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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2012 => Topic started by: BEG on January 26, 2012, 09:07:05 AM
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I want to talk about Newt, I do not want him to be our nominee. I know this won't be a popular thread here on CC but I'm willing to take my lumps. I just hope that this isn't like FR and I get personally attacked.
First let me say that I do love the way he skewers the media and Obama. His knowledge of history is remarkable. His ability to respond on his feet is awesome but he makes me highly uncomfortable. I'm afraid of what may come out of him next. Simply put, he is volatile. Personally I dont really like him very much, and i cant get the sinking feeling out of my head of "when the other shoe going to drop" with Newt. BUT I will vote for him if he is the nominee, anything is better than Obama.
Now that being said, I have seen people out right attack people who they once respected over their opinions of Newt and totally dismiss news sites that they have relied on for years . Some seem to forget their own views and questions of Newt before he started running for the Republican nomination. Go over to FR and pick any Newt or Romney thread and see the almost cult like defense of Newt. It's almost as though Ron Paul bots have taken up shop in Newt supporters.
I have nore opinions on the matter but might keep it to myself for awhile.
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Romney worries me. Obamacare needs to go. I'm worried that it won't happen under President Romney. Also, he's been running for president for close to 6 years, and he's still missing something. I'm not exactly sure what it is.
Santorum is a good man, but he doesn't have the fire required to be president, IMHO.
Newt's biggest weakness to me is that he lets himself get twisted around by his political opponents. It happened with Clinton, and it's happened with Romney in this campaign. But I like his fire. I also like the fact that he's agressive. He'd be a great VP nominee to a strong conservative president.
Of the three, I'm leaning toward Newt. But I wish Cain could have stayed in.
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I want to talk about Newt, I do not want him to be our nominee. I know this won't be a popular thread here on CC but I'm willing to take my lumps. I just hope that this isn't like FR and I get personally attacked.
First let me say that I do love the way he skewers the media and Obama. His knowledge of history is remarkable. His ability to respond on his feet is awesome but he makes me highly uncomfortable. I'm afraid of what may come out of him next. Simply put, he is volatile. Personally I dont really like him very much, and i cant get the sinking feeling out of my head of "when the other shoe going to drop" with Newt. BUT I will vote for him if he is the nominee, anything is better than Obama.
Now that being said, I have seen people out right attack people who they once respected over their opinions of Newt and totally dismiss news sites that they have relied on for years . Some seem to forget their own views and questions of Newt before he started running for the Republican nomination. Go over to FR and pick any Newt or Romney thread and see the almost cult like defense of Newt. It's almost as though Ron Paul bots have taken up shop in Newt supporters.
I have nore opinions on the matter but might keep it to myself for awhile.
H5 for starting this thread, for your post, and I look forward to hearing the rest of your opinions. :)
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I truly believe that conservatives are becoming vicious like you're seeing at FR because we are in such desperate need for a real conservative at the helm. Oh, they tell us they're conservative, but they're not willing to make the moves that will truly benefit America.
Of those available to us, I feel Newt is the most conservative. Plus, I just want to see him shred Obama in debates.
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Newt says some amazingly stupid shit; ripping on Romney for being insensitive to the humanity of illegals was only his latest in a collection as stunning his RW social engineering critique of the Ryan Plan.
Then again, Romeny keeps saying some stupid crap too. He's as bad as Clinton as far as having 3 opinions for every 2-sided issue. But as I noted before as flimsy as Romney may be I believe he has no intention of presiding over a defenseless, bankrupt US. Pragmatism alone will bring him to heel
Romeny is clean. His "character" has every appearance of being spotless.
However, Romney is so clean he is not a street brawler.
The left will tear him a new one and I fear he will get caught flat-footed.
I fear he will do like McCain and deny his supporters the right to bring-up all the nasty shit that is Barack Hussein Obama and those around him.
The sadistic, cruel side of me wants to see Newt on a debate stage with Obama. The bloodletting would be...glorious. It would end, forever, the liberal pomposity that attends their every smary better-than-you policy proposal.
This is my ambivalence and I defend your sentiments.
