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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dandi on November 22, 2011, 10:13:47 AM
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Their sudden affection for unborn children, like their newly discovered respect for veterans, is quite touching.
Bennyboy (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:02 PM
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Seattle Occupy pepper sprayed pregnant woman miscarries
Edited on Mon Nov-21-11 09:26 PM by Bennyboy
One of Occupy Seattle's outspoken activists who blogs under the name Ian Awesome has a post up this afternoon about the pregnant woman who was hit in last Tuesday's pepper spray attack by Seattle police:
On the 20th, Jeniffer Fox received news that she has miscarried, and alleges the miscarriage is due to the injuries she received during the police action on the 15th.
"It hurts. It's upsetting. I was ready to have a kid, because my family was going to support me in taking care of the child. Her name was going to be Miracle."
UPDATE: Fox, 19, spoke to The Stranger at the Occupy Seattle encampment at Seattle Central Community College.
Fox was three months pregnant last Tuesday evening when she joined an Occupy Seattle march that stopped at the intersection of 5th Avenue and Pine Street. "I was standing in the middle of the crowd when the police started moving in," she says. "I was screaming, 'I am pregnant, I am pregnant. Let me through. I am trying to get out.'" At that point, Fox continues, a Seattle police officer lifted his foot and it hit her in the stomach, and another officer pushed his bicycle into the crowd, again hitting Fox in the stomach. "Right before I turned, both cops lifted their pepper spray and sprayed me. My eyes puffed up and my eyes swelled shut," she says.
Fox asked for medical attention—the now-famous photo by Josh Trujillo of her being carried to the ambulance is here—and was rushed to Harborview Medical Center, she says, where doctors performed an ultrasound and said that they "didn't see anything wrong with the baby at the time." Fox says she had also seen a physician at Harborview for prenatal care about five week before.
"Everything was going okay until yesterday, when I started getting sick, cramps started, and I felt like I was going to pass out," Fox says.
A friend called for an ambulance near the community college campus. (Fox says she has been camping with Occupy Seattle since it first began in Westlake Park. She is homeless and says, "I don't have a place. This is the place I call home.") When she arrived at Harborview at 11:00 a.m., she says, a doctor told her that "there was no heartbeat" from the baby. "They diagnosed that I was having a miscarriage. They said the damage was from the kick and that the pepper spray got to it, too."
As for joining the protests, she says, "I was worried about it, but I didn't know it would be this bad. I didn't know that a cop would murder a baby that's not born yet... I am trying to get lawyers."
I asked Fox if she had any medical records that confirm the miscarriage or that the clash with police officers caused it. She did not have copies but says she has asked her case worker at Harboview to provide her with records. Harboview officials say they cannot provide any information, of course, except that medical records would mention those details. The Seattle Police Department did not immedately respond to request for comment.
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/11/21/pr...
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2359626
Let me preface this post by first saying that IF any of this is true and the mother lost her unborn child, I am truly sorry. I know how devastating a miscarriage can be. I'm sorry, though, mainly for the child, a little less for the woman who so callously disregarded the safety of that child in order to indulge her own petty conceits.
I stress the "IF" because I've never met a moonbat of this woman's ilk who was averse to exaggeration, embellishment, or bald-face lying of the kind we chroniclers of the absurd witness here daily in the musings of DUers.
Being a man, I may be speaking out of school here, and the mothers of CC can correct me if I am, but when a woman is pregnant, isn't her highest priority in life to PROTECT THE NEW, GROWING LIFE INSIDE HER? That is, any mother who feels a shred of responsibility to that new life?
The idea from DU is that a "victim" never, ever, under any circumstances bears any responsibility for their own plight (unless of course it is a conservative victim). I say that is unmitigated bullshit. You can't walk through life with your head in the clouds expecting everyone around you to look out for your best interests. You don't walk through a bad neighborhood at night with your pockets stuffed full of cash. You don't cross the street when the "WALK" sign comes on without still taking a moment to look both ways. You don't call the 300lb. biker goon on the barstool next to you an asshole and expect him to respond with a witty insult.
