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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: FreeBorn on February 11, 2012, 01:59:00 AM
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Your take on 2012?
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It would depend on what happens with congress.
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Keep your powder dry boys!
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I'm off to the the buried shipping container with its five-year supply of MREs.
My new occupations will be push-ups and writing out the 1980 World Book Encyclopedia in longhand, chuckling over such enties as "USSR" and "Constitution of the United States".
Unless the shortwave brings me news of citizen uprisings, I'll see you in 2017.
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It would depend on what happens with congress.
That's my thought. If the GOP holds the House and takes the Senate, then it's survivable. At the other end of the spectrum, if the Dems get control of the House, Senate, and White House, we're on the zipline to doom.
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That's my thought. If the GOP holds the House and takes the Senate, then it's survivable. At the other end of the spectrum, if the Dems get control of the House, Senate, and White House, we're on the zipline to doom.
Remember that rarely in modern history are second terms very successful. But I do fear for our country if the Dems regain control of the House & hold the Senate.
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Obummer is a goner. No way he repeats. Repubs take the Senate and the Presidency. The Democraps have to defend over 20 seats in Nov. while the Repubs have to defend half that many. 2012 is going to be a great year for Republicans.
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Hi,
I subscribe to a whole lot of various newsletters; particularly about investing. There is a website shadowstats.com The guy who owns it is a former Bureau of Labor Statistics employee who calculates the CPI and unemployment numbers they way they were when Social Security was indexed for inflation. You can click on the site and see the numbers on the first page.
I have his special report "Hyperinflation 2012" which is a very heavy read. He says we are already past the brink, BO has seen to that. No later than 2014 it is going to really hit the fan. I mean he is talking about survival, not sure what is going to happen. He compares other countries that have gone into hyperinflation and they all had other things in place, like a black market, so the society had ways to function. When the dollar goes south and people are doing anything and everything to get rid of them while they can get something, anything, for them we have no backup system. Commerce will come to a screeching halt. In Zimbabwe and Yugoslavia they had virtually no food on the shelves of grocery stores and the system went to barter. His comment was that Zimbabwe already had an effective black market and Yugoslavia had US dollars; neither of which we have in the US.
Not sure where what form it will take but his message is we should all be well prepared.
Not so sure the muskets choice is not the one we will be faced with whether we like it or not. It can happen in the US despite the millions of people that think that crap happens only in third world countries. Once the oil starts trading in something other than dollars foreign countries have no need for dollars and will dump them as quickly as they can. Once the dam bursts, so many folks will be selling dollars the collapse will be here. It will happen almost in a split second.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news; my message is be prepared. I hope I am wrong. If I am, is it so bad to have some stored food, water and ammunition on hand in case of a natural disaster???
Regards
5412
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I guess I am the only optimist on the board. I still think it is "morning in America" and though another term of Obama will knock us down a bit, I think we will recover fine. It might be a tough go for a while but I think we will be fine in the long term. (but just in case be prepared for the worst)
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Hi,
I subscribe to a whole lot of various newsletters; particularly about investing. There is a website shadowstats.com The guy who owns it is a former Bureau of Labor Statistics employee who calculates the CPI and unemployment numbers they way they were when Social Security was indexed for inflation. You can click on the site and see the numbers on the first page.
I have his special report "Hyperinflation 2012" which is a very heavy read. He says we are already past the brink, BO has seen to that. No later than 2014 it is going to really hit the fan. I mean he is talking about survival, not sure what is going to happen. He compares other countries that have gone into hyperinflation and they all had other things in place, like a black market, so the society had ways to function. When the dollar goes south and people are doing anything and everything to get rid of them while they can get something, anything, for them we have no backup system. Commerce will come to a screeching halt. In Zimbabwe and Yugoslavia they had virtually no food on the shelves of grocery stores and the system went to barter. His comment was that Zimbabwe already had an effective black market and Yugoslavia had US dollars; neither of which we have in the US.
Not sure where what form it will take but his message is we should all be well prepared.
Not so sure the muskets choice is not the one we will be faced with whether we like it or not. It can happen in the US despite the millions of people that think that crap happens only in third world countries. Once the oil starts trading in something other than dollars foreign countries have no need for dollars and will dump them as quickly as they can. Once the dam bursts, so many folks will be selling dollars the collapse will be here. It will happen almost in a split second.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news; my message is be prepared. I hope I am wrong. If I am, is it so bad to have some stored food, water and ammunition on hand in case of a natural disaster???
