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Thu Dec 29, 2011, 01:22 AM
Star Member hyphenate (12,182 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
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How many kids are too many?
I know that it often depends on situations, such as being rural or urban setting, whether you have enough money to raise them and so on, but for the ordinary human being, does there come a point where it becomes difficult to care about all the kids in the same fashion?
Let's say you have enough money to raise a bunch, but would you love them all equally, in the same way?
Are there different levels parents have their kids on, in terms of "love?" I never had kids, but I have seen some parents favor one child over another.
I ask because I was watching something last night and there was a couple who had two kids, and then their third turned out to be a special needs kid, and all the attention turned to that one, and it seemed, even though it was only segments of their lives, that attention went less to the older two children as a result of the third one's need for more care and attention.
I was first in a family of four kids, and it seemed to me that my brother and I might have gotten more attention simply because we were around longer, but my two younger siblings seemed to have more--well, issues. My sister of course abused (and continues to abuse) alcohol and drugs, and my younger brother was arrogant and nasty (even though he suffered brain trauma in a car accident and requires care, he still has that nastiness right under the surface, and begins to strike out at everyone if he doesn't get his way).
I know some people shouldn't have any at all, but should a family realize their limitations and stop after a couple?
I have more to make up for the one you murdered.
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Thu Dec 29, 2011, 01:27 AM
Star Member marasinghe (808 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. look at it from the Kids' point of view: is this a frikkin world you'd wanna be born & live in?
All your liberal PC bullshit is what is screwing up this world. Let parent raise and DISCIPLINE their kids, not be controlled by the state.
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Thu Dec 29, 2011, 01:30 AM
bluestateguy (37,459 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. Under most circumstances I would say 4 should be the max
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But then you have some families where two or even one is too many: as in they have children they cannot financially afford.
I oppose any government law that would impose a China-like policy on the US. That would be the height of big government in the bedroom.
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Thu Dec 29, 2011, 01:32 AM
Star Member The Straight Story (36,038 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. Is that 4 per male or female? My 5 were with 3 different people
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And how would you enforce the max?
And those mother's had kids with multiple father's.
Sex, drugs and rock n roll was more that a slogan.
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Thu Dec 29, 2011, 01:34 AM
Star Member CoffeeCat (18,009 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
9. It depends on the parents...
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Some people shouldn't even have ONE child. Some parents have many children, and the
parents are terrific people who raise their children well. That doesn't mean that they children turn out perfect, but at least the parents give it their all and are devoted to the kids.
The problem is--you can't control idiots. People are going to have as many kids as they feel like. My husband was
the youngest of twelve children. His parents were complete jerks. His father was an alcoholic and his mother
was neglectful. She slept all day and she was so neglectful that one of her children died while she was sleeping. One of
her toddlers pulled boiling water on herself, because the kids were making their own lunches as mom slept. It was
really a sad, pathetic upbringing.
Then you have the large family that was in my high school. They had 16 kids. They were a happy, fun family
and everyone liked the kids. They were so sweet. They all grew up to be well-adjusted adults.
It's not the number. It's the parents and the quality of parents. Unfortunately, bad parents are most often
bad people who don't make the right decision to not be parents. That ends up being lifelong pain for their
children.
This question is getting stale but is so fitting here, What's their DU names?
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Thu Dec 29, 2011, 01:42 AM
Star Member HipChick (7,194 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
14. 1 is 1 too many..
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and kids are not hanging around to look after elder parents so much..
So if they don't support you, they're not worth having?
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Fri Dec 30, 2011, 08:02 AM
Star Member Skidmore (26,362 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
84. Thank you.
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Sometimes the meaning of right to choose gets lost on DU.
No shit.
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How many kids are too many?
You have too many when you can't support/provide for them. That's the logical answer.
(Yes I know...Logic+DU=(http://fc03.deviantart.net/images/i/2003/40/2/a/Exploding_Smiley.gif))
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Who the hell do these f'n morons expect to pay into all the entitlement systems like SS they support? And 1 kid doesn't' replace a population. It's a recipe for the extinction of a population.
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Who the hell do these f'n morons expect to pay into all the entitlement systems like SS they support? And 1 kid doesn't' replace a population. It's a recipe for the extinction of a population.
Better yet who are they to decide when and where and how many kids anyone can have? The Chinese are smiling at DU today. And I'm almost certain Hitler is too along with his pal Dr. Mengele
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Better yet who are they to decide when and where and how many kids anyone can have? The Chinese are smiling at DU today. And I'm almost certain Hitler is too along with his pal Dr. Mengele
Well, their hero is Margaret Sanger.
Scratch a liberal, find an authoritarian fascist.
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Who the hell do these f'n morons expect to pay into all the entitlement systems like SS they support? And 1 kid doesn't' replace a population. It's a recipe for the extinction of a population.