And you for damn sure don't take your pregnant body to a protest where you know there's going to be civil disobedience and the provocation of police action and put yourself on the front line where that action will be concentrated. In the crush of such a lawless mob the police cannot be expected to discriminate the condition and intent of every single individual within it and form a customized game plan in dealing with each of those individuals. The mob must be dealt with as a mob. Common sense tells most people that, but common sense is in short supply among the witless fools of the Left.
I would also note that there is no scientific evidence that capsaicin, an extract of hot peppers that is the active ingredient in pepper spray, has a systemic effect on fetuses. Many pregnant women eat hot peppers and use capsaicin-containing creams for joint pain without any harmful effects on their pregnancy, which leads me to believe that the statement about physician telling her that, "the pepper spray got to it, too" is bullshit.
The stench of hypocrisy and mindless, unreasoned hate is so thick I can only bear to copy and paste a few responses, reflective of pretty much the whole thread:
NYC_SKP DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:03 PM
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1. Her name was going to be "Miracle"...
:cry:
Fifty million miracles have been ripped from the womb in the name of "choice". Please, just stop it.
roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Nov-21-11 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #1
19. i could just die from hearing this. The first fascist army casualty
is an infant.
Miracle
oh god!!!!!!
Oh, now it's an "infant" when it suits your purpose. You should cry out to God for mercy on your soul.
Quartermass (93 posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:03 PM
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2. Well, there's a lawsuit. I hope she wins. Good luck to her.
Yes, it's always about the lawsuit, isn't it?
Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:06 PM
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4. If she had gone skydiving or any other myriad of potentially dangerous activities...
... the fault would lie with her.
She knowingly placed herself in a potentially dangerous situation and needs to accept a portion of the blame.
On a related note, my BS meter is seriously pinging. Maybe I am too cynical..
The only person in the thread who halfway gets it. Of course, he's hammered unmercifully for it.
Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. I see
forget it. delete. I can't respond to this post in a sane way.
So basically, your response to this would be no different than your response to anything else.
The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Nov-21-11 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. People protest all the time in the US, have been for years, mostly without violence
Statistics wise - union protests, mom's protesting school board decisions, etc and so on.
Most people don't expect violence at such thing, at worse they expect they could get arrested.
hell, my mom protested at York Town middle/high school when I was a kid and I was with her. Nothing major happened.
In CA I saw many protests by unions (and my X father-in-law was a union vp and went to many protests) at grocery stores - no incidents.
Possibly, but those protests were also probably carried out in a reasonable and lawful manner, not done solely for the purpose of eliciting a forceful response like OWS idiots calculate theirs to do.
sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #22
46. There has been no violence from the protests, until the cops
get there. They are dangerous to the health and well-being of the American people, as has been clearly demonstrated by the number of brutal attacks on all kinds of peaceful protesters.
At this point, it is way past time for someone to step in and start prosecuting these criminals who clearly do not belong on our streets and start protecting the public from them.
Right, and there's usually no violence from a bank robbery until the cops get there. Or a drug deal. Or any other lawbreaking that is "calm" until the cops show up to enforce the law. Hell, why don't we just get rid of cops altogether. I'm sure it would cut down on a lot of violence. :mental:
Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #13
21. There is theory and there is reality...
The reality is that bad things can happen in big mobs of people either through their actions or through the actions of an outside group.
Anyone with a TV or a common sense would realize that.
There you go with that "common sense" thing again. Don't you know where you are?
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. Reality is bad things can happen anywhere. In a crowd. In a restaurant. In a car. Crossing the stree
street.
Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #25
30. Um... yes?
Does that mean its smart to stick your hand in a bucket of piranha just because bad things can happen anywhere else?
It is about the likelihood of the bad thing happening and her responsibility to reasonably reduce risks for the child she is carrying.
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #15
38. I do not expect the AP to cover this
Reuters, nope, and so it goes.
They should but somehow this is a non story.
If this happened at a Tea Party Rally, they'd be jockeying for an interview... then again do you remember any police actions at a local tea party rally? Me neither.
Umm, police in riot gear have show up at Tea Party protests. Strangely though, they never had to take the actions they do at OWS protests. I wonder why that is.
roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-22-11 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #58
113. her shouting that she was pregnant and trying to flee problems
and the police ignoring her makes the police the sole individuals culpable here. They were TOLD. She was moving AWAY. they attacked her and hit her where they KNEW her baby was, her belly. THEY KNEW SHE WAS PREGNANT AND ATTACKED HER BABY! Does anyone else get this? THey focused on her baby when she said she was pregnant and they HEARD HER.
