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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: Gina on January 03, 2012, 02:49:54 PM
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http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/jan/03/farmers-rally-against-settlement-over/
(http://media.commercialappeal.com/media/img/photos/2012/01/03/farmapp_t607.jpg)
Absotootly redunkulous.
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The current settlement, called Pigford II
How appropriate!
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Somewhat related to this, I got into a Facebook discussion with a small group of liberals on what Santorum said:
ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/what-did-rick-santorum-say-welfare-comments-scrutinized/)
There were "appalled" at his choice of words and called him a racist.
I wasn't appalled at all. I thought, "If the shoe fits, wear it."
If the entitlement mentality wasn't such an issue with blacks (and others on the welfare rolls), there wouldn't be an issue. They'd stop protesting, get off their asses, and go to work.
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If the entitlement mentality wasn't such an issue with blacks (and others on the welfare rolls), there wouldn't be an issue. They'd stop protesting, get off their asses, and go to work.
Right, don't be what you say your aren't. It's that easy.
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Doris Arnett, who said her parents were farmers, spoke to those gathered, saying she was "expecting to be compensated on behalf of our dearest loved ones. When the checks are printed, I expect to see my name on one."
we just have to understand. they expect to be paid for something they didn't even have stake in!
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http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/jan/03/farmers-rally-against-settlement-over/
(http://media.commercialappeal.com/media/img/photos/2012/01/03/farmapp_t607.jpg)
Absotootly redunkulous.
Where are the farmers?
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we just have to understand. they expect to be paid for something they didn't even have stake in!
Butes youses white folks oweses us's dat money for all dose years in slavery.
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Where are the farmers?
And why is there a political function in a church?
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And why is there a political function in a church?
:whistling: :whistling: :whistling:
Hush now Docstew, no one was supposed to notice this.
I have noticed that for the last 15 years or so, the poor black community's are given all the blame for our woes when it comes to welfare.
California is being drained not by the Americans of any race but by the illegals that in staggering numbers come here to demand rights that they just do not have as Americans do. Once they become Naturalised Americans then their rights kick in.
I am so tired of hearing that Americans refuse work and the economy will go to hell were it not for the illegals that will do the jobs. BULL crap, in the city's that round up the illegals to truck them to a farm to work, the black and white workers are afraid to take a job, they are threatened by gangs of illegals that want that job for a family member.
Our economy is not the fault of Americans, it is the fault of the tidal wave of illegals that have taken over a large portion of our South West and North East. Not to forget Florida where a Black or White American has to compete
with Latinos from all over South America and Cuba.
Humbug, Even Obama as much as told Black Americans to get up off their Ass and go to work------How can they when the illegals are allowed to buy a business and only hire other illegals, I have yet to see many black or whites working for a Middle Eastern store, few Irishmen working at a Chinese Restaurant or Black woman working at an Indian carpet store.
Fries my butt to see how legal Americans get the blame for not working because all the jobs go to the illegals that seem to be running the country today.
All that money in health care down the tubes to treat illegals and the poor Americans have to wait in line, or get no care due to the over flow of the illegals demanding the same rights as the legal.
We are going the way of Europe, the illegals come roaring in and take over. The wimp wrists, corrupt governments allow this and, darn this reminds me of the Mongal Hoards that took over most of the world.
My heart goes out to the Americans, and we never know when it will be us, get the blame for our country's problems when the invaders get a pass, to do as they wish.
This problem is NOT the fault of Americans of any race much less the Blacks, darn I wish people would stop picking on these Americans, those farmers in the video, and yes they were mostly farmers trying to eek out a living are FRIGING Americans.
Who's country is this anyway, long as we continue to allow illegals to buy up our land, factory's and put money in the bank accounts of most every polition in the country from the local sheriff to the mayors of towns and city's with the billions of bucks from the drug trades, They got us by the balls.
America will not survive as we know it as long as we put the blame on Americans themselves.
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Shut up, vesta
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Shut up, vesta
Why Gina should I not have have my views on what is going on ????
Are my views so off and crazy when I see things that just make no sense to me.
Why are we Americans blamed for the problems others create for us and the reason is that government will not face reality.
We can boost up manufacturing in our country, flood the market with our production, but how to trade with other country's that demand a 20-30% import tax on our goods. We mean while allow at no cost in importations of knock offs of our product.
We have the right to get a pattern on our goods, what good does it do if other country's ignore the pattern and flood the country with cheaper versions of the product and undermine the profits of the patent holder???
