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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Tucker on February 09, 2012, 03:45:13 PM
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Thu Feb 9, 2012, 01:04 PM
Snake Alchemist (1,146 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
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It's time to end the idea of school districts.
If little Johnny from the wrong side of the tracks wants to go to Upper-class HS and he can get from home and back then let him go. You'll see school improvement nationwide almost immediately.
Let me see...Your idea is to move students that can't count to eleven without taking off a shoe and letting them enroll in a high performance school district and that district would have a higher rating.
No wonder you're called a DUmmy.
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Thu Feb 9, 2012, 02:01 PM
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18. Heres the thing your not looking at
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a great majority of the problem is parents. Kids with parents who care do better in school, no matter what school they are at. Parents have to start taking responsibility or they should not have kids.
Here's the problem:
The problems with public schools, besides being union controlled, is they have created their own monster and then blame others.
They pass students to the next level to get rid of them. This practice continues all through High School. Upon graduation, little Leroy and Leshonda can't read, add two plus two and thinks there are 57 states in the USA.
Leroy gets married to Leshonda who have their first baby, Lomas, 6 months later. Little Lomas starts school and is advanced to the next grade without the ability to read or write.
The unionized public school teacher then blames Leroy and Leshonda for not being involved in Lomas's education. Leroy and Leshonda can't help Lomas because of the prior failure of the unionized public school educator.
The unionized public school educator will then demand more money to solve the problem, when they are the problem.
It's so convenient.
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Thu Feb 9, 2012, 01:23 PM
meaculpa2011 (42 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. Any child in America...
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should be able to attend any public school in America.
The bureaucrats would all have nervous breakdowns, but until quality education for all becomes a reality parents should have the right to seek out the best schools for their children.
You do realize that teacher salaries would drop.
School districts that want higher standards, pass millages to better fund their district. If students from poorer outlying districts overcrowd better funded districts, then the residents would no longer pass millages. No millage, no funding for salary increase.
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Thu Feb 9, 2012, 03:30 PM
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21. Where there's a will there's a way when it comes to picking a good school.
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But you can't get into an overcrowded school. And many of the schools with top reputations are already very full. That's the problem. Usually people from the neighborhood around the school get the first choice to go to that school.
Better schools tend to be in neighborhoods with better educated, more affluent parents. That's just the reality.
Each child is different. A school with really high test scores may or may not be the right place for a child from a disadvantaged home. That child may feel really left behind in the school where all the other children have much larger vocabularies and more help at home. A teacher in a school with scores that are not so high may actually take more time with kids who need more help.
It just isn't so simple. I believe in neighborhood schools until high school with the exception of special needs children -- whether the special needs are those of the highly gifted or the disabled.
Awaiting the snakes reply to this one.
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Sounds like a voucher system to me...
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I'm thinking the DUmmies haven't been watching the movie "Waiting for Superman" lately.
If they did, their ****ing heads would explode.
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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)
Any child in America...
should be able to attend any public school in America.
Right toe! ...and southern states have a few million we are willing to ship today.
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Yep lets try that "Bussing" thing again where kids from one side of town go to the other side and nothing was accomplished except to make the politicians feel good and the poor kids might have gotten better food but not much else out of it. It didn't work then and won't work now but that's never stopped a liberal from wasting money
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Yep lets try that "Bussing" thing again where kids from one side of town go to the other side and nothing was accomplished except to make the politicians feel good and the poor kids might have gotten better food but not much else out of it. It didn't work then and won't work now but that's never stopped a liberal from wasting money
Not to mention when they tried it in "enlightened" liberal areas like Boston it damn near resulted in race rioting.
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Sounds like a voucher system to me...
My first thought.
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Not to mention when they tried it in "enlightened" liberal areas like Boston it damn near resulted in race rioting.
It was a race riot...white riot...same as a black riot minus the burning and stealing.
Typical liberal reaction to laws/rules intended for "THOSE" other people.