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BEG, I don't particularly care for Newt either. Ever since Herman Cain dropped out after he was dragged through the mud by some lying ass women, who have since disappeared, I've been an anybody but Obama voter. BTW, yes, this means even if Ron Paul received the nomination I'd vote for him as much as I think he's clinically insane. That's how bad Obama is. I do not think we'll survive another term with this jackass in office.
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I am with the Bunny on this. I don't like either Romney or Newt, but I sure would like to see Newt flatten Obama in a debate.
I would like to hear what else you have to say too, BEG.
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I regard Newt as the best of a bad lot, he's flawed with his arrogance but he is definitely a highly-intelligent no-holds-barred fighter with a wealth of experience in how Congressional sausage gets made and how the top levels of the Federal government actually work, unlike any of the others.
I simply do not trust Romney on several key issues and regard his Conservatism as something that would last just exactly long enough to get him elected, and not a nanosecond longer. While he does stand for a sounder fiscal policy, compared to Obama, anyone would; but, he has zero exposure to foreign or military affairs and I feel he would mistakenly think of the rest of the world simply in terms of suppliers, customers, and competitors rather than realize, as Clausewitz said so eloquently, 'War is a continuation of policy by other means' and there are things at stake for which a business background is not just weak preparation, but could be actually counterproductive.
Santorum would have so much LGBT money pitted against him (Which is a lot of money, since not raising kids leaves one with a much higher-than-average disposable income), as well as all the MSM with no pretense of keeping the claws hidden, that I can't see how he could win. There would be a Gay SuperPAC that would buy all the available airtime for two months before the election to slime him, with the overt support of all the MSM bone smugglers and their butt-bbuddies. I just don't see how he could possibly overcome that.
Ron Paul has some great Libertarian ideas. His fiscal ideas are mixed (Some of are good, some not too good, some totally unpredictable in effect - and many of each with no chance of getting through Congress whatsoever, no matter which party controls it). His views on military and diplomatic matters are so primitive as to make Romney's actually seem sophisticated by comparison, which is scary on both counts.
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I regard Newt as the best of a bad lot, he's flawed with his arrogance but he is definitely a highly-intelligent no-holds-barred fighter with a wealth of experience in how Congressional sausage gets made and how the top levels of the Federal government actually work, unlike any of the others.
I simply do not trust Romney on several key issues and regard his Conservatism as something that would last just exactly long enough to get him elected, and not a nanosecond longer. While he does stand for a sounder fiscal policy, compared to Obama, anyone would; but, he has zero exposure to foreign or military affairs and I feel he would mistakenly think of the rest of the world simply in terms of suppliers, customers, and competitors rather than realize, as Clausewitz said so eloquently, 'War is a continuation of policy by other means' and there are things at stake for which a business background is not just weak preparation, but could be actually counterproductive.
Santorum would have so much LGBT money pitted against him (Which is a lot of money, since not raising kids leaves one with a much higher-than-average disposable income), as well as all the MSM with no pretense of keeping the claws hidden, that I can't see how he could win. There would be a Gay SuperPAC that would buy all the available airtime for two months before the election to slime him, with the overt support of all the MSM bone smugglers and their butt-bbuddies. I just don't see how he could possibly overcome that.
Ron Paul has some great Libertarian ideas. His fiscal ideas are mixed (Some of are good, some not too good, some totally unpredictable in effect - and many of each with no chance of getting through Congress whatsoever, no matter which party controls it). His views on military and diplomatic matters are so primitive as to make Romney's actually seem sophisticated by comparison, which is scary on both counts.
I don't feel any more confident with Newt on the matter I highlighted above than you do Ronmey. I just have this great unease that is growing with the thought of Newt as our nominee. I think the majority of Newt's surge is from people like us who are sick and tired of the "Obama is a nice guy but..." crap. We want someone to bite back, and hard. To eviscerate our opposition and stop them in their tracks. Newt's support seems to be steeped in revenge. All of us have it in us, it's human nature. I just don't want to overlook all the baggage that comes along with Newt. There is a lot there and it scares me what I don't already know. What else is going to pop up between now and election day?
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I fear now that the crap that is falling out of Newt's closet is going to be a total distraction from the issues that the GOP needs to nail Obama to the wall over. Too damn risky. The old video clips of him attacking Reagan are not becoming either.
