunno if it's required by the law, but all the big pharmacies (Wallgreens, CVS, Walmart, etal) do it, allegedly to "protect themselves".
At least according to her, the cameras were originally built into the terminals to record photos of pharmacy hold-ups, particularly for those stores that are open all night, and their use was incorporated into the Sudafed procedure.
doc
Interesting - I did not know that.
There's about 2-3 major drug busts here in this area, taking down meth labs. As you know, it's fairly rural here.
If this law is so effective, why are meth labs still so popular? Rat bastards. GWB ****ed up big time when he signed this POS legislation into law.
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you know there was was a lot of "meth" news a few years ago but it has died down recently.
i havent heard of any meth lab or major meth deal busts lately. everything in the news is making new "synthetic" drugs illegal. (synthetic pot, bath salts, etc)
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you know there was was a lot of "meth" news a few years ago but it has died down recently.
i havent heard of any meth lab or major meth deal busts lately. everything in the news is making new "synthetic" drugs illegal. (synthetic pot, bath salts, etc)
Missouri ranks waaaaaay up there (may be #1) with meth labs in the entire country. It's a huge problem here.
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Missouri ranks waaaaaay up there (may be #1) with meth labs in the entire country. It's a huge problem here.
so that explains it
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Missouri ranks waaaaaay up there (may be #1) with meth labs in the entire country. It's a huge problem here.
Show me.
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These people kill me!
I had my RF nerve block yesterday. I left with Roxiecodone 15mgs, Percocet 10mgs, Valium 5mgs. I did'nt ask for any of that shit. I am going to fill them and hold them in case I do need them bad in the future and they put me through that hoops shit.
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You guys think the hoops you have to jump through to fill a painkiller script are bad.......around here, try to buy a package of (nonprescription generic) Sudafed........
I'm constantly plagued with a nasal allergy problem, and it's far less paperwork to fill a Schedule II script, than it is to buy a package of friggen Sudafed........I used to have the pharmacy order them in a 500 tablet bulk bottle, they were dirt cheap.....no more......now it's drivers license, SSN, sign a statement of usage, get your photo taken......for 50 tablets.
I place the "War on Drugs" in the same category with TSA airport screening.......lots of taxpayer expense, with very little results. I certainly don't believe that drugs should be made legal, but if druggies want to kill themselves using them......let them.......seems to me like a win-win, all around.
doc
Detour:
This reminds me of the Showtime show Shameless (with William H Macy). It is my husband and my favorite show. We don't miss a Sunday. It's pretty raunchy and well...shameless. Anyway the mother of William H Macy's character showed up a couple of episodes ago. Early release from prison, she ran a meth lab. She is a disgusting old lady. She gets out because she is old and ill but starts her meth lab all over again. She gets her sudafed by going to the drug store in a wheel chair with her young grandson. Has him beg people walking in to the store to buy him sudafed for his ill grandmother. Next scene he is wheeling her back to the house with bags and bags full of sudafed The meth lab ends up exploding in the basement.
Anyone who liked Weeds will love Shameless. The characters are great but again, it's very raunchy so those that get easily offended, well this show won't be for you.
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Show me.
Correct. It's the state motto. :-)
Seriously, Google is your friend.
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Correct. It's the state motto. :-)
Seriously, Google is your friend.
http://visitbulgaria.info/16024-missouri-has-highest-number-meth-lab-seizures-usa
Missouri Has Highest Number Of Meth Lab Seizures In USA
They just don't know how to hide :lmao:
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Illinois requires that for Liquid Plumber. :banghead: They also track and limit sudafed purchases.
Liquid Plumber, got to be kidding me, we have all gone to hell in a hand basket.
I recently read an article on shake and bake drugs that can be made in a bathroom stall at Wilmar's.
Hard to believe this is real but people are getting 3'd degree burns from this practice if not handled correctly.
Life is becoming insane when people will willing reach out and buy these drugs, or people will try to make these drugs in a public bathroom of a store,
What the hell is wrong with people, no jobs, too much time on their hands???
Shit, between the prescription medication and the OTC stuff, we are becoming a nation of Zombies.
Now the question I have about all these drugs, prescription, OTC or illegal do they interact with the preservatives in our food ???
Some of our fresh vegetables have preservatives like wax on turnips, lately OJ and fruit juices have 4 times the Arsenic then allowed in tap water.
Few things I see canned or frozen do not have some kind of stuff in it to preserve the taste, color or shelf life. So what is this crap and how will it interact with medication, RX or OTC.
YES, I do have a concern with drugs, both natural and man made. I am allergic to penicillin and Aureomycin, so far
I found out by accident I cannot add Bean-O to beans as it has something in it that is contraindicated for penicillin allergy's.
Even if one raises their own chickens for eggs and buys their feed, just look at the food we feed them in the ingredients, darn 5 inches of small print on the sack of bird food of additives in with the corn.
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Shit, between the prescription medication and the OTC stuff, we are becoming a nation of Zombies.
You called ?