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The OP is very clever.
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Afraid not DUche. The schools would all get dumbed down
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Afraid not DUche. The schools would all get dumbed down
That's racist......but correct.
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Not to mention when they tried it in "enlightened" liberal areas like Boston it damn near resulted in race rioting.
It was on the news almost every week the kids practically tried to kill each other over it.
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It was a race riot...white riot...same as a black riot minus the burning and stealing.
Typical liberal reaction to laws/rules intended for "THOSE" other people.
They voted with their feet. Trust me, it was a trip, innocents abroad, to meet the refugees from Beantown in the woods of Maine and to a lesser extent New Hampshire. Ah, the stories I could tell. And then they wanted what they had left, street lights, cops, sewer, water, :banghead: real estate prices went through the roof along with taxes to build new schools for their little darlings. Looting and stealing would have been better for Maine, much of it still hasn't recovered. That was about the time I remember first hearing the epithet MassHole. They use to come and vacation in the summer, leave their money, then go home. Those were the days.
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It's been almost 40 years, and they have yet to figure out that "Masshole" is NOT a term of endearment.
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Maybe if they'd concentrate more on basic skills and less on "social studies" and other feel good multicultural bullshit children would learn to add & read. To this day my son has never used the important skill of building pueblos with empty Jello containers, cereal boxes & plaster. He didn't learn one piece of American history in public school beyond what they got on Washington & Jefferson's birthdays & dinner with the native Americans on Thanksgiving.
But one of the most critical problems, and I don't honestly have a clue how to fix this, is not every child learns the same way. Out of necessity, I guess, most schools only teach one way. Jake is a very hands on, physical learner. I think this is where the whole "dumb jock" thing comes from. You give one of these kids a new exercise, game, etc. and they pick it up right away. Every single subject can be adapted to different learning styles but there's just no way to do this in every classroom. They used to have this kind of thing for students they considered Talented & Gifted but often these were the kids who needed them the least.
And these kids can be taught to learn the traditional way but most simply aren't ready when they're in grade school. There's actually a school of thought that says boys, especially, shouldn't start school until they're 10 because prior to that (because boys and girls are different...who knew) boys are naturally developing their large motor skills while girls are working on fine motor skills. It's why girls usually have an easier time sitting skill and paying attention.
At this point I think the best option for kids who learn differently is homeschool.
Cindie
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People in gated communities talk a good game, but they don't want kids from the ghetto in their schools at all. Do you really think elite leftists in places like NYC would allow that?
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I do know that most DUmmies will graduate from reform school, if they graduate from any school at all.
Right Mrs. Dawson?
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For the record, these kids aren't dumb. They've been betrayed by a culture of permissiveness, lazy parents and dependency fueled by crony unions and demagogic politicians.
Genetically, they're no different from the rest of you humans ( :whatever: ) they are just the inevitiable product of the environment provided by their supposed caretakers.
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Genetically, they're no different from the rest of you humans ( :whatever: ) they are just the inevitiable product of the environment provided by their supposed caretakers.
B-I-N-G-O!
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People in gated communities talk a good game, but they don't want kids from the ghetto in their schools at all. Do you really think elite leftists in places like NYC would allow that?
My NYC lifetime liberal amigo sent his kids to private school. But he believes strongly in Pubik Edukation, honest he does.
He doesn't see it as being a hypocrite just giving his kids all the advantages.
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For the record, these kids aren't dumb. They've been betrayed by a culture of permissiveness, lazy parents and dependency fueled by crony unions and demagogic politicians.
Genetically, they're no different from the rest of you humans ( :whatever: ) they are just the inevitiable product of the environment provided by their supposed caretakers.
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Jesse, Al and all the liberal politicians.
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B-I-N-G-O!
Which would then stand to reason that allowing a child from "the wrong side of the tracks" to attend the "good" public school would automatically raise his/her scores. However, they have to return to that environment every night and still will behave the way those around them do. And so the cycle continues. How about we bus the teachers?