Murder. Period. She had a RIGHT to be there. they chose to KILL HER BABY when she IDENTIFIED herself pregnant. That is not HER fault. It is THEIRS. You need to examine your bs meter. It has holes in it.
And you know that they knew, how?
lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #45
62. Thanks for shooting #4's stupid argument down in flames.
I figured the poster is a male who has limited knowledge of women and their abilities, let alone anything about pregnancies.
Their abilities? I'm able to jump off the roof of my house. Doesn't mean it's a good idea, though.
LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #4
89. Sort of like if you were to spout that opinion in front of any woman, ever?
You'd be knowingly placing yourself in a potentially dangerous situation, and would need to accept a portion of the blame for the inevitable knee in the junk, right?
Oh wait, it's only women who need to keep their opinions quiet for fear of violence. **** YOU. AND I REPEAT FOR EMPHASIS: ****. YOU.
roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-22-11 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #5
114. POOR SWEET BABY! LOOK AT HER IN PAIN! I HATE THIS COUNTRY SOME TIMES!
The movement is going to save our lives. THat baby was PRECIOUS! That baby was LOVED BY HER MAMA! WHAT THE **** PART OF THAT DOES THAT PERSON NOT UNDERSTAND!?
Miracle. What a lovely name.
50,000,000. You're revolting.
krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #28
36. That's why Republicans want to chain women to the stove
For their own protection, you see.
And if this uppity women wasn't goin' around gettin' all ed-ja-ma-cated, then this wouldn't be an issue, now would it???
*scratches crotch*
FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:31 PM
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29. just. no. words
:( She wasn't out on the edges stirring shit up, she was in the middle of the crowd, and was probably not expecting it to get violent.
She announced she was pregnant, did they NOT hear her? not care? how DARE they! ugh...i'm going to go cuss somewhere else now...
sending her love and light and prayers, hope her health is okay after all that. sometimes miscarriages can cause permanent damage as well. poor girl...
If she had been "out on the edges" this probably wouldn't have even happened to her. Instead she placed herself right in the center of things. And don't tell me she couldn't have seen the police coming or told by the reaction of the crowd what they were doing. She chose to put herself in a stupid position and her child died from it. It was the height of reckless disregard on her part. All so she could be a part of the "in" crowd, showing their asses.
sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #40
50. She was kicked in the stomach. That is not the same as
miscarriage. Someone took her choice away from her. If this story is true, this is a crime. And let's see how consistent the rightwing 'pro-life' crowd about this. They should, considering what they say they believe, be calling for the arrest of this officer.
My consistency is that I mourn for the loss of this child. My consistency is that I hold the woman responsible for endangering it. My consistency is that I doubt she was "kicked in the stomach". My consistency is that I think you are a blithering idiot. Any questions?
And so on it goes, with lots of deleted posts.
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"It hurts. It's upsetting. I was ready to have a kid, because my family was going to support me in taking care of the child. Her name was going to be Miracle."
:thatsright:
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Pretzels have nothing on the DUmp and clumps of cells.
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Fox was three months pregnant last Tuesday evening when she joined an Occupy Seattle march that stopped at the intersection of 5th Avenue and Pine Street. "I was standing in the middle of the crowd when the police started moving in," she says. "I was screaming, 'I am pregnant, I am pregnant. Let me through. I am trying to get out.'"
A reasonable person would not have put herself and unborn child in a dangerous situation .
Quartermass (93 posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:03 PM
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2. Well, there's a lawsuit. I hope she wins. Good luck to her.
I hope she loses and is charged with willful neglect and child endangerment.
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**** her. She got her abortion for free.
[/DUmpmonkie mode]
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Without verification of the medical records I would have to regard the entire thing as a fabrication, and even if there was a miscarriage, I would not believe the interaction with the police ever really occurred without video. This is too much like an inner city bus accident where it turns out that two hundred local residents and drifters file claims for neck injuries they got when the bus carrying fifteen people hit a parked car.
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I would like to see a drug test of this woman before forming an educated opinion!
