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BrentWil
OWS isn't a Relevant Movement to Change Society and May Hurt Us More then It Helps Us
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Mic Check....
OWS gets a lot of love on DU. However, it isn't a relevant movement. For a movement to be relevant, it has to capture the hearts and minds of the society. A protest movement is an insurgency, in a way. It has to figure out a way to shape its message in a way that the society adopts the protesters values and political views.
Protest movements are most effective when they use civil disobedience to highlight state polices that are not just. Two key examples of this are Martin Luther King and Gandhi. Gandhi with his Satyagrah and Martin Luther King with his nonviolence, practiced one thing that OWS will never have: Discipline and leadership.
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Oooooh, the fur fairly flies!
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Discipline and leadership...that's two things DUmmies don't have.
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I wonder, as more DUmmies realize that the Occu-tards have turned out to be nothing but a fart in a hurricane, if this be the start of the Next Great Discombobulationâ„¢?
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There is a lot of denunciation of the OP, particularly by the normal flock of doctrinaire loons like Beth. It's worth a read, I didn't have the time to bring over the back-and-forth but it caused quite the cat-fight (As any of the few lucid posts over there generally do). They eventually trot out the old time-honored "Agent provocateur," "You are a concern troll," "Oh, prove it," and "Sez you!" arguments in their normal receptive way of handling any ideas not in full conformity with their Magic Pony worldview.
:-)
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Stupid Beth puts on a great display in the thread of why she got the name.
She really is the dumbest bitch on this planet.
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Great find.
Awesomely exceptional find.
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Great find.
Awesomely exceptional find.
Agreed, Coach, and DAT gets the H5 from me.
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It never fails to amaze me that these misfits are so deluded to reality that they are forever jumping on the bandwagon of the latest thing that is going to bring them the spoils they believe socialism will deliver.
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I'm concerned.
Here's another occupooper thread with no reply from Sarah Imaboobi.
I guess since she failed in the DOTY voting, and lost yet another boyfriend, she's spending all her time on some sleazy dating site.
She figures "Hell, if Chris Hansen can lure in all those guys, so can I".
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Oh yea, that thread is a train wreck. Those people are hard core dumb. :loser:
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OWS wasn't even a relevant BOWEL movement to change society.
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OWS wasn't even relevant when they were popular and that ship has sailed.
If they had a brain between them, they'd be "occupying" the front lawn of board members and major shareholders of these companies they hate so much, but trespassing on private property leads to more ouchies and boo boos than partying in a public park where the mayor likes to blow you kisses and fondle your junk.
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OWS wasn't even relevant when they were popular and that ship has sailed.
If they had a brain between them, they'd be "occupying" the front lawn of board members and major shareholders of these companies they hate so much, but trespassing on private property leads to more ouchies and boo boos than partying in a public park where the mayor likes to blow you kisses and fondle your junk.
The mayor works for TSA? :lmao:
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Jean Quan love you long time.
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Response to BrentWil (Reply #8)
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 02:09 AM
EFerrari (159,445 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
25. You really would benefit from learning about horizontal movements
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and it would make your uninformed pronouncements more credible.
I thought tipping rubicons moved in an arc.
Response to EFerrari (Reply #5)
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 01:53 AM
TheWraith (22,118 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
15. Hundreds of thousands aren't participating. Hundreds are.
Hundreds of people don't change the direction of a country of millions.
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Response to TheWraith (Reply #15)
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 02:08 AM
EFerrari (159,445 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
24. You couldn't be more wrong, as per usual.
Umm, he's right, DUmbass.
Response to TheWraith (Reply #15)
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:16 AM
Bonobo (16,742 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
43. Hundreds. Are you intentionally sounding stupid?That assertion is so easily proven wrong that you have to wonder why you would say it.
No, DUmbass, he's right. Next.
Response to randome (Reply #115)
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 07:09 PM
Bonobo (16,742 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
224. Wait, so you agree that the OWS 99% movement is made up of only "hundreds" of people?
I won't waste my time arguing with someone that thinks that.
Yes, he said just hundreds. Get a grip little man.
Response to CBHagman (Reply #182)
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 06:36 PM
nadinbrzezinski (101,421 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
223. Did we have elections and I missed them?And you missed the SOTU I guess.
Probably. You seem to miss a whole lot. Logical thought comes to mind.
Response to TheWraith (Reply #15)
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:56 PM
nadinbrzezinski (101,421 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
216. If you added IN SAN DIEGO
Or in LA you'd have a smidgen of a point, for the core that is.
Rest my case.
Too damn much bickering and name calling going on. :catfight:
Had to stop reading.
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Hilarious thread.
When even people who are part of your own fringe minority are telling you something is a flop - it should be a sign.
They honestly believe that regular working people are talking about "the 99%" , that OWS had more than a couple of thousand participants worldwide , that OWS is even remotely comparable to the civil rights movement and that they've achieved even one of their vast array of incoherent goals.
Simply stunning.
