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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Carl on November 23, 2011, 09:37:20 AM
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-23-11 10:34 AM
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Climategate 2.0: Fresh trove of embarrassing emails
'All our models are wrong', writes Jones
There was always an element of tragedy in the first “Climategate†emails, as scientists were under pressure to tell a story that the physical evidence couldn’t support – and that the scientists were reluctant to acknowledge in public. The new email archive, already dubbed “Climategate 2.0â€, is much larger than the first, and provides an abundance of context for those earlier changes.
“I can’t overstate the HUGE amount of political interest in the project as a message that the Government can give on climate change to help them tell their story,†a civil servant wrote to Phil Jones in 2009. “They want the story to be a very strong one and don’t want to be made to look foolish.â€
Having elevated global warming to the most dramatic, urgent and over-riding issue of the day, bureaucrats, NGOs, politicians and funding agencies demanded that the scientists must keep the whole bandwagon rolling. It had become too big to stop.
“The science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run,†laments one scientist, Peter Thorne. While Professor Jagadish Shukla, a lead IPCC author, IGES founder, and one of the most senior climate experts writes that, “It is inconceivable that policymakers will be willing to make billion-and trillion-dollar decisions for adaptation to the projected regional climate change based on models that do not even describe and simulate the processes that are the building blocks of climate variability.â€
With the release of FOIA2011.zip, the cat’s now well and truly out of the bag.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/23/climategate_2_f...
How long will this one last? :rotf:
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Big Government has spent over $20 billion supporting scientists that are on the side of global taxin...er warming. Big Oil and other industries have spent about $15 million supporting real scientists that have rationally proved AGW is a con game.
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sharp_stick (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-23-11 10:46 AM
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1. Give me thousands of emails
on a topic, any topic, from a single group and I will be just as successful at ferreting out an out of context piece of shit line from those emails as any of the ****ing tools doing it with this pile of emails.
Far too many assholes with computers and free time these days.
A swipe at leftist folk heroes Ass-mange and diki-leaks ensues:
FarCenter (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-23-11 10:50 AM
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2. The free flow of anonymously posted information is a bitch.
Well-played, sir. Well-played.
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sharp_stick (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-23-11 10:46 AM
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1. Give me thousands of emails
on a topic, any topic, from a single group and I will be just as successful at ferreting out an out of context piece of shit line from those emails as any of the ****ing tools doing it with this pile of emails.
Far too many assholes with computers and free time these days.
sounds like dull stick is describing the entire population at DU
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This is very interesting; honest observers have known from the git-go that the models were totally inadequate to produce reliable predictions, and omitted all sorts of obviously-relevant factors such as the effect of increased planetary albedo from increased cloud cover. This de facto admission that the books were cooked for even the basic calculations calls the whole process into even more question than it was already.
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This is very interesting; honest observers have known from the git-go that the models were totally inadequate to produce reliable predictions, and omitted all sorts of obviously-relevant factors such as the effect of increased planetary albedo from increased cloud cover. This de facto admission that the books were cooked for even the basic calculations calls the whole process into even more question than it was already.
Most in the science community (privately) knew that all along......
The amazing part of the piece is the acknowledgement that political pressure drove the science, not the actual research.
Of course, I've been on my soapbox about this for years......repeatable results and provable facts drive a scientific conclusion, not political interests. Following the scientific method doesn't equate to global income redistribution unfortunately.
Not that this will stop them from trying.......or moving on to the next "global crisis".
doc
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saras (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-23-11 11:54 AM
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9. As I posted in another troll thread...
"Climategate", as a whole, can be summarized as such - global warming was so important, and happening so fast, that scientists were publishing every study, even ones with really wide error margins, in the hope that other scientists could use some of the data in spite of this.
At some point they discovered that the climate deniers were cherry-picking all the studies with wide error margins, and asserting that "the truth" was way over in the extreme of one error margin.
In response to this, they quit publishing inferior studies.
End of story.
As if the assertion of a DUmbass means anything. :loser:
fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-23-11 12:06 PM
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10. the effort to create distrust of science
is all too transparent...
yardwork (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-23-11 12:47 PM
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14. This is false propaganda. There is no question about global warming.
Sorry,that ship for turning the world socialist has sailed.
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-23-11 12:47 PM
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14. This is false propaganda. There is no question about global warming.
There is much that is left open to debate, that the left refuses to admit or even consider. What about the little ice age that occurred several hundred years ago? What about the medieval warming period? Even if there is any global warming, there is a great doubt as to how much is caused by human activity.
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lalalalalala I can't hear you lalalalalalalalal
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This is very interesting; honest observers have known from the git-go that the models were totally inadequate to produce reliable predictions, and omitted all sorts of obviously-relevant factors such as the effect of increased planetary albedo from increased cloud cover. This de facto admission that the books were cooked for even the basic calculations calls the whole process into even more question than it was already.
The bullshit computer models have:
1. Not predicted the future.
2. Not been able to regress the past.
3. Outlandish lies have been put forth as science only to be proven wrong by reality.
4. Not had their code presented for peer review.
5. Been proven wrong at every instance.
6. Been shown to produce warmer outputs no matter what the inputs is.
7. Have cost the world's economy trillions of dollars in waste.
8. Mad a very few select con-men very rich.
9. Retarded the overall human condition.
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Scientists find herd of 'lost' caribou in Saskatchewan
A vast herd of northern caribou that scientists feared had vanished from the face of the Earth has been found, safe and sound -- pretty much where aboriginal elders said it would be all along.
Those scientists were shaken by a 2009 survey on the traditional calving grounds of the Beverly herd, which ranges over a huge swath of tundra from northern Saskatchewan to the Arctic coast. A herd that once numbered 276,000 animals seemed to have completely disappeared, the most dramatic and chilling example of a general decline in barren-ground caribou.
It turns out that the Beverly herd has simply shifted its calving grounds north from the central barrens near Baker Lake, Nunavut, to the coastal regions around Queen Maud Gulf. Nagy's analysis of radio-tracking data showed caribou in the region once thought to belong to the Ahiak herd are, in fact, Beverly animals.
CTV News (http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20111120/herd-of-saskatchewan-caribou-located-111120/#ixzz1eZDRTtiu)
Guess what they blamed the "disappearance" on in 2009. Go ahead.
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CTV News (http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20111120/herd-of-saskatchewan-caribou-located-111120/#ixzz1eZDRTtiu)
Guess what they blamed the "disappearance" on in 2009. Go ahead.
I'll bite.
Could it have been...:
CLIMATE CHANGE! (previously known as "Global Warming")
Baring that, then it would have to be: "It's All Bush's Faulttm!"