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They said ... that the pepper spray got to it, too."
That's some serious marksmanship.
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At three months, there would have been no way for a casual observer to see that she was pregnant. The cops certainly wouldn't have known, so they treated her as they would any other protestor. I feel great sympathy for her on the loss of her child, but it seems to me that she was not taking the appropriate precautions to protect her child.
Also, it took a week for her to begin miscarrying. The ultrasound immediately after the event showed not issues with the baby. Miscarriages are unfortunately very common, especially in the first three months. The fact that she was homeless may well have contributed just as much to miscarriage as the protest, or it could have just been a fluke of nature. Really, there is no way to tell.
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:bs: :bs: :bs:
I would love to see the proof that the supposed incident caused the miscarriage and not the countless pathogens that she exposed the fetus to while camping in that cesspool.
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19, homeless, pregnant and no mention of a father/husband but her family was going to support her...uh huh, sure they are/were...y'all do realize that means you were going to have another mouth to feed, educate, provide healthcare for it and mother, right?
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NYC_SKP DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:03 PM
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1. Her name was going to be "Miracle"...
:cry:
"Her"? I thought it was a lump of cells?
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Miracle...might be OK for a girls name, BUT...what if it was a BOY?????
I also call BS on this story...
Sorry I don't know one woman that names her baby at 3 months into the pregnancy.
Thinking about names yes, settling on one...no....
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Fox asked for medical attention—the now-famous photo by Josh Trujillo of her being carried to the ambulance is here—and was rushed to Harborview Medical Center, she says, where doctors performed an ultrasound and said that they "didn't see anything wrong with the baby at the time." Fox says she had also seen a physician at Harborview for prenatal care about five week before.
Looks like she was running a little late for her prenatal check ups....I know it has been awhile since I had my last baby, but I had MONTHLY checkups....last I recall a month was four weeks.
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This little snippet got my attention:
*scratches crotch*
Tha's because, wothless krispy primitive, you got crabs at the Occupy protests!
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"It hurts. It's upsetting. I was ready to have a kid, because my family was going to support me in taking care of the child. Her name was going to be Miracle."
These hypocrites make me sick. If this woman had walked into an abortion clinic the very same day it would have been a woman's health issue and no big deal, now it's an infant.
Also this girl claims she was "ready" to have a KID. If she were truly ready she wouldn't have been out in this cluster **** of a protest. She would have thought about her child FIRST.
Oh another thing, the pepper spray couldn't have "gotten in there" you idiot.
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And another thing, naming your child "Miracle" is handicapping your child before they are even born. What is it with parents naming their child stupid ass names?
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Fox says she has been camping with Occupy Seattle since it first began in Westlake Park. She is homeless and says, "I don't have a place. This is the place I call home."
It hurts. It's upsetting. I was ready to have a kid, because my family was going to support me in taking care of the child.
Homeless, but her family was going to support her in taking care of the kid.
Something doesn't add up.
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I know others have said this, but it is amazing that all of a sudden a clump of cells is being referred to as an infant. I guess the distinction is that clump of cells was wanted. :mental:
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I know others have said this, but it is amazing that all of a sudden a clump of cells is being referred to as an infant. I guess the distinction is that clump of cells was wanted useful as a political bludgeon and money making opportunity for the DUmbass "mother". :mental:
Fixt 'er for ya, Freep. :II:
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I know others have said this, but it is amazing that all of a sudden a clump of cells is being referred to as an infant. I guess the distinction is that clump of cells was wanted. :mental:
They're tripping all over themselves on the island. She wanted the baby, therefore it was a human and the loss of life was murder. However, if she had decided the next day she didn't want the baby, then it was a clump of cells and her choice.
They try to make the argument that a child is only a life if the mother makes the claim that it's a life. That's completely illogical. It's either a life or it's not, the opinion of the mother on the matter is not a determining factor.
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UPDATE: Fox, 19, spoke to The Stranger at the Occupy Seattle encampment at Seattle Central Community College.