Gina, you are a thinking woman, just suppose you invent a product, be it whatever, get bank loans to produce the product, get it patented, pay to have it manufactured and pay to have your product placed in stores.
You are up to your butt in loans etc. but your product is flying off the shelves in stores. You still have a long way to go to make a profit but the future looks clear.
One day you visit a Walmart or K mart that you have to pay for shelf space and find your product is next to say a Chinese product the same as yours but for $5.00 less. Same thing as yours, and they do not have to pay you a dime on your patent.
There goes American ingenuity, there goes the hope for the people that are smart inventors of American products.
I may shut up eventually, but as long as I have hope in America I will still cry out. When the time comes that I feel all help for America is lost then I will shut up and except the fact that Someone has sold us down the river of history.
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Back on topic, instead of a long peculiar aside about outsourcing American jobs or whatever the Hell vesta was talking about, this whole Black Farmer case is an outrageous, notorious scam for which most of the claimants and their lawyers ought to be going to jail, if we didn't have an Attorney General and Justice Department that are more concerned with hounding anyone who dares to oppose any special interests that support Obozo than with actually doing their jobs.
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Back on topic, instead of a long peculiar aside about outsourcing American jobs or whatever the Hell vesta was talking about, this whole Black Farmer case is an outrageous, notorious scam for which most of the claimants and their lawyers ought to be going to jail, if we didn't have an Attorney General and Justice Department that are more concerned with hounding anyone who dares to oppose any special interests that support Obozo than with actually doing their jobs.
And the litigants are tooo damn stupid to figure out that the lawyer wants to hold out for more money because he will get more money :argh:
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I'm telling ya, anyone in favor of limiting vesta's posts to 20 words or less, say, "AYE!"
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And why is there a political function in a church?
Because they are black liberals. Only white conservative Christians cannot hold political functions in their church for fear of the great hand of government. ****ing bullshit.
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I'm telling ya, anyone in favor of limiting vesta's posts to 20 words or less, say, "AYE!"
AYE
Or can we just make her invisible? :popcorn:
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AYE
Or can we just make her invisible? :popcorn:
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Problem solved.
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AYE!
Never use 50 words to ramble on when a simple 10,000 will do.
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Problem solved.
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Problem solved.
Then there has to be a pact that no one quotes her
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Then there has to be a pact that no one quotes her
Roger that. Doing so only encourages additional monologues.
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Then there has to be a pact that no one quotes her
No worry here.
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Problem solved.
That's fine, Reb--but I make it a point of pride that I have never, nor will I ever, have anyone on ignore.
I WILL, however, ridicule the shit out of stupid people. Sorry, I know, I should be nicer. But they should be smarter.
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That's fine, Reb--but I make it a point of pride that I have never, nor will I ever, have anyone on ignore.
I WILL, however, ridicule the shit out of stupid people. Sorry, I know, I should be nicer. But they should be smarter.
Well, that's a start. There's hope for you yet!
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Bite me, you horn blowing bastage.
I said I **SHOULD** be nicer--never said I **WOULD** be nicer.
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Bite me, you horn blowing bastage.
I said I **SHOULD** be nicer--never said I **WOULD** be nicer.
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Bite me, you horn blowing bastage.
I said I **SHOULD** be nicer--never said I **WOULD** be nicer.
Well now, that's the first step to rehabilitation...recognizing what every other ignorant sumbitch's problem is...
...or something like that...
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That's fine, Reb--but I make it a point of pride that I have never, nor will I ever, have anyone on ignore.
I WILL, however, ridicule the shit out of stupid people. Sorry, I know, I should be nicer. But they should be smarter.
Ridicule all you want, just don't quote her...
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Where are the farmers?
Dey don't look like farmers, do dey?
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Dey don't look like farmers, do dey?
Nope, look like greedy little shits.
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I'm telling ya, anyone in favor of limiting vesta's posts to 20 words or less, say, "AYE!"
wasnt she previously limited to 25 words (7)
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My X-wife planted some flowers 35 years ago...can I get half of her settlement?
Oh, I forgot, she was white.
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My X-wife planted some flowers 35 years ago...can I get half of her settlement?
Oh, I forgot, she was white.
Oh Johnny, take your self to the poor areas in America, I am not talking about the huge farms or even the little 3 acre spreads.