If the taxpayers have to pay for and keep up the baby, we pay for one but sterilize the momma if she expects the taxpayers to keep up a second one....same for the baby daddy.
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If the taxpayers have to pay for and keep up the baby, we pay for one but sterilize the momma if she expects the taxpayers to keep up a second one....same for the baby daddy.
Only if you can find him.
Not very likely.
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Only if you can find him.
Not very likely.
DNA and police records...50/50 chance he's on the list.
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Thu Dec 29, 2011, 01:22 AM
Star Member hyphenate (12,182 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
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How many kids are too many?
I know that it often depends on situations, such as being rural or urban setting, whether you have enough money to raise them and so on, but for the ordinary human being, does there come a point where it becomes difficult to care about all the kids in the same fashion?
blah, blah, blah...
Whatever it takes to get your hands on another infant to sacrifice to the bloody-handed gods of socialism, eh?
I DARE any of you moonbats to try to tell me when I've got "too many kids". Moreover, I hope you'll actually be stupid enough to do something about it. You'll be lucky if all that happens is you draw back a bloody stump.
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Scratch a liberal, find an authoritarian fascist.
Thats the theme at DU. laws like this cannot exist in a free country. Only a despot backed by force could enact such laws.
Time and again we see the dreams of DU cannot coexist with an armed populace.
Hi5 for an observation that will be lost on the typical DU lurker.
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If the taxpayers have to pay for and keep up the baby, we pay for one but sterilize the momma if she expects the taxpayers to keep up a second one....same for the baby daddy.
Only if you can find him.
Not very likely.
Then sterilize the momma, AND all her partners for the previous 5 years.
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If the taxpayers have to pay for and keep up the baby, we pay for one but sterilize the momma if she expects the taxpayers to keep up a second one....same for the baby daddy.
Say Guys, what a great idea, then like China if you want more then 1 child and have lots of money the sky is the limit. There seems to be problems over this policy, those that loose their only child and had been state sterilized now had to face growing old with no child to care for them in old age. So much for Ancestor Worship. No one to bring food once a year to their graves.
So why not sterilise the male humans on State demand. First we start with the teen age boys that become fathers at 15, if they cannot support that baby, keep him from knocking up 7-8 other woman by the time they hit 21 and cannot support them either.
Any male that is 3 months late on child support arrested and clipped, it is the duty of the father to help provide for his kids, if he cannot do so insure there will be no more he cannot support.
All this is put on the woman, few females can survive giving birth to a dozen kids, one male can father hundreds +
Oh what fun, now the question of children with obvious problems, physical. Even the very wealthy receive State Aid for a handicapped child, same as the poorest among us. To make the law work fair to all, Post Preterm abortion
This will insure only the poor have healthy kids, the wealthy will have to hide their children and pay off their doctors.
IIRC the South for years until the late 1970's had this progressive idea, sterilized the blacks and a few whites that were prone to criminal activity, or just slow to learn. They seemed to consentrate on the teen black females for some reason. ABOMONATION in our time.
Old Jo Kennedy had the right idea, his daughter was an embarrassment to the family, she fell in love with a married man. [ WAS she pregnant?] Off to an asylum for her, after 20 shock treatments she still loved her boyfriend---so a lobotomy to teach her a thing or two. I am sure the lesson learned by her sisters kept them on the straight and narrow.
Oh yes Johnny, genetic engineering in some form has been around for quite a while, we only question when this EVIL effects us, family or close friend.
Where does religion come in here, those that are devout are not going to tell the Pope to go to hell.
Where do widows come in here that remarry and want a baby from their new husband.
What about those that after years of trying to have a child Adopt and a year later a surprise, wife is pregnant with triplets.
What about the Virgin Mary, had the town Elders know she was an unwed mother before she married Joseph she would have been stoned to death.
The Smithsonian, founder himself born to an unmarried woman spent his live being shunned by some in society as a bas*ard.
I have no problem paying taxes that help out the children of anyone. Children are the future, from the worse or the best family's, way back a poor young man living in a shack, no running water, only heat was a fireplace that he read books by at night. Some called him strange in looks and actions but we venerate him, Abe Lincoln.
Where would we be if a little black boy raised as a slave had not become interested in the lowly Peanut.
Any crap about population control begins and ends with the male ability to hit and run.
Some of this is extreme sarcasm, other black humor, on to frustration on the patriarchal system that puts the problems of population on the woman. The pill for woman and various IUDS that can cause problems for some woman, has been around for 50 years, So why have the male scientist not YET come up for a pill for men.
OH yes they are too busy making Viagra to allow men to have even more sex.
Balderdash----- I AM not a feminist, I just want procreation to not be blamed on some poor woman when the male is the only way a female can get pregnant. Men have the choice to spread their seed, all to often they are expected to, the female is always to blame.