Fox was three months pregnant last Tuesday evening when she joined an Occupy Seattle march that stopped at the intersection of 5th Avenue and Pine Street. "I was standing in the middle of the crowd when the police started moving in," she says. "I was screaming, 'I am pregnant, I am pregnant. Let me through. I am trying to get out.'" At that point, Fox continues, a Seattle police officer lifted his foot and it hit her in the stomach, and another officer pushed his bicycle into the crowd, again hitting Fox in the stomach. "Right before I turned, both cops lifted their pepper spray and sprayed me. My eyes puffed up and my eyes swelled shut," she says.
Fox asked for medical attention—the now-famous photo by Josh Trujillo of her being carried to the ambulance is here—and was rushed to Harborview Medical Center, she says, where doctors performed an ultrasound and said that they "didn't see anything wrong with the baby at the time." Fox says she had also seen a physician at Harborview for prenatal care about five week before.
"Everything was going okay until yesterday, when I started getting sick, cramps started, and I felt like I was going to pass out," Fox says.
A friend called for an ambulance near the community college campus. (Fox says she has been camping with Occupy Seattle since it first began in Westlake Park. She is homeless and says, "I don't have a place. This is the place I call home.")
While I am terribly sorry that this child has died and if there is a case to be made for abuse then it should be looked into one also has to understand this is the face of what a useless liberal is.
She is in her teens,pregnant yet homeless and making her life as part of a street circus.
There is no evidence of responsibility,no doubt every aspect of her pregnancy would be paid for by working citizens and she has no remorse for that.
Even though a sad situation this is who they are as people.
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Miracle huh? I am sorry but that sets off my BS alarms. It is either a very self serving name she picked after the miscarriage OR she has a history of failed pregnancies.
Also why would a cop with a batton just out of the blue decide to kick anyone in the stomach much less a woman and even much less someone trying to get away and not engage the cops? We do chest kicks in Krav maga class but they are NEVER our first choice in a brawl especially if we manage to have something in our hands to hit people with. I have no police training so really I do not know. Just speculating.
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Miracle huh? I am sorry but that sets off my BS alarms. It is either a very self serving name she picked after the miscarriage OR she has a history of failed pregnancies.
This was my first thought before I read about the girl's age or homelessness. Anyway, a name like that doesn't come without a reason.
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This was my first thought before I read about the girl's age or homelessness. Anyway, a name like that doesn't come without a reason.
Yes but that raised more questions. Why would a 19 year old girl with a family even be homeless? is she mentally unstable? Was there abuse that lead to prior pregnancy? Is she a drug addict with so many toxins in her that a child would not have the best chance of making it anyway? Or is she just a spoiled child that no one could deal with and decided a baby would qualify her government programs including a place to stay or to guilt trip family to take her in?
We may never get the whole story on her. The OWS' and their supporters in the MSM just want this little bit of her story out there. The whole story would not be helpful.
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If this is true, she was an unfit mother. If she does carry a kid to term, she would only use her kid as a human shield in some other time and place.
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I don't understand. I was pregnant (and married) at 19. As soon as I found out I was pregnant, I stopped smoking. I started exercising. I ate fruits and veggies! I would never have thought of joining a protest, or even going out for an evening to a "bad" part of town.
Several years later, I was pregnant during Mardi Gras in New Orleans. I went to the day parades on the West Bank that are family friendly. I did not go to any of the drive thru daiquiri shops or go to the French Quarter.
If this girl was really ready to be a Mom, she would have taken every precaution to protect the innocent.
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I can't believe anyone takes this hippie slut at her word.
The probability this whiny effort at cooking up a lawsuit is true is approximately zero.
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Dandi, you wrote:
Being a man, I may be speaking out of school here, and the mothers of CC can correct me if I am, but when a woman is pregnant, isn't her highest priority in life to PROTECT THE NEW, GROWING LIFE INSIDE HER? That is, any mother who feels a shred of responsibility to that new life?
You're darn tootin'! If this moron had had two brain cells to rub together, she'd had realized the middle of a dirty, stinking, raving hippie mob was the absolute last place on earth she should have been hanging out.
But of course she's trying to cash in on the poor baby's misfortune, just like a good little commie. After all, the miscarriage can't possibly be her fault.
Wonder if she's engaged the services of Gloria Allred yet. That bitch gets around more than your average streetwalker.:fuelfire:
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-22-11 09:36 PM
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Inconsistencies found in protestor 'miscarriage'
I've been searching for more info on this story and just found this. I'll keep looking over the next week and post what I find.
