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Title: Oldie but goodie from the DUmp..."Hitler was a liberal"
Post by: JohnnyReb on January 27, 2012, 05:18:41 PM
So I was messing around...googled "Hitler was a liberal"...and look what I found.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x194364

Twist and turn, bend and spin, must rewrite history.
Title: Re: Oldie but goodie from the DUmp..."Hitler was a liberal"
Post by: franksolich on January 28, 2012, 07:59:00 AM
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expatriot (1000+ posts)  Thu Mar-02-06 01:46 AM
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"Hitler was a liberal"
   
This is amazing. It is published on Alan Keyes' Renew America.

I am speechless.

Hitler was a liberal

Christian Hartsock
March 1, 2006

It is an indispensable fact that in the absence of love for God resides a lust for power; a yearning to become God. In Sinisterism: Secular Religion of the Lie, a brilliant new book by my good friend and colleague, Bruce Walker, Walker uses "Sinisterism," a term he invented, to denote this godless, narcissistic, relativistic lust for power whose legacy lived particularly in the twentieth century and prevails to this day. As he writes: "I call all the people who lust for power, 'Sinisterists' and their political system 'Sinisterism.'

The word sinister comes from the Latin root word for left, which has come to mean creepy and nasty — 'sinister,' in modern usage — so 'Sinisterist' and 'Sinisterism' fit what I mean, well. Sinisterists believe in nothing, really, but power. They use power to hurt to bewilder, to dismay, to complicate, to rob, to cheat, and to use."

In my humble opinion, Sinisterism has been the central governing element of Nazis, Soviets, fascist dictators, militant secularists, radical liberals and the pathetic lowlives at the ACLU. Their collectively shared hatred for God, Christianity, moral values and the value of human life instills in them a spirit of Sinisterism.

Contemporary liberals have sought to eliminate acknowledgement of the prevalence of Sinisterism by coming up with labels to equate Nazism with fascism, Christianity and conservatism and liberalism with liberty and liberation. But as Walker writes, "The term 'liberal' has nothing to do with freedom and everything to do with coercion."

Furthermore, Walker effectively deconstructs the semantic stigmas deceptively conjured up by liberals to euphemize their inherent evil. As he writes: "The reality is that Sinisterists sometimes call themselves 'socialists' or 'liberals' or 'progressives,' and that they sometimes call themselves 'Marxists' or 'Trotskyites' or 'revolutionaries,' or that they also sometimes call themselves 'fascists' or 'national socialists' or 'Phallangists' but they are all sibling Sinisterists."

As I mentioned earlier, when liberals are not trying to pass Nazism off as "fascism," they are attempting to pass it off as an extreme form of "conservatism" and an inexorable byproduct of Christianity. In 2003, on his show Scarborough Country, former congressman and current MSNBC personality Joe Scarborough shed light on a college textbook that grouped Rush Limbaugh and Ronald Reagan with Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini as "conservatives."

Now how exactly could Hitler, a man who was a strong supporter of social welfare programs, gun control, animal rights, government funding for the arts and bans against smoking in public get away with being called a "conservative"?

The reason is simple. Liberals are such shameless liars and persistent revisionists that they will malign anyone they disagree with as Hitleresque, from the spastic Iraq war protestors comparing George W. Bush to Hitler to Sen. Dick Durbin comparing American troops to "Nazis." Perhaps this is on account of the equivalence of their deep-seated rejection of God to Hitler's militant rejection of God which led to one of the ugliest mass murders in human history. But wait a minute, wasn't Hitler a Christian also?

-----------To read the answer to that question and so many more Truths that offer the only Hope for us

Sadistic Sinister liberals, click here: http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/hartsock/060301

and then email a very POLITE (remember, this poor boy's expecting to be hit by tons of foaming at the mouth sinister liberal emails.)response to him at: ChrisHartsock86@aol.com

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Mythsaje (1000+ posts)  Thu Mar-02-06 02:13 AM
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5. Get a load of THIS
   
<<It is impossible for tyranny, terror and totalitarianism to be carried out in the name of God.>>

Is it actually possible for someone to be this ignorant without forgetting to put clothes on when they leave the house? Has he NO knowledge of European history, how the tyrants and the Church climbed in bed together and savaged the serfs in the name of religion on a daily basis? The Church propped up the crown and the crown propped up the Church.

Does he know nothing about the Inquisition, about the witch trials, about the tyranny imposed by "godly men" upon women and children even here in the new world?

What a little worm.

Hmmmm.  I didn't know the maudlin waif primitive was a scholar of European history.

He must've missed the chapter about how it was the churchmen who wrote the Magna Carta.

But maybe the maudlin waif primitive didn't know what the Magna Carta was.

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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Thu Mar-02-06 02:16 AM
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7. Let's see what's wrong with this...
   
1) Hitler based much of his organization and philosophy on Benito Mussilini.

2) Hitler purged the Nazi party of Ernst Rohm and other socialists between 1933 and 1934.