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A great deal of learning occurs at home. A child surrounded by talkative adults and people who read will naturally have better language skills than a child who watches TV all day, even "educational" programming. A child with a parent who reads to them regularly will be much better prepared to learn to read, or may even know how to read, when they start school. Plus, do they have somebody at home to help them with homework, or even make sure that they finish it?
Moving them to a different school may help them some academically, but if they are returning to the same home environment it may not be as dramatic as people expect. They would have a significant amount of catching up to do. If a family and culture of a child doesn't value education, then there is really fairly little that the school itself can do.
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For the record, these kids aren't dumb. They've been betrayed by a culture of permissiveness, lazy parents and dependency fueled by crony unions and demagogic politicians.
Genetically, they're no different from the rest of you humans ( :whatever: ) they are just the inevitiable product of the environment provided by their supposed caretakers.
Ok lets review:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-R0FTfkPAQ[/youtube]
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Many of these under performing kids have parents that are a product of a public school education.
They themselves can neither read nor write .
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For the record, these kids aren't dumb. They've been betrayed by a culture of permissiveness, lazy parents and dependency fueled by crony unions and demagogic politicians.
Genetically, they're no different from the rest of you humans ( :whatever: ) they are just the inevitiable product of the environment provided by their supposed caretakers.
And if they're shipped in here, they'll bring with them their democrat gang colors, their democrat thievery, their graffiti, their weapons, their contempt for learning, their democrat doorags, and their democrat saggy jeans.
People moved here a few miles from a democrat hellhole, and paid double or triple for their property, so their kids could avoid living with democrats.
Right now, the worst problems we have are once in a while toilet paper hanging from trees, and an occasional drive-by snubbing.
I've never heard of a burglary or a car being broken into. But less than ten miles away, it's like the Wild West.
I'd just as soon the democrats stayed on their reservation, killing and stealing from one another.
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meaculpa2011 (42 posts)
8. Any child in America...
should be able to attend any public school in America.
Who pays for the NYC-LA airfare, DUmbass?
Get a grip, and read what you wrote.
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Which would then stand to reason that allowing a child from "the wrong side of the tracks" to attend the "good" public school would automatically raise his/her scores.
Yeah, it doesn't work that way. The schools will, most likely, see their cumulative grade average decline and the kids will be far behind. To rectify that, they'll dumb down ALL the curriculum to satisfy government requirements. It's not like we don't have actual history of this. It happened during integration. You can't just pick up a kid from a bad area, put him in a good area, and expect the kid to perform well because you don't even know if the kid wants that. Making them compete for a better school is how you achieve those goals. It's why Davison Fine Arts and A.R. Johnson magnet schools in downtown Augusta are some of the best high schools in the nation. Competition.
Sorry people, some kids are just dumb shits. All is not equal.
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Not to mention when they tried it in "enlightened" liberal areas like Boston it damn near resulted in race rioting.
You mean like this?
(http://www.quickanded.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Boston-475x340.jpg)
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Yeah, it doesn't work that way. The schools will, most likely, see their cumulative grade average decline and the kids will be far behind. To rectify that, they'll dumb down ALL the curriculum to satisfy government requirements. It's not like we don't have actual history of this. It happened during integration. You can't just pick up a kid from a bad area, put him in a good area, and expect the kid to perform well because you don't even know if the kid wants that. Making them compete for a better school is how you achieve those goals. It's why Davison Fine Arts and A.R. Johnson magnet schools in downtown Augusta are some of the best high schools in the nation. Competition.
Sorry people, some kids are just dumb shits. All is not equal.
Some are dumb shits because they strive to be that way.
This may be taken as racist by the thinned skinned super sensitive but I assure you, I don't mean it that way.