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I fear now that the crap that is falling out of Newt's closet is going to be a total distraction from the issues that the GOP needs to nail Obama to the wall over. Too damn risky. The old video clips of him attacking Reagan are not becoming either.
Yep
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Newt isn't a very likable person, but Romney also comes off as smarmy to me.
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Newt isn't a very likable person, but Romney also comes off as smarmy to me.
That is a massive understatement of my own impression of him.
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Newt isn't a very likable person, but Romney also comes off as smarmy to me.
I was thinking more along the lines of
(http://www.barbieimages.com/images/ken/plastic-hair-ken-doll.jpg)
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I didn't like Romney last time and I don't like him this time. Every time I see him I think he should have a main part on Days of our Lives or some other Soap. He is a Mass. (R), which basically translates to an Alabama (D) in my mind.
So who does that leave me? Cain was my choice but that's a no go.
Santorum is great but as someone else said, has zero fire in his belly.
I would rather walk or razor blades then dip my feet in salt than have Ron Paul.
So by laws of deduction I am left with Newt. Is he my picture perfect candidate? Nope...
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Let's do a pro and con list for both. I'll start with Newt. I will add to it as the day goes by.
Newt
Pro
Rabid attack dog
Knowledge of history
Quick on his feet
Knows facts and figures
Con
Rabid attack dog
His some sort of fascination with global warming to the point of actually sitting on a couch with Pelosi
Helmet hair wife
I've heard him speak of himself in third person
Tells fibs at times but all politicians do
Has a thing for Andrew Jackson, FDR and Wilson
Backed healthcare mandate until he backtracked
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Pro
Has a record in Congress that we can look at
Recored is rated at 90% by the ACU
On a side note: Reagan admired FDR too for many good reasons.
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I agree with with Bunny and Rebel says. I don't like Gingrich much, let alone Romney. Santorum may have principles, but I think he is more into big government. Whoever gets the Republican nomination I will vote as long as it is besides Obama.
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Nope BEG, no anger or bluster from me here. I too regard Newt the best of a bad lot.
But I've said before, and I'll say again, never trust a man who combs his hair with olive oil and a fork. Despite his trying to paint himself as the outsider and everyone else the establishment candidate, look at his political career. It has lasted longer than his business one. Says a lot right there.
And one of the reasons you're not hearing a whole lot from the MSM regarding Mitt is because they're keeping their powder dry. If Mitt gets the nomination, you best be ready to bet your ass the MSM and Obama (one and the same, I know) will do everything they can to drag the Mormon religion, and Romney with it, through the mud. You don't think so?
Make Mitt the nominee and just watch.
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Con:
Got taken to school politically by Clinton, to the point where Clinton gets the credit for balancing the budget and reforming welfare.
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Nope BEG, no anger or bluster from me here. I too regard Newt the best of a bad lot.
But I've said before, and I'll say again, never trust a man who combs his hair with olive oil and a fork. Despite his trying to paint himself as the outsider and everyone else the establishment candidate, look at his political career. It has lasted longer than his business one. Says a lot right there.
And one of the reasons you're not hearing a whole lot from the MSM regarding Mitt is because they're keeping their powder dry. If Mitt gets the nomination, you best be ready to bet your ass the MSM and Obama (one and the same, I know) will do everything they can to drag the Mormon religion, and Romney with it, through the mud. You don't think so?
Make Mitt the nominee and just watch.
LOL
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You folks might want to look this over to answer some of the questions in this thread.....
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,68915.new.html
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I don't feel any more confident with Newt on the matter I highlighted above than you do Ronmey. I just have this great unease that is growing with the thought of Newt as our nominee. I think the majority of Newt's surge is from people like us who are sick and tired of the "Obama is a nice guy but..." crap. We want someone to bite back, and hard. To eviscerate our opposition and stop them in their tracks. Newt's support seems to be steeped in revenge. All of us have it in us, it's human nature. I just don't want to overlook all the baggage that comes along with Newt. There is a lot there and it scares me what I don't already know. What else is going to pop up between now and election day?
Newt definitely has baggage, but not quite as much as the Romney slime attacks might indicate. I was really ticked off yesterday when one of the FOX commentators said something about Newt's record, which has been fact-checked and found to be untrue. And this was after their piece that the mud slung was untrue by Romney. I almost screamed.
