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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dandi on January 02, 2012, 01:41:41 AM
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That couldn't be, could it?
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Viva_La_Revolution
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Iran test fires medium-range missile in Gulf
(Al Jazeera) Iran has successfully test fired a medium-range surface-to-air missile during navy war games taking place near the strategic Strait of Hormuz, the official IRNA news agency has reported.
"This medium-range surface-to-air missile is equipped with the latest technology to combat radar-evading targets and intelligent systems which try to disrupt missile navigation," Mahmoud Mousavi, spokesman for the manoeuvres, was quoted as saying on Sunday.
He said it was the first time Iran had tested the missile, which was "domestically designed and built".
Mousavi also said that the 10 days of war games were to end on Monday with all ships and submarines exercising a new tactic to practise the closure of the strait "if Iran's navy so chooses".
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/01/2012111100508239.html?utm_content=automateplus&utm_campaign=Trial6&utm_source=SocialFlow&utm_term=tweets&utm_medium=MasterAccount
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Star Member Fearless
1. "domestically designed and built"... how much did China do for this one I wonder?
Star Member bahrbearian
5. I wonder how much Nuclear Capabilities we gave Isreal, not to mention Arms.
Fearless
7. I did not say it didn't go both ways.
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However I am saying that the actions that Iran are taking currently are needlessly aggressive.
crim son
9. Needlessly aggressive?
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Perhaps Iran should do what Iraq did, and allow inspectors in, publicly destroy whatever crappy old weaponry it has and basically humiliate itself. THAT will keep us from invading, right?
bahrbearian
13. LOL, agressive like being surrounded by invading armies, that are beating the drums of war.
Iran is surrounded by invading armies?
lunatica
2. Iran's weapons capabilities is what will keep us out of a war with them
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I hate to say that, but it's true. No one needs nuclear weapons anymore. Just have a sizable arsenal of modern weapons and no one will really mess with you.
The US likes to go to war with countries which have been stripped of weapons or have been softened up through crippling sanctions and shock and awe bombing for days on end. Or war with a country that still lives in the Middle Ages.
truth2power
15. We only attack those who are weak. I don't think anyone should have nuclear weapons...
but if I were head of the military in Iran I would direct their scientists to work with all deliberate speed to build a nuclear capability.
Sadly, that's the only way any country can protect themselves, these days, from US terrorism.
Zorro
8. Hope Iran test fires a few more SAMs
Bet you'd like to see a couple of downed Navy F-18s, too. C'mon, admit it. That's DU fwap material, right there.
USA_1
11. Kudos to Iran (if true)
We keep getting so many false reports that you have to wonder if it is true.
Iran has a right to advance science in any way it sees fit. Nobody stops any other country from pursuing the advancement of science and this is the same approach the world should take with Iran.
on point
25. Sound self defense exercise given US and Israel threats of aggression
Don't you dare question their patriotism!
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With "friends" like these.......
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Mousavi also said that the 10 days of war games were to end on Monday with all ships and submarines exercising a new tactic to practise the closure of the strait "if Iran's navy so chooses".
What are they planning on doing.... Sail out to the strait and participate in a synchronised self sinking ?
It'd sure reduce the expense and time consumption involved in tracking them all down and sinking them one by one ; but still won't close the strait.
So suck it up you DU traitors.
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The following was posted by an Aussie from downunder at.....
http://www.acmoc.org/bb/showthread.php?14836-O.T.-If-Folks-Only-Could-Understand
Maybe if we rubbed their noses in it they would understand.
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Subject: If folks only could understand. A Quaker's Letter to Marines.
Dear Marines,
I worked nights as a waitress, paying my way through college, in Honolulu during the early 80s. Between work and school, I didn't have much time to meet other people, and my family was thousands of miles away. Several Marines frequented the bar, and one GySgt. of a Marine sniper platoon, Larry Hatfield, sensed my shyness and invited me to participate in a lot of Marine recreational events. We became close friends, but I could never understand how a person could look through a scope and willingly kill another human being.
As a Quaker, the very concept of a sniper troubled me. I was raised that killing is always wrong - period. I often told him, and the other guys in the sniper platoon, my opinion on this. They usually remained silent on the subject.
As time went by, I lost contact with the Marines I knew from that sniper platoon, but I was privileged, later on, to be invited to produce tours as a volunteer (USO/AFE) for Marines on various bases overseas. Those of you who have met USO/AFE entertainers know that we are nowhere near the combat zones, and are in fact well-insulated from the horrors of war.
We have fun entertaining you; we love eating with you at the mess halls or sitting out in the dirt and hearing your crazy jokes; we do our handshake tours of hospitals and PR tents and feel good and then are lucky enough to go home while you stay behind.
But Iraq was different. For the first time I found myself weeping at night after I came back from doing handshake tours. I couldn't adopt the USO maxim of looking the Marines in the eyes and shaking hands on the hospital tours, because there were teenage Marines with no hands and no eyes.
