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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Skul on February 19, 2012, 05:20:10 PM
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nadinbrzezinski Sun Feb 19, 2012, 04:59 PM
Something functional on media dysfunction
It is not just who owns the media, but also the incestuous relationship between parties, power structure and media.
The media wants to retain access, this leads to stories not running because of that need for access, perceived or otherwise. This has led to a crazy system where stories are not covered due to this need for access...for that matter candidates challenging the power structure get no media coverage due to these issues.
We do not have a government system of censorship. What we have is a self imposed censorship system that is just as damaging.
It will take small indie media to break these patters. And even that, it will be difficult.
Suffice it to say long gone are the days when you did not know Cronkite was a right winger, and access was much wider and news was a tad wider. This is also one reason the large media conglomerates want to shut down the small ones. They fear small indies will figure this out and start doing what they are not doing. As is traditional large media has ahem, trust issues.
Regardless, this is a very toxic state for our democracy and the future of the nation.
I don't claim to have the solution...since it is rather complex...but something will have to give.
Right, Cnn, ABC, NBC, CBS, and Fox, are afraid of Nads. :rotf:
Only afraid she'll sit on their patters, and crack them.
I'd be afraid too.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 05:04 PM
RZM
1. Walter Cronkite a right winger?
That would be news to me.
It's in code, RZM. You wouldn't understand. :p
Response to RZM (Reply #1)
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 05:08 PM
nadinbrzezinski
2. Yes he was, but you never knew it you see, RZM, you're an idiot according to Nads.
It was a media code, hence billo and Keith would not have gotten news shows back then.
That media code disapeared with the Fairness Doctrine and... Yes, the rise of FOX. YAY!!1!
People coud have a bias in the editorial pages by the way. These days we are back into the era of partisan yellow journalism where papers are bought to push agendas. I will point to my local rag, the Union-Tribune, a RW paper that now is falling off the table when it was bought by Manchester....
As I like to joke, the 1880s are here all over again.
RZM throws the flag! Party on, DUde.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #2)
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 05:23 PM
RZM
5. No he wasn't. Quite the opposite, actually
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He was hated by the right. Here are a few choice bits from his wikipedia page:
He then list several sources. Many quite credible.
Nads freaks and scolds the nay-sayer.
Response to RZM (Reply #5)
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 05:32 PM
nadinbrzezinski
6. Look who you are quoting he did, DUmbass, that's why he threw the flag
He was to the right of the political spectrum for the era he was working in.
These days even St. Reagan is not right enough.
When I say he was, I am aware that by current standards nobody in the 1960s media system was. In fact,the concerted attack on the media by the John Birch types (and Nixon aparatchicks) started because of Watergate...as in full fledge.
Oh and having Rush call somebody a flaming lib is not exactly an endorsement. Anybody who does not agree with the far right are flaming libs, commies, socialists and fascists.
Why he is adored and hated, depending on who you ask, is precisely because he kept his personal believes that close to the vest.
This is also why that shoud be the ideal in reporting, but one I will never see in my lifetime...not unless a lot of things change...by the way.
There was a few more, then....
Response to RZM (Reply #7)
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 05:42 PM
zappaman
9. The OP is wrong. no sh*t
http://www.mrc.org/profiles-bias/walter-cronkite-liberal-media-icon
No reply from the great one.
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She's like the Energizer Bunny of wrong...she just keeps digging, and digging, and digging....
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nadinbrzezinski Sun Feb 19, 2012, 04:59 PM
Suffice it to say ...
Drink!
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Drink!
My God, even Ted Kennedy would have passed out by now.
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Drink!
AW CRAP!! I missed that.
Going now.
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nadinbrzezinski
8. Because of the work of Halbestram among others
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/07/david-halberstam-on-walter-cronkite/7590/
Suffice it to say by current standards am Ike Republican (which Kennedy suspected he was) is a flaming commie.
And I applaud him for keeping his politics that close to the vest.
Drink again boys!!! She's on a roll tonight.
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Obamanaut(10,047 posts)
18. We are saved! The comment drought has been lifted. No longer must we roam aimlessly and uninformed
through the peaks and valleys of non-nformation and uncrunchiness. Once again we have guidance.
Suffice it to say it is the dawn of a new patter.
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Obamanaut
17. Of course you did not know. You are not a pattern discerning code deciphering dot connecting
trained historian able to see these, ahem, trends.
Them abilities are reserved for the chosen few, er, one.
:rotf:
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Obamanaut
18. We are saved! The comment drought has been lifted. No longer must we roam aimlessly and uninformed
through the peaks and valleys of non-nformation and uncrunchiness. Once again we have guidance.
Suffice it to say it is the dawn of a new patter.
Suffice it to say, thank our lucky stars that it is as how else would we have known that Cronkite was a neocon??
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Somebody please have mercy, and translate this for me.
Response to socialindependocrat (Reply #15)
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 06:24 PM
nadinbrzezinski
16. Well I have all kinds of laughter
When they tell me the market will determine price. Hand and all that you know. The hand has all kinds of caveats, one being monopolies. It stops working when you have those. If you are the only game in town, you determine the price. Oh yes you coud get it cheaper if...oh wait. With five media systems we are there as wel..and quality of things like yes, reporting, is gone down.
And we have the pressure from corporate to keep the bed well feathered.
It blew Zappa away, too.
Noticed this and thought I'd throw it in.
Zappa's link is in ref. to the false winter soldier.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 06:03 PM
zappaman
12. If indie media reports unsubstantiated facebook postings as facts
then we are all up shit's creek, yup.
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/1002179652
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nadin's confused again.
The John Birch Society had nothing to do, or say, about Watergate.
Watergate was 1972-1974.
The John Birch Society flourished circa 1960-1965, and then abruptly declined.
Sometimes nadin's mind is like mud, where she mixes things all together.
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Suffice it to say long gone are the days when you did not know Cronkite was a right winger
Oh geez....
:epicfacepalm:
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I guess if you live long enough you will see some crazy shit someplace. I wonder if Uncle Walter knows he's a right winger? I'm absolutly certain that he himself has said in public during an interview that he's a liberal.
Here is a youtube video of him defending liberalism. Hardly a rightwing thing to do.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eybGwtjW3ro[/youtube]
Interview with Bernard Goldberg who worked with Walter Cronkite and he says He was a huge liberal as well.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf6IVfnf7Ng[/youtube]
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We really need a special achievement award for Obamanaut. I love that guy!! :rotf:
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We really need a special achievement award for Obamanaut. I love that guy!! :rotf:
It would have to be in one of the fora that's not seen by the general public, then. A special award for Obamanaut would mean an automatic tombstone.
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Obamanaut, you magnificent bastard!!
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My God, even Ted Kennedy would have passed out by now.
Now that's funny! I don't care who ya are!!!
nadin's confused again.
The John Birch Society had nothing to do, or say, about Watergate.
Watergate was 1972-1974.
The John Birch Society flourished circa 1960-1965, and then abruptly declined.
Sometimes nadin's mind is like mud, where she mixes things all together.
NadaBrain is just about as intelligent as a Birch "tree"! How can anyone go thru life this unaware of the facts? This bitch really is a C-word, ain't she?