Being here in Florida before the primaries is infuriating. We get calls contantly, mostly Romney attack robo calls. The more I get, the more I'm determined to not vote for Romney.
After McCain I feel that the Republicans need to run someone who won't roll over and play dead to the Obama attack machine. I've always thought Newt was bright and innovative. The conditions today call for someone who can think outside the box (sorry for that trite phrase). Do I like everything about Newt? No, but I'm also one who wants to see him rip apart the liberal hypocrisy.
Perhaps Santorum will toughen up in the ensuing debates. He's improved dramatically. I think he's the best man in the race, but not sure he's the best candidate. I guess I'd vote for any of the Republicans over Obama, even Paul.
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well BEG its to bad you felt a little apprehensive to share your concerns, especially here. but im glad you did. H5
i agree with alot of what the others have already said.
to me, it still comes down to "the best of four (as of today) bad picks". its too bad there was not the all around perfect candidate.
its no secret i wish paul had a different stance on foreign policy, then i would wear the PaulBot badge with honor. But it is a deal breaker for me. I have become a full on newt supporter simple because, to quote DAT "he is definitely a highly-intelligent no-holds-barred fighter with a wealth of experience in how Congressional sausage gets made and how the top levels of the Federal government actually work" And also because the guy can speak. He makes watching debates interesting!!
because of the choice that needs to be made, i have been thinking lately about the reasoning process for picking a candidate. in particular "should you put more weight on what someone has done in the past or what they say they will do if elected". it becomes an important factor when the two compete against each other. Example romneycare. Mitt did it in Mass. Says he will repeal ObumCare. obviously to get the "R" nod he has to say he will. so how can you weigh on that? Newt has his own examples. I have come to the conclusion to give no thought to what the candidates say they will do if elected, because A: they say what they have to, its obvious. B: there is no way to guarantee they can actually get it done. False hope. (the same reason Dems should walk away from Obummer)
Now i am about to say something that, like BEG, i feel will bring the heat from you guys. (not that my paul support hasnt already done that, lol)
mitt was a governor for 4 years, great. it was massachusetts. getting elected to govern that state gives a man no conservative cred, IMO. but you say he has worked in the private sector! now here comes the heat-seeker.... I do not believe working in the private sector is a good resume builder for presidential aspirations. I tend to believe the job of president is so complex that to elect someone who will walk into it blind, is foolish. I go against the grain when it comes to the "we dont want a career politician, or DC insider". I think its imperative that we do. ITS JUST THAT they should have been fighting the right fight while being a career politician. Like Ron Paul, cough cough. So experience is a big part of why I'm anti Mitt and for Newt.
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Rugnuts, your point is well taken. Look at our current pathetic president. I don't think his grand experience as a community organizer has helped with governing our nation. His short career in the Senate didn't help, as he was out running for president almost as soon as he got into the Senate and voted "present" for almost everything. His career as an Illinois state legislator was only useful as far as learning the ways of the Chicago area----to do whatever it takes to get their share of the gravy and to bully.
I think any of the Republicans have more experience than Obama and would do better. Newt has enough experience that he can hopefully actually accomplish something in his presidency---to reverse the course started by Obama. We have to get that camel's nose out from under the US tent.
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Well.....this would be my take on this issue......right now I'm supporting Newt, for a quite simple reason.......I know the man personally (awhile back). I spent some time with him when he was Speaker, and I was the General Manager of a TV station in the Washington DC market in 1996. We had a number of long conversations about academia, which we both share some experience, although in divergent areas. We had some spirited discussions over political topics and history. I have a great deal of respect for his intelligence and knowledge, and we found that.......our thought processes are very similar (and we are almost exactly the same age).......
This is where my concerns begin with Newt........he is an idealist, a "big thinker", an idea person, who thinks in macro about issues all the time.....many of his ideas are far-fetched, and unworkable in practical terms, although logical and well-defined. He has difficulty (as I do) getting "down to earth" with practical solutions to complex problems. He (and I) are much more likely to arrive at a complex, multistage solution to a difficult problem than a simple one that is easy to understand by the electorate. This doesn't mean that the complex solution isn't correct......just that it's difficult to think through and analyze......