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Response to CBHagman (Reply #182)
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 06:36 PM
nadinbrzezinski (101,421 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
223. Did we have elections and I missed them?And you missed the SOTU I guess.
I wonder if nutcase nadin has noticed that every State of the Union speech, by every president, always includes a laundry list of populist bullshit that no president ever intends to really pursue. It sounds nice, fills time, and satisfies a handful of DUmbass voters that he'd like to win over.
The little wads of occupooper nuts had no effect whatever on the jug-eared muslim's script.
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Here we have some straight, tough talk:
Response to EFerrari (Reply #5)
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:39 AM
leftynyc (8,204 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
45. Hundreds of thousands? Big ****ing deal
In a country of over 300 million, that's like a spec. If you think burning the flag is the way to reach people, you're sadly mistaken. All it does is further marginalize a group that a lot more than a few hundreds of thousands of people think is a joke. The message of the movement has been picked up but don't expect any responsible politician or leader to want to associate themselves with the movement. If that was the way you hoped it turned out, congratulations.
leftynyc (8,204 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
188. I am not blaming anyone for anything
Burning the flag is our right as Americans. And I'll thank you for not putting words in my mouth (like so many here feel free to do). Yes, I am one of the 1% but that has never stopped me from being a liberal Democrat. If you think you're helping the cause by pissing people off, do knock yourself out. It's stunts like this that get people to forget the message as well as the police brutality and focus on the garbage and you'll continue to think you're helping. Great job. You should be proud of yourself.
Enormous thread, best served in small teaspoon-sized doses.
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My mole has about had it with people always talking down OWS!
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My mole has about had it with people always talking down OWS!
lmao
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Response to BrentWil (Reply #8)
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 02:09 AM
EFerrari (159,445 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
25. You really would benefit from learning about horizontal movements
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Oh Lord, but not from her. She's in that other thread, screaming about "her" reproductive rights, and "her" right to choice. I think those years are long gone, beth. Isn't your jailbird son pushing 30 or something?
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Response to BrentWil (Reply #8)
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 02:09 AM
EFerrari (159,445 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
25. You really would benefit from learning about horizontal movements
She's got a point. After all, if you don't understand horizontal movements you could end up like this:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg[/youtube]
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Thu Feb 2, 2012, 02:09 AM
EFerrari (159,445 posts)
25. You really would benefit from learning about horizontal movements
Poor, stupid Beth just inadvertently gave stevenumbers a happy ending.
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I was just watching O'Reilly on the repeat at 10:00 and he had two people on who support the Occupy movement and BOTH of them were backing away from the Oakland nuts. They said they have taken over the movement, which I don't believe, I think they just couldn't find any more excuses.
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Well, that is the problem with "Leaderless movements" or "Leaderless resistance," there is nobody who can actually tell them to dial it back a couple of notches when the opportunists, dumbshits, and thugs move in, because they really are as much a part of it as anyone else, and have just as much of a claim to be "Leading" it as any marginally-saner heads. In that kind of situation, only those who are perceived to be currently doing things get the spotlight and so can speak persuasively to the others in it. The inherent dynamic runs completely counter to patience, cohesion, or the long game. Entropy and chaos are its natural course.
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"They honestly believe that regular working people are talking about "the 99%" , that OWS had more than a couple of thousand participants worldwide , that OWS is even remotely comparable to the civil rights movement and that they've achieved even one of their vast array of incoherent goals."
Yeah.
At this point, not even most of the Occupiers themselves would compare what they're doing to the Civil Rights Movement.
Another big point (Though it ties into the "Lack of discipline" point that the OP made) is that you can tell the Occupiers don't even take their own movement that seriously. With Gandhi and King's respective movements, they had clear, specific goals that they regularly communicated to everyone, including the politicians that would listen. The Occupiers have no such clear, specific goals. When asked, most just degenerate into incoherent babbling about "The 1%" and "Corporate greed," without communicating anything of substance. Others just say something like "The fact that you ask us if we have goals just means you don't get our movement and probably never will, maaaan!" In fact, the NY politicians even gave them an opportunity to openly state their demands a few months back by asking the Occupoopers to send a representative to meet with them and negotiate their terms. The Occupoopers responded by sending a dog as their representative. It probably gave the dope- addled freaks a few laughs, but it made everyone else see them as what they truly are: A bunch of deranged, spoiled children (Regardless of their ages) who really don't know what the hell they're doing and don't take their own movement seriously at all, so there's no reason for us to take them seriously either.
Well, that is the problem with "Leaderless movements" or "Leaderless resistance," there is nobody who can actually tell them to dial it back a couple of notches when the opportunists, dumbshits, and thugs move in, because they really are as much a part of it as anyone else, and have just as much of a claim to be "Leading" it as any marginally-saner heads. In that kind of situation, only those who are perceived to be currently doing things get the spotlight and so can speak persuasively to the others in it. The inherent dynamic runs completely counter to patience, cohesion, or the long game. Entropy and chaos are its natural course.
HI-5! Well- said!