Seen allot of farms in the ghettos of some nasty city's from the window of the Amtrack. Total distruction in some places and somehow the people that live in those hell holes have managed to plant roof top gardens on abandoned factory roofs. Falling down boarded up places that someone has come in and planted both on the roof but in vacant lots.
Seen some fenced in nasty areas where people raise livestock, chickens and goats smack dab in the middle of a battle field of Gang warfare.
What is a farmer to you Johnny, anyone that plants roses in the front yard or those that have to bust their ass fighting the weather to grow enough to feed their family, raise chickens for eggs or a chicken in a pot??? Not easy those fricken chickens, keeping them disease free, cleaning out the coop every other day with a face mask on. YUCK.
In Tenn. most small farmers have given up raising a milk cow/cows the regulations on selling their milk even to neighbors is too costly.
Lots going into milk goats, the milk is going to make cheese and will be sterilized by the buyer, just milk the suckers every few days, keep the milk cold and a tanker will be by to pick it up.
Unfortunately for the poor that do farm even a half acre of land there is no guarantee the crop will come up, weather, flooding, or a dry spell, hours of hard back breaking toil to see it all gone in a moment of time.
What is the difference between a cattle owner that has access to Federal land to feed their herd of cattle at little cost to them and a farmer that works dawn to dusk plowing fields, setting in plants,finding a way to irrigate the crops.
Sort of a Cane and Able problem here. For some reason God would not accept the tremendous hard work of the Farmer but accepted the sit back and watch as the flocks grew and multiplied for the Shepperd.
The most dangerous job with the most accidents is that of the farmer, people get injured in hay balers, kicked in the head by cows, have tractors tip over on them, for the poor without all this, there is heat stroke, snake bites, and the never ending worry about the weather.
I side with anyone that has even a small plot of land to farm. One cannot just walk off and leave it to God that the crop will come up. One can raise a few goats and leave them be for a few months to forage, to multiply and only tend to them when there is a problem.
Farmers, what are farmers suppose to look like, old men in a coffee shop wearing bib overalls, all white men for the love of God??
Do any of the people in the picture look like they grow roses or sit back and watch beef cattle breed as they sit and sip lemonade on a hot day ?????
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Oh Johnny, take your self to the poor areas in America, I am not talking about the huge farms or even the little 3 acre spreads.
Seen allot of farms in the ghettos of some nasty city's from the window of the Amtrack.
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Vesta, cut us some f**king slack........what you see in ghettos aren't farms, and you live in Maine, where all they farm for up there are welfare checks.......based on your off-topic comments, you wouldn't recognise a real farm (or farmer) if one bit you in the backside, through your Amtrack window.
A "farm" is generally defined as an agricultural enterprise large enough to generate a profit over the business cycle.......not a roof garden, or a vegetable collective.
Keep it up and I'm going to put you back on the "20 words or less" restriction.......
doc
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Hey Vesta, I was raised on a farm. I have made most of my livelihood working for farmers. I've watched farming in my area die. As a child there used to be 6 dairy farms within a mile or so of home...now there isn't a single one left in the county...and none in the adjoining counties. As for plowing the fields and growing grain, cotton, etc.. that all died out in the late 70's. Nothing around here now but cows, hogs, chickens, turkey factory farms and city slicker hobby farmers baiting deer.
You know, as a 10+ year old I made good money plowing small garden spots after school with a IH Cub tractor...then at 12 years old, daddy bought an 8N Ford tractor for me and I got rich :rotf: By my senior year in high school I owned a Farmall MD and a IH TD-9 bulldozer. I mowed pastures, did hay baling, cleared land, built ponds. Call me a selfish, greedy, conservative republican if you'd like but I loved earning money back then...and I saved it...then I got a job and continued to work on the side....then I got what I call stupid...I went into business full time and hired people, mostly DUmmies, and things were down hill then because they felt you owed them a living equal to or better than the one you had.
As one older gentleman told me, "Didn't make much money but didn't we have fun".
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Dey don't look like farmers, do dey?
They're loudly anticipating the hatin' "reverend" Wright, or practicing to see how many flies they can catch in those big mouths. :whatever:
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Hey Vesta, I was raised on a farm. I have made most of my livelihood working for farmers. I've watched farming in my area die. As a child there used to be 6 dairy farms within a mile or so of home...now there isn't a single one left in the county...and none in the adjoining counties. As for plowing the fields and growing grain, cotton, etc.. that all died out in the late 70's. Nothing around here now but cows, hogs, chickens, turkey factory farms and city slicker hobby farmers baiting deer.