Regards
5412
I think you have it spot on. I'm going to spend a lot of disposable income over the next year or so stocking up on beans, bullets and toilet paper.
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That's my thought. If the GOP holds the House and takes the Senate, then it's survivable. At the other end of the spectrum, if the Dems get control of the House, Senate, and White House, we're on the zipline to doom.
Considering how much regualtion by fiat is occurring I think we would be in a serious constitutional showdown.
Assuming the GOP found its spine and was willing to defund rogue agencies such as the EPA, NLRB etc. They'd only need 51% of the votes but vetoes would ensue so we'd spend another 4 years living off of continuing resolutions.
We'd be absolutely ****ed on judicial appointments.
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We'd be absolutely ****ed on judicial appointments.[/b]
Which is a very important aspect IMO. These justices are appointed for life, so it's not like they can be voted out of office.
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Hi,
I subscribe to a whole lot of various newsletters; particularly about investing. There is a website shadowstats.com The guy who owns it is a former Bureau of Labor Statistics employee who calculates the CPI and unemployment numbers they way they were when Social Security was indexed for inflation. You can click on the site and see the numbers on the first page.
I have his special report "Hyperinflation 2012" which is a very heavy read. He says we are already past the brink, BO has seen to that. No later than 2014 it is going to really hit the fan. I mean he is talking about survival, not sure what is going to happen. He compares other countries that have gone into hyperinflation and they all had other things in place, like a black market, so the society had ways to function. When the dollar goes south and people are doing anything and everything to get rid of them while they can get something, anything, for them we have no backup system. Commerce will come to a screeching halt. In Zimbabwe and Yugoslavia they had virtually no food on the shelves of grocery stores and the system went to barter. His comment was that Zimbabwe already had an effective black market and Yugoslavia had US dollars; neither of which we have in the US.
Not sure where what form it will take but his message is we should all be well prepared.
Not so sure the muskets choice is not the one we will be faced with whether we like it or not. It can happen in the US despite the millions of people that think that crap happens only in third world countries. Once the oil starts trading in something other than dollars foreign countries have no need for dollars and will dump them as quickly as they can. Once the dam bursts, so many folks will be selling dollars the collapse will be here. It will happen almost in a split second.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news; my message is be prepared. I hope I am wrong. If I am, is it so bad to have some stored food, water and ammunition on hand in case of a natural disaster???
Regards
5412
This is all very close to my line of thinking on the whole thing. If we do see the misfortune of a Soetoro second term, even under the "best" possible conditions of a republican controlled House and Senate with a lame duck White House we are still well and truly effed. As Sarge pointed out, on Supreme Court appointments alone we may actually see the demise of the republic as we know it.
With a Soetoro second term coupled with dem majorities in the House and Senate for the next four years, the "worst" possible conditions, then I foresee the very real possibility of mass unrest such as the L.A. riots but in every major population center from coast to coast, perhaps even to the point of a second civil war.
With the majority of Americans being decent hard working people of good moral character I sense there is a lot of lip biting out there and a widespread sense that we can survive '08-'12 and then right the ship. If it turns out to be '08-'16 though, that will be the tipping point, no more stoic steady as she goes tomorrow will be better sentiment holding sway any longer.
This country has not been more divided since the 1850's. In a broader sense I feel the world is a very unsettled and dangerous place these days, likely even more so today than in the 1930's. The thing that will cause it all to hit the fan, nationwide and indeed worldwide will be the U.S. Dollar doing the dead guppy float. When that happens -and it IS coming- things are going to get very ugly.
I recall reading several years ago that the real reason, the most pressing and urgent reason that we went into Iraq in '03 was because Saddam was making moves to trade his oil in Euros. Up until that point according to USMC General Zunni Saddam was effectively contained under the sanctions and did not pose a military threat in the region.
Once he threatened to move away from the dollar on oil that tore it, he sealed his fate right there.