A bomb at a well while I was there on my last tour left 200 women and children dead or injured at the hands of their own countrymen. The image of a Marine, badly wounded, struggling to carry a small 3 yr old girl to safety is forever seared in my mind.
I wondered - a lot - about the kind of sacrifice that it takes for a person to volunteer in the Corps and experience this kind of tragedy on a regular basis.
Iraqi women refugees would tell me, through translators, about how the Kurdish women would throw their infants from trucks on their way to being executed by Saddam Hussein in the hope that strangers would raise the soon-to-be-orphaned children, and how often it was only the U.S. Marines and military units who would help them get medical care if they did survive the terrors inflicted upon them.
This is what I have learned about war and the Marines: that I have never seen a U.S. senator cry while telling me about holding a dying friend in his arms, and there's precious few senators who come home from work missing a leg or two.
That I have never heard a U.S. congressman tell me what it's like to pass out soccer balls and writing paper to children who have been denied an education since birth.
That I have never heard any politician or corporate leader describe to me, as one Marine did after a show, that she wanted a better life for her child back home but wanted better lives for the children of Iraq, too.
Marines are living - and sometimes dying - for democracy, not just talking about it for the CNN cameras. They do their jobs, and come home, quietly, to go back to farming in Iowa, driving cabs in New York, or driving trucks in Kentucky, and,.... for the most part, don't talk about it. And God knows we civilians don't get an accurate picture back home of what is going on.
I still think killing is wrong, but I have come to understand that sometimes it is necessary and that lack of intervention, especially in humanitarian missions in oppressed nations, is tantamount to pulling the trigger on innocent civilians who only want what we want: a safe home for their children and food on the table and the right to be who they are.
I'm not naive enough to think that most of our political leaders go to war for compassion (I think most of them want to protect corporate interests), but I do believe, from knowing the Marines I have been lucky enough to know, that Marines act from compassion, decency, and with hearts bigger than most people will ever experience.
I understand now that a sniper - or any Marine, in any job supporting the ideals of the Corps - does what he or she does because the Constitution of the United States is not some remote piece of paper; the idea of freedom is real to a Marine.
As one young lance corporal told me, as he guarded us during a show set-up in a particularly volatile area (after our show had been cancelled the day before because terrorists had blown up another 27 children nearby), "Don't worry - we got your back."
It shames me to think that I had to leave my country on these tours in order to understand what precious gifts I have as an American, that every day, somewhere in the world, a Marine is watching my back. I never considered that a sniper, or any Marine, may be asked to kill in order to save innocent lives but now I understand.
So to all of you Marines out there, please accept this heartfelt thanks for what you do.
To the guys from the sniper platoon in Kaneohe - this is a late apology for questioning you, and a thank you for what you have taught me, but I hope some of you read this. In our American culture, we don't talk much about being noble, decent, loyal and honorable.
I have yet to meet a Marine who did not possess all of those qualities. You are the big kids in high school who didn't let the bullies hurt the little kids.
If you are reading this from Afghanistan or Iraq or Camp Lejeune; if you are reading this from a V.A. facility; if you are reading this from your home, know this: that what you do is important. When you are feeling weary and discouraged, remember that there are people in the world living in freedom because of you. Not only the refugees from war - but me, too.
Sincerely,
Laura Minor
Saepius Exertus, Semper Fidelis, Frater Infinitas
Often Tested, Always Faithful, Brothers Forever.
May all our service men and women from both our nations have a happy, prosperous and SAFE New year. And thank YOU, Laura Minor, wherever you are, for sharing your thoughts and your experiences with us.
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"Maybe if we rubbed their noses in it they would understand."
Na, they can't they have a mental disorder. :mental:
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"Maybe if we rubbed their noses in it they would understand."
Na, they can't they have a mental disorder. :mental:
DUmmies!
UNDERSTAND?
Not in this world, not on this planet, not in the next millennium.
Most don't have the brain cells to process basic functions to begin with, and the few that do are in a constant state of sedation. :stoner:
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For the last 70 years, liberals seem uniform in their inability to identify their enemies.
as a consequence, they can never be trusted to defend the country.
For example take Obama. He appointed Janet Reno to Homeland security. They took the focus off Muslims and placed it onto conservatives. TSA is another good example, the people are the enemy, not terrorists.
No liberalism is a particular form of madness that destroys it's host country.
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lunatica
2. Iran's weapons capabilities is what will keep us out of a war with them
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I hate to say that, but it's true. No one needs nuclear weapons anymore. Just have a sizable arsenal of modern weapons and no one will really mess with you.
The US likes to go to war with countries which have been stripped of weapons or have been softened up through crippling sanctions and shock and awe bombing for days on end. Or war with a country that still lives in the Middle Ages.