That is not to say that the complex solutions are not what is called for to resolve issues, it's simply that were he president, I doubt that he can sell many of these ideas to either the congress or the population, due to their difficulty to understand. It's kinda like the link that I posted yesterday about Obama's SOTU speech being written to an eighth-grade comprehension level.......Newt would find it very difficult to accomplish that.......he simply expects those to whom he speaks to do their homework and understand what his point is, much like I did as a postdoc college lecturer.......some would call that ego......but it's not, it is simply the way the man's mind works.
I see this as his real weakness, not all the mud that is flung against the wall about his past. Every candidate has issues that are uncomplimentary. I think there is a very real possibility that a candidate can be "too intelligent" to successfully hold office at a national level in the US.......and I find this sad......
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If we keep up this measured, cordial airing of our opinions with respect for differing ideas we will never be able to become a forum like DU.
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yeah i agree DOC, it is sad that that is his weakness. i dont want a 8th grade intellect running our country anymore.
i would like to see more praise for newt in the media to the likes of what you posted.
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There are things I admire from all the candidates (including the ones who have dropped out), and things about which I have misgivings. I will say that I am sick of the circular firing squad. On the news, they show really nasty attack ads from one R candidate aimed at another. I change the channel. It's starting to really piss me off. Suppose they succeed in making the other look like such a monster, it sends the I's into the arms of Obama? Cut it the F out!
I am solidly an Anybody But Obama voter at this point. There are Marxist communists in the White House. They must be removed from office.
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There are things I admire from all the candidates (including the ones who have dropped out), and things about which I have misgivings. I will say that I am sick of the circular firing squad. On the news, they show really nasty attack ads from one R candidate aimed at another. I change the channel. It's starting to really piss me off. Suppose they succeed in making the other look like such a monster, it sends the I's into the arms of Obama? Cut it the F out!
I am solidly an Anybody But Obama voter at this point. There are Marxist communists in the White House. They must be removed from office.
I'm right where you are Karin. I was in Cain's camp, but that's not happening. I'm voting for ABO and will take my lumps if I deserve it for feeling that way.
BTW, Beg, I'm glad you started this thread if for nothing else than to show the lurking DUmmies that decent, civilized people can discuss politics in a decent, civilized manner. Thank you.
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I also wanted Cain, and am hating that the media is pushing Romney on us. I think I like (or dislike) Romney and Gingrich equally. At this point, I just want the one who can beat Obama to win the nomination, though I have no clue whih one that would be.
The only thing I DO know is that Obama needs to be GONE.
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I also wanted Cain, and am hating that the media is pushing Romney on us. I think I like (or dislike) Romney and Gingrich equally. At this point, I just want the one who can beat Obama to win the nomination, though I have no clue whih one that would be.
The only thing I DO know is that Obama needs to be GONE.
The MSM seems to be going easy on Romney for now, which makes me think they have been told by Team Obama that Mitt is the preferred candidate. If he is the nominee, then the big guns come out and shred Romney endlessly.
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If you ask me, the MSM and/or Obama's campaign staff do not need to say anything. Fellow Republican candidates are doing their dirt throwing for them. I wish they would stop picking on each other and go after the REAL "bad" guy here...Obama.
I supported Cain, and hated to see what the MSM did to him. Now that he is no longer in the race, I'm not sure who I will vote for in Ga's primary. I know that I will stand behind the Republican nominee, whoever it may be. Any one of them will be worlds better than Obama (except maybe Ron Paul, but I really don't think he stands a chance).
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OP was 10:00 this morning so I'm playing catch up.
Beg don't feel bad about your Newt trepidation, you are not alone. I saw an article somewhere just yesterday which said 1/3 of conservatives are longing for "a better candidate" to enter the race.
If the election were held today and it was Newt vs. Soetoro I would pull the lever for Newt but I wouldn't be walking out of the booth with a warm fuzzy smile.
As I've mentioned before about my observations of Laura Ingraham's infatuation with Rinomney I'll up that to include all mention of him by all of the MSM, including the right side of the dial. If I hear one more talking head extolling Rinomney as a done deal that we must just accept I am going to vomit.
Both Newt and Rinomney have reputations for flip flopping more than a trout in a canoe.
Which turd stinks less?