"With speculation mounting over the possibility of a US- or Israeli-led military attack of Iran sometime later this year, it has been suggested that real motivation for US antipathy towards the Iranian government has little to do with concerns that Tehran is developing nuclear weapons. Some commentators have instead suggested that Iran’s real Iranian threat to the US and its economy is that, in defiance of the US administration, it is attempting to establish an oil ‘bourse’ (exchange) in March of this year which would enable oil to be traded in euros. This would move oil sales away from their usual denomination in dollars and would, it is argued, undermine the American currency with grave consequences for the US economy. (1,2) This internet-based debate is reminiscent of what occurred before the invasion of Iraq when several observers, myself included, hypothesised that Saddam Hussein’s decision to sell Iraqi oil in euros was perhaps one of the reasons the US wanted ‘regime change’. (3,4) The US decision after the invasion to return Iraqi oil sales to dollar denomination and to convert back into dollars all Iraqi foreign currency reserves, which had been in euros prior to the war, was certainly entirely consistent with this theory."
http://www.energybulletin.net/node/12463
Now very recently we have India and others showing interest in trading for their oil in gold, this is not good.
http://rt.com/news/iran-india-gold-oil-543/
Thank you for citing shadowstats, very revealing site. :cheersmate:
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This is all very close to my line of thinking on the whole thing. If we do see the misfortune of a Soetoro second term, even under the "best" possible conditions of a republican controlled House and Senate with a lame duck White House we are still well and truly effed. As Sarge pointed out, on Supreme Court appointments alone we may actually see the demise of the republic as we know it.
With a Soetoro second term coupled with dem majorities in the House and Senate for the next four years, the "worst" possible conditions, then I foresee the very real possibility of mass unrest such as the L.A. riots but in every major population center from coast to coast, perhaps even to the point of a second civil war.
With the majority of Americans being decent hard working people of good moral character I sense there is a lot of lip biting out there and a widespread sense that we can survive '08-'12 and then right the ship. If it turns out to be '08-'16 though, that will be the tipping point, no more stoic steady as she goes tomorrow will be better sentiment holding sway any longer.
This country has not been more divided since the 1850's. In a broader sense I feel the world is a very unsettled and dangerous place these days, likely even more so today than in the 1930's. The thing that will cause it all to hit the fan, nationwide and indeed worldwide will be the U.S. Dollar doing the dead guppy float. When that happens -and it IS coming- things are going to get very ugly.
I recall reading several years ago that the real reason, the most pressing and urgent reason that we went into Iraq in '03 was because Saddam was making moves to trade his oil in Euros. Up until that point according to USMC General Zunni Saddam was effectively contained under the sanctions and did not pose a military threat in the region.
Once he threatened to move away from the dollar on oil that tore it, he sealed his fate right there.
"With speculation mounting over the possibility of a US- or Israeli-led military attack of Iran sometime later this year, it has been suggested that real motivation for US antipathy towards the Iranian government has little to do with concerns that Tehran is developing nuclear weapons. Some commentators have instead suggested that Iran’s real Iranian threat to the US and its economy is that, in defiance of the US administration, it is attempting to establish an oil ‘bourse’ (exchange) in March of this year which would enable oil to be traded in euros. This would move oil sales away from their usual denomination in dollars and would, it is argued, undermine the American currency with grave consequences for the US economy. (1,2) This internet-based debate is reminiscent of what occurred before the invasion of Iraq when several observers, myself included, hypothesised that Saddam Hussein’s decision to sell Iraqi oil in euros was perhaps one of the reasons the US wanted ‘regime change’. (3,4) The US decision after the invasion to return Iraqi oil sales to dollar denomination and to convert back into dollars all Iraqi foreign currency reserves, which had been in euros prior to the war, was certainly entirely consistent with this theory."
http://www.energybulletin.net/node/12463
Now very recently we have India and others showing interest in trading for their oil in gold, this is not good.
http://rt.com/news/iran-india-gold-oil-543/
Thank you for citing shadowstats, very revealing site. :cheersmate:
Hell, the asshat is already ruling by executive fiat. Congress refuses to take him to task.
It's going to get real ugly if he is re-elected.
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Considering how much regualtion by fiat is occurring I think we would be in a serious constitutional showdown.
Assuming the GOP found its spine and was willing to defund rogue agencies such as the EPA, NLRB etc. They'd only need 51% of the votes but vetoes would ensue so we'd spend another 4 years living off of continuing resolutions.
We'd be absolutely ****ed on judicial appointments.
You're absolutely right, but that's why I said "Survivable," not "Okay."
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Obama has done such an outstanding job of dividing the country into hate filled groups that if he were to win the election, I don't believe he would live to see out a second term.
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Johnny, I sure hope nothing like that happens (Starting with his re-election, of course) but the old saying "Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind" seems all too likely to be where this could go.
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Obama has done such an outstanding job of dividing the country into hate filled groups that if he were to win the election, I don't believe he would live to see out a second term.
I surely hope no one ever attempts to hurt him or succeeds. It would plunge this country into a very dark time with riots and contempt. Gawd, would be the worst situation!