They have no advanced capabilities, douchebag. They're flying around in F-14's, which they can't get new parts for, their "new" supposedly awesome jet, which looks exactly like a refurbed POS F-5, and cruising around in 32' offshore fishing boats, oh, I'm sorry, "military corvettes". The remaining F-22's we still have in inventory would wipe out their entire air defense capabilities within a day and their naval forces would be crushed in a matter of hours.
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The followers of the "O" won't be happy until he has totally destabilized the region. If the DUmmies think gas prices are high now, just wait until Iran starts threatening the rest of its oil producing neighbors with nuclear weapons.
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For the last 70 years, liberals seem uniform in their inability to identify their enemies.
as a consequence, they can never be trusted to defend the country.
For example take Obama. He appointed Janet Reno Napolitano to Homeland security. They took the focus off Muslims and placed it onto conservatives. TSA is another good example, the people are the enemy, not terrorists.
No liberalism is a particular form of madness that destroys it's host country.
FIFY . . .
Plus, Ogre, IIRC, Saudi Arabia has already made a treaty with Pakistan about buying two of their nukes, if they need to.
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FIFY . . .
Is there really a difference between the two?
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Is there really a difference between the two?
One looks like Alice The Goon and wears glasses. The other . . . well, she's just brain-dead to the real threat.
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FIFY . . .
Plus, Ogre, IIRC, Saudi Arabia has already made a treaty with Pakistan about buying two of their nukes, if they need to.
They can buy all they want. I have been to that country enough times to know that they will never have the skills and commitment to maintaining them properly, much less be capable of effectively utilizing them.
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FIFY . . .
Plus, Ogre, IIRC, Saudi Arabia has already made a treaty with Pakistan about buying two of their nukes, if they need to.
I thought they would have Pakistan station nukes in Saudi Arabia, much the same way the US has nukes in countries that have signed the non-proliferation treaty.
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I thought they would have Pakistan station nukes in Saudi Arabia, much the same way the US has nukes in countries that have signed the non-proliferation treaty.
That could work, however I believe the best solution is prevention of proliferation. Military force may be required as time appears to be running out for a more diplomatic solution.
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Who woudda thunk it.
The muslim leader of Iran is going to cause the undoing of the muslim leader of the US.
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Don't you dare question their patriotism!
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I've never questioned the patriotism of anyone at the DUmp.
You can't question something that's never, ever been there in the first place.
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lunatica
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The US likes to go to war with countries which have been stripped of weapons or have been softened up through crippling sanctions and shock and awe bombing for days on end. Or war with a country that still lives in the Middle Ages.
The anti-America quotes from the sub humans who benefit from the very society they denigrate is no surprise. This particular quote, I believe, is very revealing.
What this, and most, DUmmies do not understand is strategic and tactical advantage. General George S Patton said it most succinctly when he stated that wars are won by "making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country".
Now, lurking DUmmies, stick with me because you're going to learn something: An objective is easier to take when it has been softened up and you get less of your own troops injured/killed (see quoted material above).
Sanctions, blockades, alliances, and the like are all tools of diplomacy. For that matter, putting ordinance on target and occupying land is diplomacy as well; the very last action of diplomacy. The United States goes to great lengths to keep from having to shoot. When we do shoot, we use guided weapons and rules of engagement to keep the collateral damage to a minimum. Never, in the history of the world, has a belligerent gone out of its way to ensure that military targets only are taken out. I know you twits don't believe that, but we do. Trust me, I've lived US foreign policy at the tip of the spear, I know what I'm talking about.
Since WWII, we have gone above and beyond in developing diplomacy and targeting systems to maximize damage to targets so our human element (the troops) live longer (see above quoted material). We do this because we believe in overwhelming force.
Repeat that until it sinks into your tiny heads - overwhelming force.
Conservatives understand this as they understand the words of General Patton (see above quoted material). This philosophy of war fighting means that we can not only take the objective but hold it as well.
Now, I've said all of that to make one point very clear to you: Never, ever, ever delude yourselves into thinking that somehow you are going to start and win a "revolution" against us. Your "thinking", and I use that term very loosely, does not include the "what if" factor that accompanies your sophomoric railings and you most certainly do not understand overwhelming force.
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What Wasp69 said and more. This country went to wat in WWI and WWII with hations that had the advantage in numbers and technology and we came out as the winners, Also we have since gone from thousand plane bombing campains to usings as few as a dozen aircraft to achaive the same results. Where once we had to drop enough bombs to level several blocks of a city to destroy a target we now have LGS and cruise missiles to hit targets . Our troops have more firepower to carry as opposed to the old M-1 Grande and the M1919 .30 cal. And as Wasp69 said with that force we also do everything to NOt kill innocents even though it still happens,people make mistakes. We are not cowards but our country will defend itself and our friends along with our national interest.
You DUmpmonkies don't like anything about this country and that is your right however you should remember that there is one thing that make that right possible everyday you draw a breath of freash air in a free land.
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