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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Tucker on November 27, 2011, 12:09:35 PM
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-27-11 12:11 PM
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Poll question: How common do you honestly think it is for paid operatives to post on progressive forums?
Edited on Sun Nov-27-11 12:54 PM by Douglas Carpenter
I have heard this charge made numberous times and I believe there is a thread right now relating to a BBC article on this subject. I'm curious how much people do think that there are a significant number of paid operatives or even right-wing trolls at work.
Poll result (67 votes)
I think it happens - but it is actually pretty rare. (9 votes, 13%)
I think there are regular paid paid operatives at work on a daily basis - but they rarely have a significant impact on the direction of discussion (4 votes, 6%)
I think there are several paid operatives at work on this and other progressive forums all the time altering and shaping the direction of discussion (14 votes, 21%)
I think there are a lot of right-wing trolls - some paid - some doing it for free - who post on this and other progressive forums all the time and they are causing serious damage (31 votes, 46%)
I have no idea and I am not going to worry about it (9 votes, 13%)
there are no paid operatives ever (0 votes, 0%)
DJ13 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-27-11 12:16 PM
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1. I have to wonder when I see regulars here posting anti #OWS messages
Edited on Sun Nov-27-11 12:16 PM by DJ13
Its been increasing in frequency since the all those cities happened to suddenly... all at the same time.... tried to close them down.
See. We're not just Moles but moles with the power to order cities to obey us.
whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-27-11 12:17 PM
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2. You forgot "There are a lot of of paranoid people who want to desperately
Edited on Sun Nov-27-11 12:18 PM by whistler162
believe in a conspiracy any conspiracy!"
Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean we're still not out to get you.
darth marth (143 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-27-11 12:56 PM
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13. well, here are their tactics, judge for yourself how often you see these in play
"COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
'FORUM SLIDING'
If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.'
TOPIC DILUTION'
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues.
'INFORMATION COLLECTION'
Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered.
'ANGER TROLLING'
Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.
GAINING FULL CONTROL'
It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes."
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I have seen many good people kicked off of this website, and yet many many trolls remain, using many of these very obvious tactics.
For instance, if the topic cannot be discredited, trolls will attempt to provoke a personal attack, cause a big fight and get the whole thread locked, sometimes deleted.
And who hasn't seen how quickly important topics about 9/11 are moved to the dungeon?
FNG darth marth gives us a moling 101 study guide.
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Besides Tucker- how many paid moles are posting at the DUmp? (DU poll)
:-)
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I wish I were paid. :-*
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mopinko DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-27-11 01:16 PM
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17. locking
locking before the finger pointing starts.
thanks
Damn. I was waiting for the post number to rise and then I would have posted.
mopinko cost me money.
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It is so easy to mole DU, the reason being, it is much easier for a civilized person to act like a barbarian, than it is for a barbarian to act civilized.
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It is so easy to mole DU, the reason being, it is much easier for a civilized person to act like a barbarian, than it is for a barbarian to act civilized.
Bingo. All my moles work pro bono although I have heard of others who are just doing it to fulfill community service sentencing. :whistling:
One of my moles recently was featured on another board. :hyper: I was so proud and humbled, of course it is hard when you cannot accept accolades, such is the life of an unpaid mole.
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It is so easy to mole DU, the reason being, it is much easier for a civilized person to act like a barbarian, than it is for a barbarian to act civilized.
I learned that from star trek. :-)
(http://images.wikia.com/startrek/images/8/88/Mirror_Mirror.jpg)
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I learned that from star trek. :-)
It's the beard that gives it away.
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I learned that from star trek. :-)
(http://images.wikia.com/startrek/images/8/88/Mirror_Mirror.jpg)
Sadly, so did I. :-)
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Anyone who disagrees is a paid mole because obviously I'm so correct in my thinking it would be statistically improbable that 99.999% of the population disagrees with me, ergo they're paid.
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I work for the Koch brothers, and I make $40K a year moling on DU and other sites.
Its a fun, work at home type of job. I work my regular job at a bank and come home ready to mess with liberals.
Just send your resume to evil.conservatives.rule.the.world@kochcontrol.com...They provide everything. Plug in, operate from any of a 1000 ISPs, and never pay the consequences.
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It is so easy to mole DU, the reason being, it is much easier for a civilized person to act like a barbarian, than it is for a barbarian to act civilized.