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Remember that rarely in modern history are second terms very successful. But I do fear for our country if the Dems regain control of the House & hold the Senate.
Every president in the modern who had a second term had much lower approval ratings and were getting unpopular in their term. Some were even marred by scandal.
Richard Nixon-Watergate
Ronald Reagan-Iran-Contra Affair
Bill Clinton-Monica Lewinsky
The only president who had a good second term was Dwight G. Eisenhower. Harry S Truman's second term was marred by fear of Communism in his administration. George W. Bush's approval ratings dropped after Katrina. Well, once their term was over, their popularity gained again.
If Barack Obama had a second term, which is probably not likely, he could do things he wants without re-election worries.
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Barry hasn't passed a single budget and is running a deficit of one to 1-1/2 trillion dollars every year.
We can't afford another four years of this asshole.
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I surely hope no one ever attempts to hurt him or succeeds. It would plunge this country into a very dark time with riots and contempt. Gawd, would be the worst situation!
Or would it just accelerate the time at which this does happen? I think it's not a matter of "if," but "when."
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you can never go wrong when you choose muskets
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I surely hope no one ever attempts to hurt him or succeeds. It would plunge this country into a very dark time with riots and contempt. Gawd, would be the worst situation!
The riots we can deal with (it's long past time)......
What we don't need is another black (political) martyr.......I couldn't tolerate driving down "Barak Hussein Obama Boulevard" every place I travel....... :mad:
doc
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The riots we can deal with (it's long past time)......
What we don't need is another black (political) martyr.......I couldn't tolerate driving down "Barak Hussein Obama Boulevard" every place I travel....... :mad:
doc
I am surprised we have not had major rioting since Los Angeles Riot in 1992. The economy was bad, but not that bad like right now. I noticed large scale riots happen when there is a mild recession or times of growth (mid to late 1960s).
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I am surprised we have not had major rioting since Los Angeles Riot in 1992. The economy was bad, but not that bad like right now. I noticed large scale riots happen when there is a mild recession or times of growth (mid to late 1960s).
All it will take is for just ONE idiot in the ghettos to start the riots, and they will rapidly spread out across the entire country.
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All it will take is for just ONE idiot in the ghettos to start the riots, and they will rapidly spread out across the entire country.
Assuming the '60's and the Rodney King riots to be typical, they just burn their own neighborhoods.....I'd call that an accelerated form of urban renewal.....what's not to like.....
doc
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The riots we can deal with (it's long past time)......
What we don't need is another black (political) martyr.......I couldn't tolerate driving down "Barak Hussein Obama Boulevard" every place I travel....... :mad:
doc
I have to say I agree. Every other street here and in other cities is named MLK blvd. We even have a friggin' ordinance here that says no duplicate street names or streets with proper names are allowed and every other street downtown is named MLK something. :mad:
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Oh, I have no doubt they will riot this summer.
What else can they do at this point.
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Oh, I have no doubt they will riot this summer.
What else can they do at this point.
Standing in front of places of business and holding their breath until they collectively turned blue or got their way was a tactical failure last fall. So yeah, rioting's the next logical step for them.
I'm kinda looking forward to it, actually.
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All it will take is for just ONE idiot in the ghettos to start the riots, and they will rapidly spread out across the entire country.
So true. Most large scale riots occur usually because of one person was a victim of police brutality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_Riots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_riots_of_1992
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latasha_Harlins
http://www.usc.edu/libraries/archives/cityinstress/mccone/part4.html
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Oh, I have no doubt they will riot this summer.
What else can they do at this point.
Well, they're running short of cop cars to take a dump on. And when the temps get warmer, that's when they get feisty.
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Or would it just accelerate the time at which this does happen? I think it's not a matter of "if," but "when."
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I've been saying that for years.
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The riots we can deal with (it's long past time)......
What we don't need is another black (political) martyr.......I couldn't tolerate driving down "Barak Hussein Obama Boulevard" every place I travel....... :mad:
doc
They have already starting renaming schools after him haven't they?
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(http://freebeacon.com/wp-content//uploads/2012/02/ObamaStreetSign-e1329165344203.png)
GONE in broad daylight...
A vehicle was reported audaciously stolen on Obama Way on Feb. 11 in Seaside, California around 5 p.m.
http://freebeacon.com/grand-theft-auto-on-obama-way/
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Did someone mention the Rodney King riots ? I'm still upset over those verdicts, and I never got my free TV and VCR. To account for inflation, they should convert to Flat Screen, and Blue Ray.