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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2012 => Topic started by: Chris_ on January 26, 2012, 05:59:14 PM
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Gingrich opens door for illegal immigrants
Fighting to curry favor with Florida’s large pool of Hispanic voters, Newt Gingrich on Wednesday called for a guest-worker program for most illegal immigrants, but his campaign could not say whether those people would be on a path to citizenship — the key question in the immigration debate.
Under close questioning by Univision’s political host, Jorge Ramos, Mr. Gingrich said he would grant quick citizenship rights to illegal immigrants who join the military or to those who have been in the U.S. between 20 and 25 years. He said the rest of the estimated 11 million should be given access to a guest-worker program.
Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/25/romney-gingrich-flip-flopper-self-deportation/)
You have got to be ****ing kidding me.
"Guest worker" = bring your families with you.
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im almost on board with noot, he needs to add a little DrNutz into the mix
something like this:
•reform naturalization process. make it so only those that really want to become AMERICANS get through, not just those who want to come here to live.
•longer term illegal immigrants get offered a faster-track to naturalization. (i understand they are breaking the law, but the fact they are long term tells me the govt is also to blame, for ignoring the issue)
•Take away the incentives for people to come here illegally. entitlements, schooling, welfare, healthcare etc.
•Worker program for people that just want to work to make money. no help from any govt services.
•Basically scare off the freeloaders
•reform anchor-baby status
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Sounds like the Times is in the tank for Mitt, with that kind of spin on the headline. Not surprising, it is after all the house organ of the Beltway GOP.
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Bush couldn't do it, O couldn't do it; Newt says he will.
According to the three big "conservative" talk show host we're supposed to believe that Newt "articulates the conservative message".
They don't like to bring up the "a" word.
Take you're pick; hope and change or an articulating conservative.
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Bush couldn't do it, O couldn't do it; Newt says he will.
According to the three big "conservative" talk show host we're supposed to believe that Newt "articulates the conservative message".
They don't like to bring up the "a" word.
Take you're pick; hope and change or an articulating conservative.
Obama could've done it if he'd wanted to, he chose to fix only health care instead.
:rofl:
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I'm not sure what that post even means, but I don't expect Newt or Mitt to end up in a dramatically different place from each other on the immigration/borders question if elected, or Santorum either for that matter.
Any of them are going to be up against a tighrope between drawing and repelling different groups of voters on the issue in the primaries first, and then different alignments and blocs in the general, and finally whoever does win is then going to have to deal with the 'Art of the possible' in Congress.
Any of them would be better than Obama and his AG's 'Operation Fast and Fiasco' which had a lot more to do with terminating the Second Amendment by making hte border even more violent than it did with fighting the cartels.
Ron Paul does have a dramatically different take on it ("Different" not meaning "Better" or "Worse"), but not one that has a snowball's chance in Hell of ever being implemented.
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Sounds like the Times is in the tank for Mitt, with that kind of spin on the headline. Not surprising, it is after all the house organ of the Beltway GOP.
That is for sure.
Newt explained his position in the debates and the Times report is a distortion.
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It's 100% for sure you'll get amnesty with Newt because it's part of his platform.
http://www.newt.org/solutions/immigration
He always gives the example of a grandmother who has been here for 25 years, and has a big family.
According to his site; if you have a family you may be eligible to stay, if not you go.
(must meet other qualifications)
Mitt says he'll eliminate the illegals by eliminating their access to jobs.
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Mitt says he'll eliminate the illegals by eliminating their access to jobs.
We supposedly do that now, it has proven a remarkably naive and unsuccessful strategy. Though it has done wonders for the identity theft business.
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That is for sure.
Newt explained his position in the debates and the Times report is a distortion.
Correct....Gingrich favors a system where generational illegals may be allowed to stay with a resident visa.....however they will never be allowed a "path to citizenship" without returning home and getting in line.
That isn't amnesty......it's simply a pragmatic solution (Editorially, I don't necessarily agree with the plan)
doc
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"That isn't amnesty....."
Depends on how you want to define "amnesty".
They would be granted non-citizen permanent residence.
It isn't mentioned, so I can only assume the anchor babies, present and future, would be considered full citizens.
The results is the same.
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"We supposedly do that now, it has proven a remarkably naive and unsuccessful strategy."
It's now against the law to try to enforce the law. You will be sued by the government or end up in prison. States and cities have tried.
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There's a lot to do in addressing this issue, beginning with repealing or revising the 14th Amendment. That's a tall order in and of itself, as we all know.
Then there's the matter of enforcing the current laws, which the federal government has shown it does not want to do.
Physical enforcement of our borders via fences and other barriers is a never-ending game of cat and mouse and the mice usually wind up the victors. The best we could do is slow down the level of encroachment and invasion.
Severely penalizing those who employ illegals is also a double-edged sword. Many small businesses would go under if they were to adhere 100% to the law. And while that isn't quite as huge a deal as some of the other issues are, this aspect does have an impact in the political arena.
Ultimately, the every-20-year-throw-some-money-at-the-problem approach that has been done by the appropriate president and Congress then in office, including Reagan and Bush II, has not addressed the problem. Establishing quotas of legal immigration (done in the earlier part of the 20th Century) had an impact, but certainly did not stem the tide.
Ultimately, a pragmatic, consensual approach is going to have to be adopted to deal with the issue -- or not.
