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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on January 18, 2012, 05:25:57 PM
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This is actually part of the same thread about the LUnies crying over the presumed imminent deposing of Bashir Assad, which I re-visited to see how they were getting along. This sidebar conversation is so telling of blindpig's mania of dictatorial control it deserves it's own place.
ixion
My use of 'anarchic' was of the generic variety, implying unorganized.
Which is actually an incorrect usage of the word. Anarchism was founded by Mikhail Bakunin, an intellect and scholar, and is opposed to violence, and certainly not disorganized. The operating thesis is that intelligent people do not need to be governed, that they will organize communities and care for their own. In that regard, it is just as idealistic, albeit less vitriolic, as Marxism. In no sense, though, is it disorganized.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Bakunin
Sounds vaguely Tea-party-ish.
blindpig
I am well familiar with Bakunin, once counted myself an anarchist. He was a great revolutionary but I have come to conclude that his theory was weak. The rigor of Marxism, and later Marxist-Leninism, rejected by him and subsequent anarchists, is necessitated by the fact that just because you win a revolution that is not the end of things. The new society will not spring forth like a daffodil, the detritus of capitalist society is ingrained in the entire structure of society and indeed in all of us. This cannot be done in a minute, it will take organization. Just because the revolution is won does not mean that everyone is on board. There will be some, particularly the former capitalists, who would turn back the clock. This must be guarded against. The Russian Civil War shows the necessity of this organization in defense against recalcitrant reactionaries and the capitalist powers which backed them. I do not believe that an anarchist led revolution could do this.
Marxism is anything but idealistic, it is materialistic and scientific. Anarchism is idealistic, which is why I have moved on. I am interested in something that will work.
In other words: ****-you if you don't like what the unelected minority dictates, we'll forcibly re-educate the resistors and murder the rest.
In the name of justice, of course.
http://www.leftunderground.com/threads/1626-Barack-Obama-raises-pressure-for-Syria-regime-change
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There is something inherently contradictory about claiming Bakunin "Founded" Anarchism, when your average two-year-old lives there instinctively. Perhaps you could say he was the first person stupid enough to think it would work in practice and therefore write about it as a serious social system (Or, more accurately, non-system).
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There is something inherently contradictory about claiming Bakunin "Founded" Anarchism, when your average two-year-old lives there instinctively. Perhaps you could say he was the first person stupid enough to think it would work in practice and therefore write about it as a serious social system (Or, more accurately, non-system).
Augustine of Hippo was the last thinker to ever get truly introspective.
The rest since then are just trying to be novel.
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You guys are just posing because you know nadin's offline.
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You guys are just posing because you know nadin's offline.
Oh, I am so googling a witty retort to that!
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Oh, I am so googling a witty retort to that!
You, sir, have crossed a line in the sand. A rubicscube of mastiff pererations.
No this. The truth will be scene.
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You, sir, have crossed a line in the sand. A rubicscube of mastiff pererations.
No this. The truth will be scene.
Butt knot herd.