3) Hitler persecuted socialists, communists and other leftist thinkers.

4) The Nazi Party's major political allies included, the right-wing Nationalists led by Alfred Hugenberg, the press baron, and his Vice-Chancellor was the ex-Centre Party politician and former Chancellor Franz von Papen.

5) Hitler referred to churches as the "most important factors" for the maintenance of German well-being. Kinda similar to Marx's position of "Religion is the opiate of the masses." If you are totally clueless.

6) One of Hitler's heroes was Dietrich Eckart. Hitler was impressed with Drexler's anti-Semitic, nationalist and anti-Marxist ideas.

7) Fascism by definition attracts big business, landowners, nationalists and reactionaries. Nationalists and Reactionaries are two groups that are definately not progressives.

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BlakeB (286 posts) Thu Mar-02-06 03:32 AM
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15. Anyone else find that...
   
conservatives seem to have no sense of history? This guy is ridiculous, by the way.

 :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf:

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coda (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-02-06 02:53 PM
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22. " Liberals are such shameless liars and persistent revisionists..."
   
LOL! If there was ever a more classic example of a strawman.....

That's right Chris, just keep repeating a newly invented word that _ no one _ has ever heard of and claim that, "Contemporary liberals have sought to eliminate acknowledgement of" "it". LMAO

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.
- Joseph Goebbels

Just keep repeating your mantra, Chris. After all, Goebbels says it will work.

Well, it certainly worked for Walter Cronkite, Dan Rather, the Democrat National Committee, Herb Kirkstreit, Mike Malloy, John Dean, Michael Moore, Al Sharpton, Bobby Kennedy, Vast Teddy, Harrison Salisbury, Walter Duranty, Molly Ivins, the Magic One, &c., &c., &c., all of them masters of repeating lies until they're believed.
Title: Re: Oldie but goodie from the DUmp..."Hitler was a liberal"
Post by: jukin on January 28, 2012, 02:23:32 PM
Can't say if Hitler was but the National Socialists sure were.

They demanded nationalized health care.

No private citizen gun ownership.

Huge government work programs.

Used successful Jewish businessmen as scape goats.

Wanted all of the youth to be physically fit and properly indoctrinated by government.

Never let a crisis go to waste in expanding government and party power.

Those are just off the top of my head but IIRC the Whole Nazi platform is almost identical to today's democrat party platform.

Oh and Hitler was not just a vegetarian but a vegan.


Title: Re: Oldie but goodie from the DUmp..."Hitler was a liberal"
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on January 28, 2012, 08:38:55 PM
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Thu Mar-02-06 02:16 AM
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7. Let's see what's wrong with this...
   
1) Hitler based much of his organization and philosophy on Benito Mussilini.  Himself a notable Socialist.

2) Hitler purged the Nazi party of Ernst Rohm and other socialists between 1933 and 1934.  Not because of their Socialist tendencies, though, it was because Roehm wanted the SA to replace the Army, the Army wouldn't stand for that, and Hitler needed the Army in his corner a whole lot more than he needed Roehm.  His sodomitic hobbies were quite the embarassment as well.

3) Hitler persecuted socialists, communists and other leftist thinkers.  So did the Communists and all the other flavors of Socialists in every country where they gained power in that era.  Look at the Republican side in Spain, for instance.  This one hardly disqualifies him from being a good Interwar European Socialist.
 
4) The Nazi Party's major political allies included, the right-wing Nationalists led by Alfred Hugenberg, the press baron, and his Vice-Chancellor was the ex-Centre Party politician and former Chancellor Franz von Papen.  "Allies" yes, but not because they were in any ideological agreement with the Nazis, but because they viewed the Bolsheviks as an even bigger menace, and not without excellent reason.

5) Hitler referred to churches as the "most important factors" for the maintenance of German well-being. Kinda similar to Marx's position of "Religion is the opiate of the masses." If you are totally clueless.  Seriously, do I even need to point out how defective that analogy is?  Or how very differently the two statements were intended and implemented under the respective authors' ideologies?

6) One of Hitler's heroes was Dietrich Eckart. Hitler was impressed with Drexler's anti-Semitic, nationalist and anti-Marxist ideas.  Well, Hitler was certainly anti-Marxist, or anti-Bolshevik in the lingo of his time, but that certainly didn't mean he wasn't fundamentally a Socialist, they aren't the same thing.  Also see #3, above.

7) Fascism by definition attracts big business, landowners, nationalists and reactionaries. Nationalists and Reactionaries are two groups that are definately not progressives.  Any rumors that the Tupolev Aircraft Bureau or the Nikopol Tank Plant were run by bosses rather than workers' soviets are entirely untrue, Comrade, and do not believe anything you hear about Russians claiming they invented something purely out of national pride; no, any such claims are made only because whatever it was, Russians DID invent it first!  Ourrah za Russkii Narod!

Yeah, whatever, rpannier; fisking in red (How appropriate), you tool.