I fear that little or nothing will be done about the problem until a nuke is smuggled in by a terrorist and detonated in D.C. or some other garden spot, laying waste to dozens to square miles and killing tens of thousands of people. And even then, we Americans have a short, short memory.
In short, we're screwed. Our country does not have the political will to address this issue in even a consensual way/politically correct way. Whatever is done, if anything at all is done, will be half-assed and ineffective and expensive, because the politicians will make sure that the status quo is not affected in any way.
Kicking the can down the road is what politicians do these days. Good God, they can't even pass a budget, which is a constitutional REQUIREMENT.
I'd love to throw every one of the rat bastards out -- especially the freakin' leadership. Boehner, Reid, Pelousy, they've ALL got to go. And that is definitely not a pragmatic approach, but it's the one that my fingers are typing right now.
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Sadly, the problem has grown to the point that we have neither the political will nor the financial resources to simply round up everyone here illegally and ship 'em all out.
Couple that with a flawed interpretation of the 14th Amendment (which, IMO, is only going to be resolved by passage of a Constitutional Amendment which defines, once and for all, what citizenship is and is not, and what defines "natural-born citizen") and states which give illegals hand over fist simply for the taking, and nobody is going home.
The only way you're REALLY going to put a dent in the illegal immigration problem:
--Have an anchor baby in the US? Have fun raising them in your country of origin.
--Start arresting, prosecuting, and jailing people who KNOWINGLY hire illegals.
--No more "catch and release" immigration hearings. You're here illegally, you're on the first flight out.
--No more aid to illegals, aside from life-saving medical treatment. No schools, no licenses, no welfare, no WIC, no shit.
But couple that with streamlining the immigration process. That's the most broke-dick thing in the whole system.
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There's a lot to do in addressing this issue, beginning with repealing or revising the 14th Amendment. That's a tall order in and of itself, as we all know.
Then there's the matter of enforcing the current laws, which the federal government has shown it does not want to do.
Physical enforcement of our borders via fences and other barriers is a never-ending game of cat and mouse and the mice usually wind up the victors. The best we could do is slow down the level of encroachment and invasion.
Severely penalizing those who employ illegals is also a double-edged sword. Many small businesses would go under if they were to adhere 100% to the law. And while that isn't quite as huge a deal as some of the other issues are, this aspect does have an impact in the political arena.
Ultimately, the every-20-year-throw-some-money-at-the-problem approach that has been done by the appropriate president and Congress then in office, including Reagan and Bush II, has not addressed the problem. Establishing quotas of legal immigration (done in the earlier part of the 20th Century) had an impact, but certainly did not stem the tide.
Ultimately, a pragmatic, consensual approach is going to have to be adopted to deal with the issue -- or not.
I fear that little or nothing will be done about the problem until a nuke is smuggled in by a terrorist and detonated in D.C. or some other garden spot, laying waste to dozens to square miles and killing tens of thousands of people. And even then, we Americans have a short, short memory.
In short, we're screwed. Our country does not have the political will to address this issue in even a consensual way/politically correct way. Whatever is done, if anything at all is done, will be half-assed and ineffective and expensive, because the politicians will make sure that the status quo is not affected in any way.
Kicking the can down the road is what politicians do these days. Good God, they can't even pass a budget, which is a constitutional REQUIREMENT.
I'd love to throw every one of the rat bastards out -- especially the freakin' leadership. Boehner, Reid, Pelousy, they've ALL got to go. And that is definitely not a pragmatic approach, but it's the one that my fingers are typing right now.
If you liked H5's I'd give ya one!
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"That isn't amnesty....."
Depends on how you want to define "amnesty".
They would be granted non-citizen permanent residence.
It isn't mentioned, so I can only assume the anchor babies, present and future, would be considered full citizens.
The results is the same.
Aren't "anchor babies" given full citizenship now?
Read what Eupher, DAT and Sparky have posted on this subject. It's going to be tough no matter what any of the politicians promise and as long as Newt at least has a plan, I'll listen. Damn sure beats what's being done NOW.
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Sadly, the problem has grown to the point that we have neither the political will nor the financial resources to simply round up everyone here illegally and ship 'em all out.
Couple that with a flawed interpretation of the 14th Amendment (which, IMO, is only going to be resolved by passage of a Constitutional Amendment which defines, once and for all, what citizenship is and is not, and what defines "natural-born citizen") and states which give illegals hand over fist simply for the taking, and nobody is going home.
The only way you're REALLY going to put a dent in the illegal immigration problem:
--Have an anchor baby in the US? Have fun raising them in your country of origin.
--Start arresting, prosecuting, and jailing people who KNOWINGLY hire illegals.
--No more "catch and release" immigration hearings. You're here illegally, you're on the first flight out.
--No more aid to illegals, aside from life-saving medical treatment. No schools, no licenses, no welfare, no WIC, no shit.
But couple that with streamlining the immigration process. That's the most broke-dick thing in the whole system.
Or we could just enact Mexico's immigration laws.
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Or we could just enact Mexico's immigration laws.
Oh, wouldn't the mECHA clowns howl at that!
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just a comment on the the title of this thread
"Gingrich opens door for illegal immigrants"
umm, the door has been wide ****ing open for decades.
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Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/25/romney-gingrich-flip-flopper-self-deportation/)
You have got to be ****ing kidding me.
"Guest worker" = bring your families with you.
Newt has a long and liberal history of coddling illegal aliens. I wouldn't vote for him for PTA secretary much less president.