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BTW, ^5 for being honest. :)
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I also wanted Cain, and am hating that the media is pushing Romney on us. I think I like (or dislike) Romney and Gingrich equally. At this point, I just want the one who can beat Obama to win the nomination, though I have no clue whih one that would be.
The only thing I DO know is that Obama needs to be GONE.
k&r! :cheersmate:
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I also wanted Cain, and am hating that the media is pushing Romney on us. I think I like (or dislike) Romney and Gingrich equally. At this point, I just want the one who can beat Obama to win the nomination, though I have no clue whih one that would be.
The only thing I DO know is that Obama needs to be GONE.
Agreed.
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I like(ed) Cain. IMHO a Cain/Rubio ticket would have been effing HUGE and unbeatable.
Rinomney- Democrat. I don't care that he has an "R" in front of his name, he is a downeast democrat any way you cut it. To borrow a phrase that folks from up that way would understand I just don't like the cut of his jib. I don't trust this man. He gave us 0bamacare, too many people forget that. Too many people want that to continue (who must be defeated).
Newt- A great player. At this point the best bet we have as a product of a shit system that picks our candidates for us from the top down. Shady. He goes full bore with great passion and that is commendable. The problem is in the steering, it varies. On record as being open to and has advocated for illegal alien amnesty and let's not sugarcoat that, facts is facts. I don't trust this man.
The rest who have fallen by the wayside- Probably we lost more than we will know, good folks who have "We The People" in their hearts. The hurdles and barriers thrown down by powerful interests keep good men and women down. Sucks but true.
Last but not least- Nobody wants to talk about him. "The crazy old uncle", Ron Paul. Like it or not this man has a large following comprised of people from all points on the political compass. Conservatives, liberals, middle of the roaders too. His crowd is growing like a patch of weeds on a leach field. Despite the blatant blackout he just won't go away. Let's face it, he has the establishment on both sides of the aisle scared shitless. That must be where his appeal comes from.
Like I said, he just won't go away and he keeps growing. He will not get the republican nomination. I also don't think he will endorse another candidate. What worries me about him is that he may go rogue and run on a third party line and whether anyone wants to admit it or not he is getting big enough to do just that. Can he beat Soetoro? Probably not. Can he royally #*&@ things up so bad by splitting the vote in a three way race and causing a republican loss? Yes, very likely.
I hate to say it but Newt is a dirty son of a bitch yet he's the best we've got.
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I have Electile Dysfunction. I wanted Cain!!!
But, I will pull the "R" lever. Even if I have to hold my nose. I think I can eat a dirt sandwich as opposed to the one filled with broken glass we currently have on our plates.
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Well Dixie if it lasts more than four hours on election day I hope you live in one of those states with no voter I.D. checks. Hit as many polls as you can is as many jurisdictions as you can get to, vote early and vote often!
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I can't really stand either Mr. Green Conservative or Mr Perfect Hair Forever but I will vote against Obama. I don't really mind the circular firing squad although I wish they would go after Obama more.
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Last but not least- Nobody wants to talk about him. "The crazy old uncle", Ron Paul. Like it or not this man has a large following comprised of people from all points on the political compass. Conservatives, liberals, middle of the roaders too. His crowd is growing like a patch of weeds on a leach field. Despite the blatant blackout he just won't go away. Let's face it, he has the establishment on both sides of the aisle scared shitless. That must be where his appeal comes from.
Like I said, he just won't go away and he keeps growing. He will not get the republican nomination. I also don't think he will endorse another candidate. What worries me about him is that he may go rogue and run on a third party line and whether anyone wants to admit it or not he is getting big enough to do just that. Can he beat Soetoro? Probably not. Can he royally #*&@ things up so bad by splitting the vote in a three way race and causing a republican loss? Yes, very likely.
Ron Paul won't go third party if he wants his son to keep his Senate seat in Kentucky.
They'd toss him out in the next election, and he'd be finished politically if his father cost the Republicans their best shot at the WH......
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Well Dixie if it lasts more than four hours on election day I hope you live in one of those states with no voter I.D. checks. Hit as many polls as you can is as many jurisdictions as you can get to, vote early and vote often!
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It's like the South Park episode where they had to chose between a turd sandwich and a giant douche for school mascot. I'll vote for whoever the nominee is, but I wish we had some better choices.
