mmonk (45,438 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
We're not oddballs or unrealistic nutjobs.
I'm speaking of those of us that want a fully funded public sector and are against austerity. Those of us who want a strong regulatory regimen. Those of us who do not want the safety net monkeyed around with. Those of us who want living wages and balanced trade policies. Those of us who demand corporations and the well to do to pay more as they have in the past. Those of us who want those in government and all its functionaries to be bound to Constitutional compliance and restraints. Those of us against privatization of government functions. We're not pie in the sky unreasonable wide eyed crazy liberals. If we complain about course of events and "compromise" at this point, please think of other ways to describe us rather than "purists", Nader supporters, people that don't understand "process", Obama haters or whatever. Just argue your position straight up and if we are wrong, show us where we are wrong.
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NNN0LHI (63,630 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
2. What is your definition of "well to do?"
Reason I ask is it seems like a lot of 99 percenters think raising our property taxes is a great idea.
I don't think being forced out of our home due to rising property taxes is a great idea. All my wife and I have is our home. And we can't sell it for what we have invested in it.
Do you consider us well to do?
Don
Sarah Ibarruri (16,081 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
5. I know, but I don't think he's mentioning the million specifics? Merely a GENERAL CONCEPT that
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those of us who want to PROTECT AND DEFEND the 99% against the 1% are not crazy. As for your property taxes, I'm all for property taxes being raised on properties beyond a certain value that render these properties of the rich. I doubt yours fits into that. Am I correct in assuming your property doesn't fit into the description of a property owned by someone who is rich? Are you rich? Just asking, and not trying to play 'semantics.' I've played semantics with Repukes plenty of times, whereby they say, "Oh well, someone who makes $200,000 and has 14 kids is not rich!" That's just bullshit to prevent a real discussion.
NNN0LHI (63,630 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
11. I retired from an auto factory so I am not rich
My retirement is about $24,000 a year and dropping. My pension was reduced by about a $1000 this year. My property taxes went up $1200 this year.
I consider our 1500 square foot house a pretty nice place to live because we fixed it up and took care of it. Sure isn't no McMansion though.
Does that sound rich to you?
Don
Bluenorthwest (17,451 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
13. Property taxes are local, not nation wide issues, Don
What this thread addresses is the larger picture. There are many States and localities that run property taxes in ways those of us from other places do not understand at all. I offer that failed local politics is what leads to that sort of thing. Your taxes went up because of your local tax law, not because others are seeking justice on other issues thousands of miles from you.
There are places in the US where property taxes need to rise. Others where they need to drop. In CA., they freeze at purchase, so some folks I know who inherited homes pay under $500 on houses now worth more than half a million. Should my pals complain that they pay 375 on a house they could sell for 600K today? Is their situation anything like your own?
NNN0LHI (63,630 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
19. Don't agree about this not being a federal issue
This is why when someone begins talking about raising taxes with no specificity it unnerves me. It is because I am already on the edge financially.
This is a national issue because if my state doesn't receive the federal dollars it needs to keep operating I know darn well my state will need to make up for the loss of those federal dollars somewhere. And in the past those shortfalls were made up with higher property taxes on people just like myself. Texas used Federal Stimulus money to balance the state budget for instance.
So this is a concern that is probably more important to me than most of those concerns expressed by those seeking justice on other issues thousands of miles from me. I am much more concerned about my property taxes increasing than the Federal Reserve. My wife and I don't want to become homeless.
Don
Sarah Ibarruri (16,081 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
25. I know, Don. People are living on the edge. Right wingers have destroyed this country.
It's up to us to educate people and begin rebuilding it. I do understand the fears about what might be done. We can't trust the govt. from Reagan to the present day.
NNN0LHI (63,630 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
21. $1200 is what the taxes on our home were when we moved in 22 years ago
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They are right at $4800 now. Haven't seen the increase for next year yet. When we bought the place we figured they might double and go up to $2400 tops and we should be able to pay that after we got it paid for even on a small pension.
Now we are discovering by the time we get it paid for the property taxes alone per month will be more than our entire original monthly mortgage payment was when we bought this house which included principal, interest, taxes and insurance back then. And my income back then was three times what I am making now.
Last time I told this story here another DUer posted, "Rent, problem solved."
Nice, huh?
Don
NNN0LHI (63,630 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
24. Most of it is attributable to our factories closing up
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Just one Ford plant I retired from used to have 4800 hourly workers and another 1000 salaried employees paying huge amounts of withholding taxes into the state and federal coffers every week. They were all paying the maximum into FICA to keep Medicare and SS well funded too. Most those jobs have been moved overseas.
And that is just one factory out of hundreds just like it. We used to have streets lined with them. Both sides. Gone.
That is the problem.
Don
Edit: I ruled out the housing bubble theory when my homes value increased and my taxes went up, and then later my homes value decreased my taxes still went up.
eridani (32,837 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
26. The problem is that property tax is now the major form of wealth tax
It shouldn't be that way, and it doesn't have to be. We can tax many other forms of wealth, and should.