You know, as a 10+ year old I made good money plowing small garden spots after school with a IH Cub tractor...then at 12 years old, daddy bought an 8N Ford tractor for me and I got rich :rotf: By my senior year in high school I owned a Farmall MD and a IH TD-9 bulldozer. I mowed pastures, did hay baling, cleared land, built ponds. Call me a selfish, greedy, conservative republican if you'd like but I loved earning money back then...and I saved it...then I got a job and continued to work on the side....then I got what I call stupid...I went into business full time and hired people, mostly DUmmies, and things were down hill then because they felt you owed them a living equal to or better than the one you had.
As one older gentleman told me, "Didn't make much money but didn't we have fun".
Johnny, I too grew up around farmers, not in Maine but New Hampshire. I spent my summer vacations with Grandparents until Dad retired from the Navy and built a modern home on Grandparents property. The plans may have come from a Sears Kit, first open area home in the area and my friends thought it way cool. We had a half bath downstairs and a full bath upstairs. the full cellar became a game room.
Small school, 3/4 of the school had children whose parents were farmers of one sort or another. Only social life for us kids was the small Community Church-------I was perhaps one of the 6 others whose parents were not Farmers.
Those friends that were farmers fascinated me, these kids had their parents around from birth 24/7 all their lives. Me I had to adjust to seeing my Dad just for a few months each year. When he retired he took a 3-11 shift at a ship yard so I seldom saw him during the week.
I joined 4H but was allowed just one dog, no cats, and all my friends had cows, chickens, hogs, rabbits etc.
Being an only child I spent much time with my friends on the farms. I learned to candle eggs, milk a cow and goats by hand and to shuffle across the barn floors when the chicks were raised.
I soon learned why the kids thought my family was wealthy, the life of a farmer was so different from mine. My dad had a pension at 38, the farmers his age had another 30 years of work to retirement.
I was glad to pitch in and tread hay on a waggon, piled in loose and loaded into the barns with a metal Jaws thing on a block and tackle rig. Some of these farmers had no inside bathrooms and just the trusty red water pump in the kitchen sink. Had to at 10 years old remember to leave water to prime the pump for next use.
I saw the life of a farmer back then, the mothers of my friends looked to be about the same age as my grandmothers, none wore clothing like My mother or worked outside the home. Theirs was a hard life, a simple twisted ankle meant the woman had to take over duty's to the live stock in addition to their own duty's.
I saw the accidents also, a hay rake spine pierced a classmates lung, broken arms, legs and head injuries, burns some very bad and death to one boy that fell off the back of a tractor and broke his skull.
These days came to an end with the war and the draft. My classmates the boys could have gotten a deferment but ended up in Asia, my girlfriends married service men and left the family to either sell the farm or allow the tax man to take it.
Some did return, not to farm but to become business men and woman. I know of no classmates that today work the land for little reward, few want to grow old before their time or to raise a family as they were raised.
It is no wonder to me that the big farms are owned by a big company, sad as few kids will know the thrill of climbing on the rafters of a barn and jump 10-15 feet into loose hay, being allowed into a barn to watch the birthing of a baby milk cow, or horse.
[ in one case I was kept out of a barn when a cow tried to birth twins and the baby's were removed with force, bad luck I was told, one baby had to die as the mother could not feed two. I never did find out if this was fact or a superstition among the milk cow farmers.]
Farming, not for the faint of heart or anyone that wants to make money, Farming is a life or death struggle on any scale, sooner or later the animals we raise from birth end up on someones dinner table.
Then there is the terrable problem the cantaloupe growers faced when their entire crop was found to be contaminated.
North Carolina, down through the Dismal Swamp area, some farmers buy the fertilizer made from sludge, I can tell just when driving through by the acid smell. The small farms that use good old horse or cow manure smells sweet, a product of grass eating animals, to city folks this stinks but to me it is a comforting smell from the past-----
The Black farmers in the pictures may be the last of the small time American farmers, all or most of the big time farms are owned lock stock and barrel by foreign company's that hire Americans to work on American soil.
I do remember my Dad joking in the early 1960's that as farmers were being paid to not plant some crop or another he was going to check into if the government would pay him to not raise Hogs. He realised the insanity of the government at that time so long ago, unfortunately he was a bit scared of hogs, darn that money could have put me through a 4 year college, all he had to do was threaten to open a hog farm and there would have been a twice yearly check in the mail.
Things never change, just wear different hats.