OK Men I expect to get bashed big time, What I want men Clipped, oh crap what happens to their man hood???
That Vesta is a crazy Bitch, I can anticipate this.
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If it ever came to that, it would make a lot more sense to off an aging hippie for every child that was born, preferably an unemployed one with a record of trying to work a disability scam.
Hey DU - :bird:
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Response to hyphenate (Original post)
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 01:27 AM
Star Member marasinghe (808 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. look at it from the Kids' point of view: is this a frikkin world you'd wanna be born & live in?
If that is how you feel, you know where the door is.
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What's stopping these whiners from checking out if it's so bad?
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The definition of choice evidently only includes murder.
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Mind you...
...these are the same people who claim wrong-thinking people reject Darwinism and all its "logical" implications...
...yet they have turned the term "breeder" into a slur.
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Only if you can find him.
Not very likely.
It's the only reason Maury Povich has a paycheck.
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Once again the "America is losing it's freedoms... we're doomed" crowd is advocating the loss of more another freedom.
:thatsright:
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Thats the theme at DU. laws like this cannot exist in a free country. Only a despot backed by force could enact such laws.
Time and again we see the dreams of DU cannot coexist with an armed populace.
Hi5 for an observation that will be lost on the typical DU lurker.
It's why it's so easy to set up a dictatorship among leftists. Just look at Bitch Beth's obsession with the Venezuelan Chipmunk. Can you name me one dictatorship that practices free-market Capitalism and small government, both of which fiscal Conservatives champion? Nope.
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I know some people shouldn't have any at all, but should a family realize their limitations and stop after a couple?
Psst, little dictator, did you ever consider another person's limitations may not be the same as yours? Something tells me too your grand plan would not necessarily be instituted on those who obviously need it most ie those with 4 or 5 children by different sperm donors, but with couples who made the active consideration to marry, plan, have a family, etc.
And speaking of the sperm donors, wouldn't be easier to sterilize a man who shows a propensity to 'dump and run' with many women, then having the whole act occur without precaution and then going through the much more invasive procedure of abortion? His unsterilized dick can do far more damage then any one woman's womb can. In case you have forgotten, we can only crank out about 1 every 10 or 11 months. A sperm donor with no responsibility to the consequences of his behavior can fill an infinite number of wombs that then have to be scraped(in your world).
I'll put aside all the obvious problems with this when it comes to freedom and the fact a life has to end over this little tyrants world view and only consider the flaws in its critical thinking process if it's eugenic utopia came to be.
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wouldn't be easier to sterilize a man who shows a propensity to 'dump and run' with many women,
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His unsterilized dick can do far more damage then any one woman's womb can.
You mean like...Taverner?
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You mean like...Taverner?
And the Straight Story--5 with 3 :thatsright: :banghead:
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If that is how you feel, you know where the door is.
I love how the miserable loser projects his feelings on kids. Anyone know any kid who has that view of life?
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His unsterilized dick can do far more damage then any one woman's womb can. In case you have forgotten, we can only crank out about 1 every 10 or 11 months. A sperm donor with no responsibility to the consequences of his behavior can fill an infinite number of wombs that then have to be scraped(in your world).
Theoretically that's true, but not necessarily in real life.
News reports from the NBA and NFL suggest that most Obamaite babydaddies top out at around 10-15 mixed-race illegitimates.
Obamaite babymamas, on full taxpayer support, tend toward the same maximum.
It's all good news for the democrat party.
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And speaking of the sperm donors, wouldn't be easier to sterilize a man who shows a propensity to 'dump and run' with many women,
Oh but those women that allow that to happen are going to get pregnant anyway. Plugging a lose cannon here and there won't stop them from getting pregnant.
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Oh but those women that allow that to happen are going to get pregnant anyway. Plugging a lose cannon here and there won't stop them from getting pregnant.
:fuelfire: :fuelfire: :fuelfire:
Man is looking for sex---woman ,looking for love and a partner and neither is having sex to procreate.
Why is it men want sex for fun but women are not suppose to do the same????
Oh Yeah, this is a man thing, an urge to have sex and women cannot have the same urges as a man. Now I understand this, woman that enjoy and need sex are much different from men that need and enjoy sex.
CRAP, I an beginning to understand the thinking of the Muslims here, woman are cows to reproduce, sex is for fun with others.
Quote---Plugging a lose cannon here and there won't stop them from getting pregnant.
Well what do you expect, is the woman getting pregnant her fault, only her fault???? I zero in on the word Them you use, so this is their fault they enjoy sex as much as you but it is THEM that need to prevent any ramifications of it?????
Tell this to a woman 80 years old that is raped, no problem with pregnancy to worry about-----Open hunting months on woman too old to complicate the lives of the male urge.
I may now beginning to see why young men go looking for the Cougars, woman twice their age and oh so greatfull.
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Owww.
My head hurts now.