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It's like the South Park episode where they had to chose between a turd sandwich and a giant douche for school mascot. I'll vote for whoever the nominee is, but I wish we had some better choices.
That would be the taco that crapped ice cream. :whatever:
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Anyone think Rick Santorum would be in the running as the VP candidate should either Newt or Mitt get the nomination? Or maybe Governor Brewer, one kickass lady. All the people I really liked are gone, or never entered, like Sarah Palin. But, oh Lord, I'd LOVE to see O'Boden go down in a flurry of TKO debates if our ticket is Gingrich/Brewer. :-)
Brewer may be an unpopular figure to the crazyass turncoats who'd love to just hand over the keys to our country and have us devolve into Northern Mexico, but even amongst LEGAL Hispanic voters here in AZ she's got some cred.
Prop 200, passed in Nov 2004 with 47% of Hispanics voting yes. That's our voter id law, which McCain, Kyl, Napolitano, the RNC and every other RINO out there campaigned, or at least spoke out, against. :argh:
http://www.tbotech.com/electronicwatchdog.htm
And what number of voters liked her for SB1070? Seventy percent or so.
I do think we need fighters, who can also compromise when it's necessary. Miktt as the nominee will get his ass handed to him, unfortunately. I want a nominee who isn't afraid to stand up for himself and who can take the battle to the political enemy instead of ducking all the verbal grenades the Dems will be lobbing.
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Ron Paul won't go third party if he wants his son to keep his Senate seat in Kentucky.
They'd toss him out in the next election, and he'd be finished politically if his father cost the Republicans their best shot at the WH......
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I wish the man who believes the government is wiretapping his money could think that rationally.
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This is a great thread, BEG...thanks for starting it.
I've just read the whole thing at once, and what stands out the most, regardless of who the GOP candidate is, we will vote for them, if for no other reason, to get Obama out of office!
I too, was a Cain supporter, and think a Cain/Rubeo ticket would have been great.
The best thing about Newt is that he would so kick Obama's ass to the curb in the presidential debates...and I, like many of you, would pay for a ticket to see it happen!! He is knowledgeable of both domestic and foreign issues, he has the political experience needed, but he comes with so much baggage that I don't think he is electable. Regardless of whether or not it is important to his capability of being president, the multiple wives, and particularly an long time mistress and dumping the cancer stricken wife to marry said mistress, will not fly with many conservative voters.
Romney? Pfffft! There is some something about that man, that makes my skin crawl everytime he smiles. He's like a smarmy snake oil salesman who comes off as soooo very wonderful until you buy the bottle of "cure all" only to find out it's mint flavored water! I want to tell him to wash his hair, too. Obama's camp and MSM want Romney desparately, because they know they can beat him. If Romney was electable, he would have been the choice in '08, instead of McCain.
Santorum may be good someday, but now is not his time. He's too idealistic or something. I also don't think he has the cojones to stand up against Obama in debates.
Paul is a combination of many things. Old and crazy among them, but I think part of his purpose is to bring out some of his thoughts and ideas to both the candidates and to the public, to make all of us look at things from a slightly different perspective, than how they have been viewed. I don't think he will run as a 3rd party candidate, and I heard him say a week or two ago, that he knows he can't win the presidential election. To me, he's like a small shit disturber tornado, wanting to shake the walls and rafters, but not destroy the foundation.
I do agree with Bou, that Brewer is something else!!! I think she's an incredibly smart individual, level headed, and determined to do what's right for her state and citizens. I don't know that I've ever heard that she has any interest in teh VP or presidency, but I think she's capable. I don't however, think this is the time to put a woman on the slate in either position. This country is not ready to accept a woman VP or president, and the last thing the GOP needs to be doing right now when Obama needs to be kicked to the curb, is to try and tilt at windmills.
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It tells me alot about the candidates we have, by the amount of attacks leveled by the MSM. The person they attack the most is the one they fear the most - self evident by who is gone. I lived through the 'Romney' [George] Republican governorship in Michigan, when Mitts dad was there, and Mitt sure isn't anything like his father. I don't trust Mitt as far as I can throw a baby 'RINO' by the tail.