NNN0LHI (63,630 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
21. $1200 is what the taxes on our home were when we moved in 22 years ago
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They are right at $4800 now. Haven't seen the increase for next year yet. When we bought the place we figured they might double and go up to $2400 tops and we should be able to pay that after we got it paid for even on a small pension.
Now we are discovering by the time we get it paid for the property taxes alone per month will be more than our entire original monthly mortgage payment was when we bought this house which included principal, interest, taxes and insurance back then. And my income back then was three times what I am making now.
Last time I told this story here another DUer posted, "Rent, problem solved."
Nice, huh?
Don
I'm glad I cast one of my votes for DOTY on this clown.
Grouchy old Don is being purposely and wilfully stupid.
He knows why his taxes skyrocketed; he knows he voted for those people.
NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-08-11 12:16 PM
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32. I retired at 48
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One of the reasons I gave consideration to for retiring that early was being worried about hurting someone else on the job.
I wasn't a doctor but my job involved working with very large machinery where one little mistake could cause a fatal injury so fast you can't even imagine. I seen guys get killed on the job and all it took was for one person to not think something thru thorough enough before doing it and a split second later someone would be left dying in about the most horrible way imaginable.
If I had been responsible for something like that I don't think I could have lived with myself. Never gave much thought to how much more money I could have been making if I had not retired when I did. There are a lot more important things to me than money. Peace of mind is one of them.
Don
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mmonk (45,438 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
...
. Those of us who want those in government and all its functionaries to be bound to Constitutional compliance and restraints. ...
I retired at 48
48?? 48?? there is no bloody way could I retire at 48!! Unless I won the powerball!
Must be nice to be able to do that though..
Raise property taxes?
We are not homeowner's yet, but I do get the pleasure of processing loans. I will sometime run into an "evil 1%-er's" home. Just today I had one. The guy paid $2,000 PER MONTH in property (county) taxes alone. That didn't include the hazard, school, or city taxes.
That's more than I pay in a year. I think I'd be moving.
Raise property taxes?
We are not homeowner's yet, but I do get the pleasure of processing loans. I will sometime run into an "evil 1%-er's" home. Just today I had one. The guy paid $2,000 PER MONTH in property (county) taxes alone. That didn't include the hazard, school, or city taxes.
Bluenorthwest (17,451 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
13. Property taxes are local, not nation wide issues, Don
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I'm speaking of those of us that want a fully funded public sector and are against austerity. Those of us who want a strong regulatory regimen. Those of us who do not want the safety net monkeyed around with. Those of us who want living wages and balanced trade policies. Those of us who demand corporations and the well to do to pay more as they have in the past. Those of us who want those in government and all its functionaries to be bound to Constitutional compliance and restraints. Those of us against privatization of government functions. We're not pie in the sky unreasonable wide eyed crazy liberals. If we complain about course of events and "compromise" at this point, please think of other ways to describe us rather than "purists", Nader supporters, people that don't understand "process", Obama haters or whatever. Just argue your position straight up and if we are wrong, show us where we are wrong...
Same here. I cringe at the taxes some people have to pay. They pay a butt load of taxes and these ungrateful little punks want to take more from them. ::)
mmonk (45,438 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
We're not oddballs or unrealistic nutjobs.
I'm speaking of those of us that want a fully funded public sector and are against austerity. Those of us who want a strong regulatory regimen. Those of us who do not want the safety net monkeyed around with. Those of us who want living wages and balanced trade policies. Those of us who demand corporations and the well to do to pay more as they have in the past. Those of us who want those in government and all its functionaries to be bound to Constitutional compliance and restraints. Those of us against privatization of government functions. We're not pie in the sky unreasonable wide eyed crazy liberals. If we complain about course of events and "compromise" at this point, please think of other ways to describe us rather than "purists", Nader supporters, people that don't understand "process", Obama haters or whatever. Just argue your position straight up and if we are wrong, show us where we are wrong.
Thanks
Sarah Ibarruri
As for your property taxes, I'm all for property taxes being raised on properties beyond a certain value that render these properties of the rich.
Here in "red state hell", I pay less than $300 a year for both real estate and personal property taxes. That includes my house, 4 acres of land, 2 barns, a garage, 3 storage buildings, 5 cars (and trucks), and a 26 foot camper.
BTW, who the hell wants to retire at 48? This was not a sustainable plan, Don. You're going to find an income stream somewhere. Those Quickiemart places are always hiring. Get up off the sofa, Don.
Here in "red state hell", I pay less than $300 a year for both real estate and personal property taxes. That includes my house, 4 acres of land, 2 barns, a garage, 3 storage buildings, 5 cars (and trucks), and a 26 foot camper.