My son has always complained about a lack of discipline in the local schools. He joined the Army JROTC at his school when he entered the ninth grade. He was looking forward to a well run unit. He was extremely disappointed in the lack of discipline even in the Jrotc program...so much so he was crying after being in the Christmas parade with his unit....said he was ashamed to be seen with them. It was bad enough that he wanted to try to change his schools ROTC program to Marine JROTC.
He, at that time, had an inside line to Jim DeMints office and the district US Representatives office. They said they would help but he had to get the school to agree to a change. I did some research on the net for him and made a few phone calls to schools that had Marine JROTC. When he made his enquiries at the School and school board, the answers were a flat NO. No amount of evidence would move them, they didn't want to hear it.
There are 6 schools in S.C. with MCJROTC programs. 5 of them are predominately black....and score well above average for similar schools. When I called the principles and talked with them they gave a good bit of the credit to the MCJROTC programs. Seems the MCJROTC have strict requirements for grades, personal appearance, and conduct that are strictly enforced by their Marine instructors. Seems that the MCJROTC program not only improves the students in the program but also rubs off on those that aren't in it. The principles (3) that I talked to couldn't praise what it had done for their schools enough.
What schools need is structure and some discipline....but hell no, some liberals kid might suffer some self esteem problems if he is require to act/behave a certain way.
The MCJROTC students won't have a problem with self esteem, they have something they have earned and can be proud of.
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And if they're shipped in here, they'll bring with them their democrat gang colors, their democrat thievery, their graffiti, their weapons, their contempt for learning, their democrat doorags, and their democrat saggy jeans...
No tolerance for that bullshit.
Vouchers with the right of schools to reject/dismiss disruptive brats. If parents want to ship their kids out: OK, but that means they impose standards from home all the way forward because no school should be obligated to accept a voucher or the brat behind it.
Education is not a right, it's the privilege of wealthy society that confers an obligation on its recipients.
As soon as "welfare" was re-labeled as an "entitlement" all hell broke loose.
Change the mindset and much will change with it.
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Yep lets try that "Bussing" thing again where kids from one side of town go to the other side and nothing was accomplished except to make the politicians feel good and the poor kids might have gotten better food but not much else out of it. It didn't work then and won't work now but that's never stopped a liberal from wasting money
Yeah, it worked out so well years ago.
I was a senior in HS when they thought it'd be a good idea to bus kids from the north side (predominately, but not exclusively, black) of town to the south side (predominately, but not exclusively, white). The kids were happy where they were. Outside agitation was the primary cause. The parents of kids from the north side didn't want their children to have to ride the bus for 45 minutes to and from school every day and the kids sure as hell didn't want to. When they were forced to do so riots ensued.
I missed 54 days of school in my senior year due to rioting. You couldn't get from one hall to the other without an angry mob to have to shove through. Kids were attacked and stabbed in the bathrooms. A bus was commandeered by one of the north side kids and driven all over town. The administration could barely keep glass in the school windows.
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Yeah, it worked out so well years ago.
I was a senior in HS when they thought it'd be a good idea to bus kids from the north side (predominately, but not exclusively, black) of town to the south side (predominately, but not exclusively, white). The kids were happy where they were. Outside agitation was the primary cause. The parents of kids from the north side didn't want their children to have to ride the bus for 45 minutes to and from school every day and the kids sure as hell didn't want to. When they were forced to do so riots ensued.
I missed 54 days of school in my senior year due to rioting. You couldn't get from one hall to the other without an angry mob to have to shove through. Kids were attacked and stabbed in the bathrooms. A bus was commandeered by one of the north side kids and driven all over town. The administration could barely keep glass in the school windows.
Damn, where'd you go to school, Mogadishu?
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Believe it or not in KY.
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Believe it or not in KY.
Yeah......when we lived in Louisville, on the east side, our youngest was coming up on the birth date rotation to be bussed all the way across town......fortunately we were transferred before the next school year began, or we were ready to place him in a private school.
doc
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Yep lets try that "Bussing" thing again where kids from one side of town go to the other side and nothing was accomplished except to make the politicians feel good and the poor kids might have gotten better food but not much else out of it. It didn't work then and won't work now but that's never stopped a liberal from wasting money
Forced busing was a great democrat idea, and its effect is easy to see today.