So much dirt as been dumped on Newt - weather true or false - at least I don't think he falls into the Obummer mold -when his mouth is moving, he's lying; plus Newt can think on his feet, without the teleprompter being programed by his handlers.
IMO if either of the other two are nominated - we lose and get more O'sh*t.
Do I want Newt - well my pick won't run, he's staying in New Jersey -- so Newt will get my vote, both for the primary [is he's still there] and to hopefully run the current 'donkey' [commonly called a**] out of the 1600 Pennsylvania house.
As has been said many times earlier, Newt has a fire - if any of the other three get nominated - all we'll have is a re-run of the Obummer/McLame fiasco all over again.
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The media has already destroyed the really "scary" conservatives. Once we have a nominee, they'll get even busier. There is no lack of lefty money to pay for hit pieces on any Republican.
I'd love to see a Newt - Obama debate, but seriously, do you think Obama is going to fall for that? We've seen those stumbles that the media has so carefully kept off the news. Obama would be even more of a fool to think he could look halfway intelligent facing Newt. So his "team" will either do whatever is needed to get rid of Newt, or there will be no debate.
I am not at all sure our country, our military, and our economy can survive 4 more years of borrow, spend, and "green" policy...I just hope enough of the country sees this and votes for Anyone But Obama. No matter WHAT the media manages to invent.
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This is a great thread, BEG...thanks for starting it.
I've just read the whole thing at once, and what stands out the most, regardless of who the GOP candidate is, we will vote for them, if for no other reason, to get Obama out of office!
I too, was a Cain supporter, and think a Cain/Rubeo ticket would have been great.
The best thing about Newt is that he would so kick Obama's ass to the curb in the presidential debates...and I, like many of you, would pay for a ticket to see it happen!! He is knowledgeable of both domestic and foreign issues, he has the political experience needed, but he comes with so much baggage that I don't think he is electable. Regardless of whether or not it is important to his capability of being president, the multiple wives, and particularly an long time mistress and dumping the cancer stricken wife to marry said mistress, will not fly with many conservative voters.
Romney? Pfffft! There is some something about that man, that makes my skin crawl everytime he smiles. He's like a smarmy snake oil salesman who comes off as soooo very wonderful until you buy the bottle of "cure all" only to find out it's mint flavored water! I want to tell him to wash his hair, too. Obama's camp and MSM want Romney desparately, because they know they can beat him. If Romney was electable, he would have been the choice in '08, instead of McCain.
Santorum may be good someday, but now is not his time. He's too idealistic or something. I also don't think he has the cojones to stand up against Obama in debates.
Paul is a combination of many things. Old and crazy among them, but I think part of his purpose is to bring out some of his thoughts and ideas to both the candidates and to the public, to make all of us look at things from a slightly different perspective, than how they have been viewed. I don't think he will run as a 3rd party candidate, and I heard him say a week or two ago, that he knows he can't win the presidential election. To me, he's like a small shit disturber tornado, wanting to shake the walls and rafters, but not destroy the foundation.
I do agree with Bou, that Brewer is something else!!! I think she's an incredibly smart individual, level headed, and determined to do what's right for her state and citizens. I don't know that I've ever heard that she has any interest in teh VP or presidency, but I think she's capable. I don't however, think this is the time to put a woman on the slate in either position. This country is not ready to accept a woman VP or president, and the last thing the GOP needs to be doing right now when Obama needs to be kicked to the curb, is to try and tilt at windmills.
Deb, yeah, I don't think Jan has ever expressed interest in higher political office. And unlike the case with Napolitano, we Arizonans appreciate having her as our governor. At least the conservative voters, who so far LEGALLY outnumber the flaming libs, like her right where she is.
Whatever you think of Hillary, she was an immeasurably more qualified candidate than Obama. The media was fearless in showing their anti-woman bias while falling into Obama's ass they couldn't praise him enough. Bastards.
We need someone like Newt, without the personal AND professional baggage, but it isn't going to happen unless a knight in shining armor rides in. But with the primary season well underway, that scenario isn't likely. I hope whoever Romney or Gingrich picks as the VP candidate excites me a helluva lot more than either of them do, the way Sarah was so awesome compared to McCain, much as I respect his war record.
I still think this is our election to lose, as Obama is the biggest ****up since the Three Stooges, and not even mildly amusing.