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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on January 22, 2012, 10:07:28 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002201075
Oh my.
It's a nuthouse on Skins's island this morning, Pamela squealing about something, grouchy old Don snarling about something else, the watery primitive announcing he's going to Albany, &c., &c., &c.
So I picked the best of the lot.
Botany (32,955 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
5 Questions about the Keystone Pipeline
Ask yourselves a few questions:
1.Why not refine the tar sands of Canada in Canada and distribute by truck , IF the intent is to provide oil to The United States?
2.Why must the refinery be in Houston?
3. Could it be because it easier to ship oil overseas from Houston?
4.Don’t Canadians need construction and refinery jobs?
5. Why is Canada so eager to provide the US with such an opportunity ?
http://worthingtonforobama2012.wordpress.com/2012/01/22/xl-pipeline/1
TheWraith (21,734 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
1. Short answers.
The reasons for 1 and 2 are the same: refineries are huge, expensive, and difficult to build, taking a long time and often a lot of wrangling. Case in point, even in the rather oil-friendly environment in the US, there hasn't been a single refinery built within at least the last 20 years, maybe more. Houston is where the US refineries are, refineries which already have enough excess capacity to handle oil being imported, refined, then returned elsewhere. This is doubly true when you already have people in Canada raising hell about the ecological impact of tapping the tar sands in the first place, let alone then building a refinery there to further crack the hydrocarbons.
3. Possibly, but the fact is that the "It's all going overseas!" mantra is greatly overstated. Selling oil on a world market, it's not really that cost effective to take oil out of the US and ship it halfway around the world where they're going to be paying basically the same price. The net result is that some would end up going overseas, some would be used in the US.
4. Building a pipeline isn't really a lot of construction jobs. It's basically just a massive underground pipe. You get a short burst of construction work, then very little afterward. The real windfall to Canada is number 5, for which the answer is "Because they want to sell the tar sands oil and make money off of it." That's where the cash is from the Canadian perspective, and it's why now they're talking about trekking it to BC and shipping it to China (as I pointed out at the time of the Keystone discussions).
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Poor, poor ignorant DUmmys. The two major points of the Keystone XL are:
1. Pump the thick oil (like your favs Hugo's) oil to the refineries capable of refining it and putting it on the world marker.
OR
2. Ship it to China where it goes OFF the world market for their internal use only.
If I was Harper I'd already be ground breaking on a pipeline to the west coast of Canada. It's a double win for Canada. They get to build the pipeline and service it during it's lifetime. They get the port facilities jobs and may even build refineries for more jobs, revenue, and control.
We had a great deal that an adolescent in the White House queered up because he felt slighted.
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We had a great deal that an adolescent in the White House queered up because he felt slighted.
Nope, Obama doesn't want it because Warren Buffett, and from what someone else here posted, George Soros doesn't want it.
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Nope, Obama doesn't want it because Warren Buffett, and from what someone else here posted, George Soros doesn't want it.
The quantity of oil can't be done through rail. This was stabbing the republicans of the HOR in the eye over telling him to do something.
Did anyone know that the Keystone XL has been under review for almost three years. THREE YEARS but not enough time for 0 to get a decision in two months. It's just like when he gives the middle finger to somebody in a meeting. He is that petty and that juvenile.
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I think the muslim put the kibosh on the oil pipeline to avoid coach's wrath.
George Soros, Warren Buffett, and franksolich.
A strange confederacy. Which one doesn't belong in that group?
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I think the muslim put the kibosh on the oil pipeline to avoid coach's wrath.
George Soros, Warren Buffett, and franksolich.
A strange confederacy. Which one doesn't belong in that group?
<<innocent.
<<was never against the pipeline.
<<was however opposed to building the pipeline through the Sandhills.
And well, it's been amicably settled; the pipeline's coming through a better place in Nebraska.
Despite what the Magic One "decided," the pipeline's going to be built, as America needs the petroleum. The Magic One's going to be around only twelve months minus two days now, and is becoming increasingly irrelevant. Barring that, either the legislative or the judicial branch will negate his veto. Attorneys and landowners in Nebraska are already negotiating with Keystone. It's a done deal, again, no matter what the Magic One has "decided."