IF she miscarried, I am very sorry for her.
IF she lied, I am also very sorry for her.
http://mynorthwest.com/11/582322/Inconsistencies-found-...
A woman who told police she was three months pregnant after she was pepper sprayed at an Occupy Seattle march this month, told police she was three months pregnant in September when facing arrest.
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KIRO Radio first obtained the police report from Sept. 22, 2011. Seattle police had responded to a vacant building located in 1250 Denny Way where a security officer reported five squatters. One of those people, according to police sources, was 19-year-old Jennifer Fox.
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According to the report, Fox told an officer she was three months pregnant and began crying when arrested. "(Fox) began holding her stomach and was screaming when she was arrested," read the report. (Fox) was treated at the scene and transported to HMC."
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Fox's former foster mother, Lark Stebbins, told the Seattle Times Fox is a "compulsive liar" and a "wannabe drama queen."
Link to police report
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2366410
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Without verification of the medical records I would have to regard the entire thing as a fabrication, and even if there was a miscarriage, I would not believe the interaction with the police ever really occurred without video. This is too much like an inner city bus accident where it turns out that two hundred local residents and drifters file claims for neck injuries they got when the bus carrying fifteen people hit a parked car.
Yeah. That.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2366410
Im impressed a primitive actually posted this, and more impressed it hasn't been deleted. I figure by this time tomorrow, she will be labeled a rethug plant.
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Fox's former foster mother, Lark Stebbins, told the Seattle Times Fox is a "compulsive liar" and a "wannabe drama queen."
Sounds about right.
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According to the report, Fox told an officer she was three months pregnant and began crying when arrested. "(Fox) began holding her stomach and was screaming when she was arrested," read the report. (Fox) was treated at the scene and transported to HMC."
It could possibly be the strange company I keep, but women I have known in their first pregnancy - my wife's included - don't track the gestation by MONTHS, but rather, when asked how far along they are, will report how many WEEKS they've completed, or alternately, how many weeks remain to the projected due date.
There are any number of ways this dimbulb's story doesn't pass the smell test.
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It could possibly be the strange company I keep, but women I have known in their first pregnancy - my wife's included - don't track the gestation by MONTHS, but rather, when asked how far along they are, will report how many WEEKS they've completed, or alternately, how many weeks remain to the projected due date.
There are any number of ways this dimbulb's story doesn't pass the smell test.
Same here. I was always X weeks pregnant if anyone asked how far along I was.
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She must of seen her picture from her first arrest in September and noted that she looked pregnant so she decided to play the part.
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Bet anything the dumb twat just started her period. I have a hard time even remotely believing that the pregnancy existed in the first place.
And as far as the pepper spray causing an miscarriage? Unless she is regularly douching with it that is pure :bs:
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...And as far as the pepper spray causing an miscarriage? Unless she is regularly douching with it that is pure :bs:
Well, considering some of the syphilitic asswipes she had to have been sleeping with as an OWieS, a pepper spray douche is probably the only way to be sure...
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Well, considering some of the syphilitic asswipes she had to have been sleeping with as an OWieS, a pepper spray douche is probably the only way to be sure...
Hell it was probably the safest thing that has been up there. :runaway:
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Was just looking at the Seattle times when I had this story brought to my attention following a little (didn't take much) research to formulate my opinion on this subject;
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016829484_occupybaby23m.html
I say she's a lying, homeless skeaze, but I should reserve judgment. Show the medical reports, babe.
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I don't believe this lying skank for one minute. The fact that some DUmmies can call this murder while they are OK with sticking a make-shift knitting needle into the skull of a near full-term baby whilst calling it a clump of cells makes me want to puke. And that coming from a person that considers abortion acceptable in the event of rape or incest.
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Add to that the fact that she claimed that she knew the sex of the child (female) at 10 weeks yet any competent medical authority won't know until amino is done at 16 weeks or ultrasound at 18-20 weeks?
Yah...lying.
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In an interview Tuesday at the Occupy Seattle encampment on Capitol Hill, Fox said she had three ultrasound pictures of her fetus in her tent, but declined to show them to reporters.