Ain't that the truth.
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I learned that from star trek. :-)
(http://images.wikia.com/startrek/images/8/88/Mirror_Mirror.jpg)
I knew I had heard that somewhere before... couldn't remember where though. Bad thing about it is that was one of my favorite episodes!
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I think there are a lot of right-wing trolls - some paid - some doing it for free - who post on this and other progressive forums all the time and they are causing serious damage (31 votes, 46%)
The only damage trolls do to liberal sites like DU is to shine the light of truth.
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Every time I read about moles, I think of Larry the Cable Guy. Is it just me???
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Every time I read about moles, I think of Larry the Cable Guy. Is it just me???
Perhaps. I myself think of Willie Garson (Moz on "White Collar")
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Perhaps. I myself think of Willie Garson (Moz on "White Collar")
That's a pretty decent show.
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I work for the Koch brothers, and I make $40K a year moling on DU and other sites.
Its a fun, work at home type of job. I work my regular job at a bank and come home ready to mess with liberals.
Just send your resume to evil.conservatives.rule.the.world@kochcontrol.com...They provide everything. Plug in, operate from any of a 1000 ISPs, and never pay the consequences.
I never knew I could get paid to mole.
Is it piece work?
Or salary?
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The problem with the primitives is they think anyone doing good works is paid, or should be paid.
Simply volunteering oneself, one's time, one's trouble, and sometimes one's expense to achieve something for the Greater Good of Humanity is a concept utterly outside the comprehension of a primitive.
<<utterly outside the comprehension of the primitives.
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I never knew I could get paid to mole.
Is it piece work?
Or salary?
Contract work....You'll get a 1099.... :-)
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Contract work....You'll get a 1099.... :-)
Sent to an unidentifiable/unknown person whom you deny the existence of.
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-27-11 12:16 PM
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1. I have to wonder when I see regulars here posting anti #OWS messages
The site of self professed free and independent thinkers is suspicious of people who do think like they do.
They don't even see their own hypocrisy.
The big tent covers all nationalities, colors, genders and sexualities as long as everyone holds the same view.
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Quote from: tanstaafl on November 27, 2011, 11:29:09 pm
I never knew I could get paid to mole.
Is it piece work?
Or salary?
Contract work....You'll get a 1099.... :-)
Well, then I'll just consider my several deep moles and the fiesty little "me, too!" mole a donation to the cause.
Unless I run into one of the Koch Brothers. Then I might hit them up for a cash tip.
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Every time I read about moles, I think of Larry the Cable Guy. Is it just me???
:rotf:
Not just you - fan here too!
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It's funny to see just how paranoia-inducing COINTELPRO is to them, just as Cloward-Piven and Alinsky are to some Conservatives. Both see the hand of their nemesis in every action of the other side.
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We get paid? WHERE'S MY DAMN MONEY!!!!!!?????? :mad:
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:rotf:
Not just you - fan here too!
Phew! Thought I was the only one! :cheersmate:
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I cannot believe anyone would work as a part time contractor for the Kochs, when you can get a full time piecework rate from the Scaifes.
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The site of self professed free and independent thinkers is suspicious of people who do think like they do.
They don't even see their own hypocrisy.
The big tent covers all nationalities, colors, genders and sexualities as long as everyone holds the same view.
Well, what gets me is how the smartest people on the internet are so stupid, when trying to detect moles in their midst.
I'm not talking trolls here; trolls exist to disrupt.
I'm talking moles, which exist to infiltrate and collect information, such as franksolich's mole.
Moles of course have to "blend" in among the tribes, the clans.
But the primitives think that once one of us is on Skins's island, we act as we are here, and in real life, and betray our real persons, our real values, and so generally go after the "sort of conservative" primitives, thinking they're moles.
Far better served would the primitives be, if they went after the far-left primitives.
No way in hell does franksolich's mole on Skins's island in the least resemble franksolich in real life, and here.
franksolich's mole is the complete opposite of franksolich, commenting the usual and standard primitive talking points--"I hate America," "I hate God," "I hate my family," "I think I deserve to be supported by others," "I love kllling infants," ad nauseam.
A mole blends in with the lynch mob, doesn't stand out.
I dunno why the smartest people on the internet--and the elmers are just as stupid--haven't figured this out.