An excellent point, Karin, as always...his lucrative UAW-negotiated pension no doubt looked excellent when he was 48, but time, taxes and prices add up over the years to make reliance on any single income stream a poor long-term strategy.
An excellent point, Karin, as always...his lucrative UAW-negotiated pension no doubt looked excellent when he was 48, but time, taxes and prices add up over the years to make reliance on any single income stream a poor long-term strategy.
I am curious if it was set up too that if he stuck it out for another 14 years his pension would have been much higher.
Well Hello you sexy dude, do you belong to the Mafia or have a Daddy as State Senator???My 8th grade drama teacher is a state delegate, the the county board of supervisors determine the tax rates, and 5 of the 9 are farmers.
May be interesting to find out what you have on the town tax assessor.------are you dating his daughter or his son?It's county here, taxed at $1.46/$100 assessed value. Tax assessors are independent contractors brought in every 5 years.
House, do you have running water or use an outhouse.Running, pumped from my own spring. Indoor plumbing, too, with 2 bathrooms.
4 acres of land, are they under water or on protected wet land?Neither
2 barns, are they the size of a dog house.10X12 and 16X24, both w/loft
a garage can mean anything from an unclosed building to a covered area
3 storage buildings can be those large Tupperware containers that hold 50 pounds of goods.8X10, 8X16, and a 10X14
2004 Chevy Avalanche, 1995 Chevy S-10 Blazer, 1993 Buick Century, 1988 Ford F-250 Diesel, and a 1978 Chevy Malibu, all run, all have over 100,000 miles, 4 of them over 200,000 miles.
On to the trucks and cars, we see them all the time sitting next to a house rotting away, haven't been on the road for 20 years.
Ah a 26 foot camper that has sat there for 10 years full of old tires and what not.2008 Wildwood LE by Forest River, brand new, purchased as a closeout February this year for half off list price.
A word of advice, do not get rid of the old trucks and camper, do not mow the lawn or paint the house, do not get inside plumbing that is done by contractors or have Central heating put in by contractors.No need, I already done those things myself, for I used to be a contractor and held plumbing and HVAC licences.say a prayer and have it done by professionals looking for under the table extra money.
Do so on the sly, soon as you begin to mow the lawn and show some improvement your taxes will go sky high.Not here. Half the county is farm land. See first reply as to why rates are so low.
In Maine the French build homes with tarpaper on them, the property looks like hell and their taxes are very low.I live in Virginia.
It is a surprise to enter these shacks to find the interior, kitchens and baths are top of the line. Some of these from the outside of the so called shacks put most homes to shame. High end showers and big power tubs, hard wood floors. In Maine a tax assesor cannot enter a home, they have to determin from the outside the worth, the worse it looks from the outside the less taxes for the homeowner.
No problem every one wants to get an up on the Tax Man, Remember if you walk to work they will tax your feet.Nice Beetles reference.
In this corner of red state hell, we don't pay a personal property tax.
We don't even put a license plate on our boat trailers or utility trailers, just a "W - Still the President" sticker.
Ever checked out property taxes for Rockford?
~10%
Well Hello you sexy dude, do you belong to the Mafia or have a Daddy as State Senator???
May be interesting to find out what you have on the town tax assessor.------are you dating his daughter or his son?
House, do you have running water or use an outhouse. 4 acres of land, are they under water or on protected wet land? 2 barns, are they the size of a dog house. a garage can mean anything from an unclosed building to a covered area, 3 storage buildings can be those large Tupperware containers that hold 50 pounds of goods. On to the trucks and cars, we see them all the time sitting next to a house rotting away, haven't been on the road for 20 years.
Ah a 26 foot camper that has sat there for 10 years full of old tires and what not.
A word of advice, do not get rid of the old trucks and camper, do not mow the lawn or paint the house, do not get inside plumbing that is done by contractors or have Central heating put in by contractors. say a prayer and have it done by professionals looking for under the table extra money.
Do so on the sly, soon as you begin to mow the lawn and show some improvement your taxes will go sky high.
In Maine the French build homes with tarpaper on them, the property looks like hell and their taxes are very low.
It is a surprise to enter these shacks to find the interior, kitchens and baths are top of the line. Some of these from the outside of the so called shacks put most homes to shame. High end showers and big power tubs, hard wood floors. In Maine a tax assesor cannot enter a home, they have to determin from the outside the worth, the worse it looks from the outside the less taxes for the homeowner.
No problem every one wants to get an up on the Tax Man, Remember if you walk to work they will tax your feet.
I wonder when Old Don retired. Was it before Pelosi's Most Ethical Congress took over, because General Motors was making hand over fist money on cheap SUVs during the second half of the Clinton administration up until gas prices skyrocketed under the Democrat leadership in 2007.
Lazy.
Don better calm down or he'll be dead of a heart attack in another ten years.
And the downside of this is . . . ? :???: :???: :???:
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We're not oddballs or unrealistic nutjobs.