She also said she did not plan to pick up medical records at Harborview Medical Center that could document the miscarriage until after a planned memorial service Saturday, and she declined to sign a waiver allowing reporters to obtain the documents independently. She said the baby was a girl, to be named Miracle.
"I have some stuff to do today," said Fox, who described herself as a homeless former foster child. "I have to get some stuff done."
Seattle Times (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016829484_occupybaby23m.html) :mental:
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Wow. That unravled pretty quickly. I would say the media was finally doing their job but they were supposed to check her story out BEFORE rushing out to spread it.
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And another thing, naming your child "Miracle" is handicapping your child before they are even born. What is it with parents naming their child stupid ass names?
That baby probably never realized how close she came to a life on a stripper pole with that name and that idiot for a mother! God rest her soul.
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Devils advocate, Some one has to defend this woman so I will try with reluctance.
Not unusual for a pregnant woman to continue to spot for a few months into the pregnancy.Perhaps the spotting causes the woman to believe they are not pregnant. 4 months later they get the news.
Cases on record show some woman are tested for a tumor and found to be pregnant. How and why, the woman is on birth controll or has an IUD, baby's have been born with the IUD wrapped about their leg or in one case we saw in Life Magazine in the fist of the baby.
This teenager however knew she was pregnant, was this her first and as someone mentioned not showing at the time??
Pregnancy is not only strange to men but a first time mother especially a teenager even stranger.
It really does not sink into the mind of most woman that there is an alien growing in their body until the baby begins to move about. Then the protective mode may or may not kick in.
Woman can reproduce children of their sex or the mystery of giving birth to a child of a total opposite sex, how does this work, a female gives birth to a male child?????
Much to wonder about, Science gives us explanations but it remains a, darn did I do this to the host mother.
So this female teenager, not showing may have just gone out with others her age to watch the action on the street. It may have only after she became scared and trying to get away that she remembered she was pregnant.
Same as a person with a bad heart will run to the scene of an accident and rescue people forgetting about their heart problem.
I had a 2 year old run into a counter top, raced him to the hospital, upset for the kid I was asked to come into the room to keep him calm. It was only at the door to the Ex-ray room I remembered I was 4 months pregnant. Not showing, no movement yet, I totally forgot about my pregnancy caught up in the drama of my living child.
This shit happens to grown adults with more then one child, to come down on a teenager that forgets or does not know they are pregnant just suspect, is not a subject that a male needs to criticise.
So this is my defence of the teenager, with reluctance I must say, but no male has the right to tell a woman not to holler when giving birth. How to feel as a pregnancy progresses or what the female should do or not do while producing another same or opposite sex child into the world.
Birth is a miracle, face it or not, we are all here because of that miracle as are our children. Difficult to look as an adult at the mother that that produced you and realise you came from her body. Miracle to realise you are on earth and started as a clump of tissues, incubated in the stomach of your Mother and was born a human, with a soul, and the ability love, hate, and count to 10.
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Devils advocate, Some one has to defend this woman so I will try with reluctance.
Not unusual for a pregnant woman to continue to spot for a few months into the pregnancy.Perhaps the spotting causes the woman to believe they are not pregnant. 4 months later they get the news.
You fail again.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/11/stunner-19-year-old-pregnant-occupy-seattle-woman-who-said-she-lost-baby-has-history-of-exaggerating/
Fox’s former foster mother, Lark Stebbins, said Fox called her from Harborview after one recent protest but did not mention she was pregnant.
Stebbins said Fox, whom she parented for 10 years, has a pattern of exaggeration. “My daughter is a compulsive liar,†Stebbins said. “She’s a wannabe drama queen.â€
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Devils advocate, Some one has to defend this woman so I will try with reluctance.
You've identified your client incorrectly, Counselor, she is too damned stupid to be a Devil.
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:thatsright:
Yeah, I justapositioned that against her homelessness...sounds like she finally won herself a ticket back home and now that's been taken away. Don't tell me you are shocked that someone other then herself was going to care for her and her baby. I mean seeing as she was doing such a bang up job of taking care of herself being homeless and all. :whatever: :banghead:
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Yeah, I justapositioned that against her homelessness...sounds like she finally won herself a ticket back home and now that's been taken away. Don't tell me you are shocked that someone other then herself was going to care for her and her baby. I mean seeing as she was doing such a bang up job of taking care of herself being homeless and all. :whatever: :banghead:
It doesn't say much for the work ethic or expectations of the OWS "movement" as a whole either.