Before forced busing in blue hellhole cities, you had a few schools that were nearly all white, and a few schools that were nearly all black.
Now, after forced busing in blue hellhole cities, all the public schools are nearly all black, except for the ones that are nearly all mexican.
It's awful to contemplate the result, had not the enormous flood of prosperity unleashed by President Reagan allowed civilized people to form private schools or escape to the suburbs.
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Maybe if they'd concentrate more on basic skills and less on "social studies" and other feel good multicultural bullshit children would learn to add & read. To this day my son has never used the important skill of building pueblos with empty Jello containers, cereal boxes & plaster. He didn't learn one piece of American history in public school beyond what they got on Washington & Jefferson's birthdays & dinner with the native Americans on Thanksgiving.
But one of the most critical problems, and I don't honestly have a clue how to fix this, is not every child learns the same way. Out of necessity, I guess, most schools only teach one way. Jake is a very hands on, physical learner. I think this is where the whole "dumb jock" thing comes from. You give one of these kids a new exercise, game, etc. and they pick it up right away. Every single subject can be adapted to different learning styles but there's just no way to do this in every classroom. They used to have this kind of thing for students they considered Talented & Gifted but often these were the kids who needed them the least.
And these kids can be taught to learn the traditional way but most simply aren't ready when they're in grade school. There's actually a school of thought that says boys, especially, shouldn't start school until they're 10 because prior to that (because boys and girls are different...who knew) boys are naturally developing their large motor skills while girls are working on fine motor skills. It's why girls usually have an easier time sitting skill and paying attention.
At this point I think the best option for kids who learn differently is homeschool.
Cindie
The only way that can be done is home schooling, and few parents can afford it since both have to work in this O'bummer economy!
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Some are dumb shits because they strive to be that way.
This may be taken as racist by the thinned skinned super sensitive but I assure you, I don't mean it that way.
My son has always complained about a lack of discipline in the local schools. He joined the Army JROTC at his school when he entered the ninth grade. He was looking forward to a well run unit. He was extremely disappointed in the lack of discipline even in the Jrotc program...so much so he was crying after being in the Christmas parade with his unit....said he was ashamed to be seen with them. It was bad enough that he wanted to try to change his schools ROTC program to Marine JROTC.
He, at that time, had an inside line to Jim DeMints office and the district US Representatives office. They said they would help but he had to get the school to agree to a change. I did some research on the net for him and made a few phone calls to schools that had Marine JROTC. When he made his enquiries at the School and school board, the answers were a flat NO. No amount of evidence would move them, they didn't want to hear it.
There are 6 schools in S.C. with MCJROTC programs. 5 of them are predominately black....and score well above average for similar schools. When I called the principles and talked with them they gave a good bit of the credit to the MCJROTC programs. Seems the MCJROTC have strict requirements for grades, personal appearance, and conduct that are strictly enforced by their Marine instructors. Seems that the MCJROTC program not only improves the students in the program but also rubs off on those that aren't in it. The principles (3) that I talked to couldn't praise what it had done for their schools enough.
What schools need is structure and some discipline....but hell no, some liberals kid might suffer some self esteem problems if he is require to act/behave a certain way.
The MCJROTC students won't have a problem with self esteem, they have something they have earned and can be proud of.
It can't be racist if it's the damn truth, Reb!
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I firmly believe that if you place your kid in a private school, you should be allowed to take your state per pupil funding, about 5,000 in MI, to the private school with you.
Why should this money be a windfall for public schools?
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Yeah......when we lived in Louisville, on the east side, our youngest was coming up on the birth date rotation to be bussed all the way across town......fortunately we were transferred before the next school year began, or we were ready to place him in a private school.
doc
This was Lexington. There was only the one private that I can remember, Sayre.
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The only way that can be done is home schooling, and few parents can afford it since both have to work in this O'bummer economy!
Actually, it's a matter of priorities. We lived in apartments & rentals, drove VERY used cars and when we finally saved enough for a house it wasn't even as nice as a couple of the houses we rented. But it was ours. One choice isn't necessarily better than the other but every family has to choose what works for them.
Cindie
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It can't be racist if it's the damn truth, Reb!
Doesn't matter to a lib. They can spot racism on rocks, trees, in the clouds...
BTW, Al, welcome back! I missed your ugly, green mug! :-*
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Not to mention when they tried it in "enlightened" liberal areas like Boston it damn near resulted in race rioting.
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The METCO program is still happening. I will note the minority kids who are going to the suburbs are from homes that care about them.
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It's been almost 40 years, and they have yet to figure out that "Masshole" is NOT a term of endearment.
#1 in the Nation for education for how long now Sparky? :whatever:
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I firmly believe that if you place your kid in a private school, you should be allowed to take your state per pupil funding, about 5,000 in MI, to the private school with you.
Why should this money be a windfall for public schools?
The school isn't getting it.
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I would have to look at the state (as each of course is different), but school choice is a federal program under NCLB. The school the child attends is failing? then the student can choose to go to a non-failing public school within that district, with transportation provided (across town) by the district.
My district is a high performing one. We are about 90% white, from two parent homes. Because of this we qualify for absolutely zero grants. That sucks. I can see school superintendents eyes sparkle over the thought of getting some low income kids into the school so that district can qualify for money infusions for critical programming. It's not all bad, and it actually works well in some suburbs of Boston.
Largely depends on the district.
That all said, forced school choice is a direct violation of one person, one vote as school districts are largely funded by local taxes.
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Some are dumb shits because they strive to be that way.
This may be taken as racist by the thinned skinned super sensitive but I assure you, I don't mean it that way.
My son has always complained about a lack of discipline in the local schools. He joined the Army JROTC at his school when he entered the ninth grade. He was looking forward to a well run unit. He was extremely disappointed in the lack of discipline even in the Jrotc program...so much so he was crying after being in the Christmas parade with his unit....said he was ashamed to be seen with them. It was bad enough that he wanted to try to change his schools ROTC program to Marine JROTC.
He, at that time, had an inside line to Jim DeMints office and the district US Representatives office. They said they would help but he had to get the school to agree to a change. I did some research on the net for him and made a few phone calls to schools that had Marine JROTC. When he made his enquiries at the School and school board, the answers were a flat NO. No amount of evidence would move them, they didn't want to hear it.
There are 6 schools in S.C. with MCJROTC programs. 5 of them are predominately black....and score well above average for similar schools. When I called the principles and talked with them they gave a good bit of the credit to the MCJROTC programs. Seems the MCJROTC have strict requirements for grades, personal appearance, and conduct that are strictly enforced by their Marine instructors. Seems that the MCJROTC program not only improves the students in the program but also rubs off on those that aren't in it. The principles (3) that I talked to couldn't praise what it had done for their schools enough.
What schools need is structure and some discipline....but hell no, some liberals kid might suffer some self esteem problems if he is require to act/behave a certain way.
The MCJROTC students won't have a problem with self esteem, they have something they have earned and can be proud of.
Huge proponent of JROTC. However it costs the district on average about $120K per high school to have one (per year), and there are space considerations that have to be furnished to the military which some schools just don't have. JROTC also has a very lengthy waiting list. It takes years to secure a program once you submit an application for consideration.
The school with the lax JROTC program? I would have complained directly to the military on that. The officers running it were probably putzes.
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Ok lets review:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-R0FTfkPAQ[/youtube]
Zeit, you may as well have gut punched me with that link.
This stage and screen production was written in the 1950's. I did have the music album for the music but it was not for years later that I learned out what they were singing about, had no idea what a social disease or a social worker was. Wasn't until the early 1960's that all or most all my questions were answered by reading Readers Digest.
Finally in late 1960's the Movie came out on TV and it enthralled me. When I visited or lived near City's the Dance number for the PR woman of " Only in America '" would come to mind, Damn that Rita Moreno was FANTASTIC.
I do believe this production was a major influence on my interest in different cultures. Later Fiddler on the Roof and 1969, Hair, and Jesus Christ Super Star, I believe had these productions been done as dramas they even South Pacific would have flopped.
The music and dancing, the catchie tunes we would hum or whistle, this was the door to understanding at least for me.
Busing for students in Boston came at a time I was not living on the east coast, the actions of the Southey Irish against kindergartner's, little 5 year old kids was so incomprehensible to me, Big burly Irishmen banging on the sides of their school bus, shrieking obsentities at these little kids so small some had to be helped up the step to get on the bus.
I tried to put myself in the place of a minority and having to send my baby to school and face a howling mob of Grown ups spitting on my child, attacking the Bus, Dear LORD, what will happen to the impressionable minds beyond terror of those of another race, how long for a child to calm down and feel safe in school, what happens at the end of the day when they have to go through the same darn thing just to get home away from these Monsters.
Busing had so many down sides, take a child to a school out of their neighborhood and parental involvement is now limited, parents cannot walk at will to the schools for parental conferences or be there a couple days a week to be part of the PTA. Loss of neighborhood involvement in the kids education, the beginning of disadvantaged parents being able to monitor the schools 20 miles away. Outside of neighborhood schools parents had no idea who was teaching their children, did the teachers have any idea of the traditions, religion, and street life their students faced every day of their young lives???
Question I never heard if this worked both ways, were the children of the middle class parents bused into Ghetto schools? Did the innercity schools suddenly become 50% white, if so I wonder how the white parents felt when the Separate but Equal worked, how they felt about having a child transferred simply by the color of their skin into schools that were in no way equal to the schools in the Burbs.
Both sides were a product of Crazy people that put their agenda ahead of the children. Separate but Equal was nonsense, was back then still is today. There is no way a majority in the innercity will have 1/4 the benefits of schools in the burbs.
I will never forget in California when my eldest was in first grade. On a parent teacher conference I was yelled at as I had taught my daughter to read and the teacher said I should have left it to the school system to teach her the correct way. She was the only one in her class that could read and she made her class mates look stupid.
Not even going to get into it when the new math came in, darn her father was an instructor at the Nuclear Power school and Math was his subject. He looked at her books for teaching this new math and was WTF, no memorisation of the times tables etc. Her second grade math books confused the heck out of him.
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Busing for students in Boston came at a time I was not living on the east coast, the actions of the Southey Irish against kindergartner's, little 5 year old kids was so incomprehensible to me, Big burly Irishmen banging on the sides of their school bus, shrieking obsentities at these little kids so small some had to be helped up the step to get on the bus.
The deal with busing in Boston during the 1970s--it's been well-described in Uncommon Ground, a big detailed book published about that same time (the late 1970s)--is that it was the affluent white liberals (read: the Bostonian Drunkard's mother, for one) who demanded school integration, but insisted that it be imposed only upon the poor white liberals.
There was no way in Hell their kids were going to go to school with, ick.....black kids.
Hypocrisy at its grandest.
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The deal with busing in Boston during the 1970s--it's been well-described in Uncommon Ground, a big detailed book published about that same time (the late 1970s)--is that it was the affluent white liberals (read: the Bostonian Drunkard's mother, for one) who demanded school integration, but insisted that it be imposed only upon the poor white liberals.
There was no way in Hell their kids were going to go to school with, ick.....black kids.
Hypocrisy at its grandest.
Those same affluent white suburbs are actually taking those students now as I stated above. The 70s was a long time ago.