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It doesn't say much for the work ethic or expectations of the OWS "movement" as a whole either.
(http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/lawrence/153/krebsbig.gif)
Me WERK??
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Even moreso after reading about that earlier squatting bust, I remain unconvinced that there ever was an actual pregnancy.
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(http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/lawrence/153/krebsbig.gif)
Me WERK??
That's what takes the Owies from peaceful protestors to violent mob..the word alone :lmao:
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Sorry, just had to throw this one in. :rofl:
(http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2011/11/20/uc-davis-police-pepper-spray-students.jpg)
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Sorry, just had to throw this one in. :rofl:
(http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2011/11/20/uc-davis-police-pepper-spray-students.jpg)
:lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf:
Coffee-spewing H5!
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This story gets more ridiculous by the day. :mental:
Police: 'Pregnant' Occupy protestor tried to lure children
When the mother confronted Fox, Fox stated she was a swimming coach in Bellevue and was offering the children lessons.
"Fox stated she had just returned from Greece where she had won every event she had entered in a swim meet," according to the report. The girls told their mother Fox had asked them to leave with her, and had offered them a ride if they came to Bellevue to swim with her.
MyNorthwest.com (http://mynorthwest.com/11/582967/Pregnant-Occupy-protestor-tried-to-lure-children)
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This story gets more ridiculous by the day. :mental:
MyNorthwest.com (http://mynorthwest.com/11/582967/Pregnant-Occupy-protestor-tried-to-lure-children)
They are lucky that the miscarriage story didn't get more attention from the MSM before this came out. I'd put one of the LOL icons here if I didn't feel a little bit sorry for this screwed up girl and if I wasn't sickened by the way the OWS/DUmmies are exploiting her.
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This woman needs to get her head checked out ASAP. She may also need to be locked up in a padded room before she actually DOES lure a child/children to her, and possibly does something horrible.
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That's some serious marksmanship.
^5 :rofl:
Woman can reproduce children of their sex or the mystery of giving birth to a child of a total opposite sex, how does this work, a female gives birth to a male child?????
are you serious???
would you expect all boys be born from their fathers? :mental:
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Maybe this will help:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXH69LabyPw[/youtube]
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Wow. That unravled pretty quickly. I would say the media was finally doing their job but they were supposed to check her story out BEFORE rushing out to spread it.
The media WAS doing its self-appointed job, propping up the failed residency of Barack Soetero. Unfortunately for all the libtards, notably Ms. Fox and Mr. Zer0, they are utterly failing.
This bitch belongs in the Hall of Whoredom Shame with Tawana Brawley, Crystal Magnum and Anita Hill, among others.
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THEY KNEW SHE WAS PREGNANT AND ATTACKED HER BABY! Does anyone else get this? THey focused on her baby when she said she was pregnant and they HEARD HER.
Murder. Period. She had a RIGHT to be there. they chose to KILL HER BABY when she IDENTIFIED herself pregnant. That is not HER fault. It is THEIRS. You need to examine your bs meter. It has holes in it.
Does this mean that every doctor who performs an abortion is a murderer?
1) They know the woman is pregnant
2) They take deliberate action to kill the baby
Following this logic, every woman who HAS an abortion is an accessory to murder or has hired a hitman.
1) They know the victim is a human
2) They want it dead
3) They pay someone to kill the victim
You can't have it both ways, DUmmies
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Justin Bieber was the father.
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Seattle Protester Who Claimed She Miscarried After Being Pepper-Sprayed Also Claims to Have Won 48 Swimming Gold Medals
Posted by Jammie on Nov 26, 2011 at 7:47 pm
jenniferfox
A lot of lefty blogs and even the Washington Post ran with this tale earlier in the week. It also garnered international headlines. Yet oddly, they don’t see to have any follow-up.
I wonder why? ...
http://www.jammiewf.com/2011/seattle-protester-who-claimed-she-miscarried-after-being-pepper-sprayed-also-claims-to-have-won-48-swimming-gold-medals/
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Maybe this will help:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXH69LabyPw[/youtube]
God i love that movie! :lmao: