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never cry wolf (1000+ posts)
Fri May-02-08 10:08 PM
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Basic Training... My son joined the Army reserves, how can he get out? Advice needed...
My son just finished basic training at Ft. Jackson, S.C.... I tried to talk hom out of it before he went bur he went anyway... he was offered a $20k bonus but took half that in exchange for a 2 year deferment from being sent overseas.......
he has now finished basic and wants out asap..... his AIT (next training) was to be a paralegal.....
he is contemplating filing papers to ty to get out which if he does will take 4 months and result in a dishonorable discharge or he can go awol and result in the same determination???? and will result in a dishonorable discharge.....
my own council is for him stick it out.... but he is determined to leave the service...
anyone know a way out of the reserves? He is thinking of basically going awol... what are the downsides?
I tried to warn him but he is 22 years old...
thx for any and all help
My advice: Tell you son to suck it up. He's a full grown adult who made a commitment and should follow through with it. Of course posters at DU don't see it like that:
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-02-08 10:11 PM
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1. AWOL.... if he does that
he MIGHT face court martial, prison and a Dishonorable, which will make his life hell
In fact, a dishonorable will make his life hell
Stick it out... though he MIGHT try conscientous objector and good luck
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35. Say that he's gay.
That'll get him kicked out for sure. I'll leave my rant against "Don't ask, don't tell, just discharge" for another day.
and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-02-08 11:25 PM
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39. Tell'em he is a Gay Atheist....
he will be removed in less than 24hrs.
phillysuse Donating Member (452 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-02-08 11:44 PM
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42. Time to explore his sexuality
Edited on Fri May-02-08 11:45 PM by phillysuse
It's still Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
He should shout it from the rooftops, write letters to the newspapers.
I'm GAY and I'm in the ARMY.
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WTF?
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I just saw that one and was in the process of bringing it over, this needs to get forwarded to a recruiter. :censored:
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Boot camp at Ft. Jackson and he's ready to quit. ....and he was going to be a paralegal. ....that right there should be reason enough to give him an Undesireable and send him on his way in my book........after he pays back the $10,000 enlistment bonus.
I think some of them are thinking about the good old days with the "tell them you're gay" thing. 40+ years ago that would get one an Undesireable Discharge and out of the service so fast you'd think Scotty had beamed them up. I don't think it works that well now.
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Boot camp at Ft. Jackson and he's ready to quit. ....and he was going to be a paralegal. ....that right there should be reason enough to give him an Undesireable and send him on his way in my book........after he pays back the $10,000 enlistment bonus.
I think some of them are thinking about the good old days with the "tell them you're gay" thing. 40+ years ago that would get one an Undesireable Discharge and out of the service so fast you'd think Scotty had beamed them up. I don't think it works that well now.
I don't think they give them the bonus until completion of AIT. Thats how it works in the AF at least. Would make sense that they do the same.
And the "I'm gay" thing doesn't really work anymore. Especially in a case of just coming outta Basic. The whole thing that gets me is that it's not that hard to get out of Basic. My wife got discharged twice while in Boot Camp (both times after 9/11), for pidly medical shit (not by her choice, by theirs). She told me they where bootin people left and right.
If he really wanted out that badly, he coulda found a way. I'm just guessin he's doing the standard "God boot sucked ass" bitchin to mom, and she's doing the typical DUmmie thing and stretching the story a good 3 miles.
Edit: And I get a kick out of her screen name...
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We court-martial deserters these days. It's an embarassment that he's training to be a paralegal, and it's a misperception that it's a ***** job, almost all the ones I met in theater were superior Soldiers and a couple were decorated for valor as well. Like any MOS, there are some loser 27Ds of course, but they tend to get weeded out because the promotions are incredibly competitive.
The little shitbird's best bet would be to schlub his way out, i.e. bust body fat limits or repeatedly fail PT tests. Of course he's going to owe the US a big chunk of money and they are very patient and persistent about collecting it.
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He's going to have a desk job 1 weekend every month and he can't hack it?
Get that ***** out of my beloved army.
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Send him to CAJMTC.
It's not a good day until I make someone cry.
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The bonus isn't paid until the completion of basic training and AIT.
And in most cases only half is paid at the front end of the contract.
The rest is either doled out monthly over the length of the enlistment or at the end of the contract.
And on an added note WTF is wrong with the kids parent?
HE'S A ****ing PARALEGAL
Thats the freaking definition of "soft MOS" in the Army.
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My guess is, considering his mother and the kind of environment he likely grew up in this is the first time he's actually had to commit to something and work hard beyond "wear a condom son, and you're not going out that door until you put on your 'Bush Sucks' t-shirt...what will our friends think?" Time to trim the lace off his panties and be a man.
Cindie
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The bonus isn't paid until the completion of basic training and AIT.
And in most cases only half is paid at the front end of the contract.
The rest is either doled out monthly over the length of the enlistment or at the end of the contract.
And on an added note WTF is wrong with the kids parent?
HE'S A ****ing PARALEGAL
Maybe his parents think he can't use his legs and arms now...
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Boot camp at Ft. Jackson and he's ready to quit. ....and he was going to be a paralegal. ....that right there should be reason enough to give him an Undesireable and send him on his way in my book........after he pays back the $10,000 enlistment bonus.
I think some of them are thinking about the good old days with the "tell them you're gay" thing. 40+ years ago that would get one an Undesireable Discharge and out of the service so fast you'd think Scotty had beamed them up. I don't think it works that well now.
I don't think they give them the bonus until completion of AIT. Thats how it works in the AF at least. Would make sense that they do the same.
And the "I'm gay" thing doesn't really work anymore. Especially in a case of just coming outta Basic. The whole thing that gets me is that it's not that hard to get out of Basic. My wife got discharged twice while in Boot Camp (both times after 9/11), for pidly medical shit (not by her choice, by theirs). She told me they where bootin people left and right.
If he really wanted out that badly, he coulda found a way. I'm just guessin he's doing the standard "God boot sucked ass" bitchin to mom, and she's doing the typical DUmmie thing and stretching the story a good 3 miles.
Edit: And I get a kick out of her screen name...
Bonuses are paid out incrementally over the enlistment on an annual basis.
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BTW, this ***** should have to spend the remainder of his enlistment at Ft. Leavenworth. Paralegal? Get the **** outta here. What's he scared of, a paper cut? :whatever:
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Maybe his parents think he can't use his legs and arms now...
Excuse me while I go clean the sweet tea off of my screen
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My guess is, considering his mother and the kind of environment he likely grew up in this is the first time he's actually had to commit to something and work hard beyond "wear a condom son, and you're not going out that door until you put on your 'Bush Sucks' t-shirt...what will our friends think?" Time to trim the lace off his panties and be a man.
Cindie
Its to late for that. He has already failed at being a man so I guess his future is better off in being a transgendered paralegal for the ACLU or UGPs next date.
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'Dishonorable' is right. DUmmies disgust me, but this wimp should stay in for the whole time. It might make a man out of him.
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My guess is, considering his mother and the kind of environment he likely grew up in this is the first time he's actually had to commit to something and work hard beyond "wear a condom son, and you're not going out that door until you put on your 'Bush Sucks' t-shirt...what will our friends think?" Time to trim the lace off his panties and be a man.
Cindie
Its to late for that. He has already failed at being a man so I guess his future is better off in being a transgendered paralegal for the ACLU or UGPs next date.
Pardon me while I clean the Saranac Summer Ale off my flatscreen . . .
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The bonus isn't paid until the completion of basic training and AIT.
And in most cases only half is paid at the front end of the contract.
The rest is either doled out monthly over the length of the enlistment or at the end of the contract.
And on an added note WTF is wrong with the kids parent?
HE'S A ****ing PARALEGAL
Thats the freaking definition of "soft MOS" in the Army.
Ehhh, it's about the same as any other clerical MOS on the work level, and they are generally subject to pulling as many shit details as anyone. Chaplains' Assistants are the real Kings of Get-Over.
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I dunno about anybody else, but I see balls.
Balls bouncing all over the place.
It looks to me as if the maternal ancestress primitive is describing something she wishes her son to do.
And in real life, perhaps her son is sort of uncomfortable with being where he's at, but it appears to me the mother is expressing a hope, not a reality.
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I dunno about anybody else, but I see balls.
Balls bouncing all over the place.
It looks to me as if the maternal ancestress primitive is describing something she wishes her son to do.
And in real life, perhaps her son is sort of uncomfortable with being where he's at, but it appears to me the mother is expressing a hope, not a reality.
Coach, you're going to have to clue me in to why you think this. Obviously, you have more experience over there with the primitives than I do, but I would like to know how you came to this determination. I don't doubt your conclusion; I just want to see how you came to that conclusion. PM me if necessary . . .
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I dunno about anybody else, but I see balls.
Balls bouncing all over the place.
It looks to me as if the maternal ancestress primitive is describing something she wishes her son to do.
And in real life, perhaps her son is sort of uncomfortable with being where he's at, but it appears to me the mother is expressing a hope, not a reality.
Coach, you're going to have to clue me in to why you think this. Obviously, you have more experience over there with the primitives than I do, but I would like to know how you came to this determination. I don't doubt your conclusion; I just want to see how you came to that conclusion. PM me if necessary . . .
He's got a point there, Saint. What DUmmy would enlist in the army, or be able to pass all the tests and stuff to get in anyway?
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This is strongly reminescent of something I eyewitnessed during the build-up to the War for the Liberation of Kuwait, in 1990-1991.
I have a nephew who was in the Army National Guard; in fact, he was the youngest recruit at the time, in the Nebraska Army National Guard.
The sister-in-law, an utter and complete moonbat, a hippie relic, had been against the idea of his joining.
Well, he joined anyway, and it wasn't quite as what he had expected (one of my brothers, his favorite uncle, unexpectedly died while the nephew was in basic training), and he oftentimes expressed some unhappiness about it.
The moonbat sister-in-law insisted this meant he had to get out of there.
He didn't; he completed everything, and did something more than the minimally-required years.; if memory serves me correctly, he re-enlisted at least one time, perhaps two, and was all done by the turn of the century.
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I don't believe what I'm about to do...............here is what the crying wolf primitive said.
my own council is for him stick it out.... but he is determined to leave the service...
That is honest to good advice............so here is my problem..............Why the **** did she start a thread over at Skin's Island about this situation if she thinks he should stick it out. :thatsright:
That was rhetorical
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Ehhh, it's about the same as any other clerical MOS on the work level, and they are generally subject to pulling as many shit details as anyone. Chaplains' Assistants are the real Kings of Get-Over.
Except for when it comes time for the personal effects detail.
But on topic, Reserve paralegal is a pretty safe bet, the Guard actually gets called up more I believe and there are paralegals on AD.
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Time to trim the lace off his panties and be a man.
Cindie
:lmao: H5!
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Ehhh, it's about the same as any other clerical MOS on the work level, and they are generally subject to pulling as many shit details as anyone. Chaplains' Assistants are the real Kings of Get-Over.
Except for when it comes time for the personal effects detail.
But on topic, Reserve paralegal is a pretty safe bet, the Guard actually gets called up more I believe and there are paralegals on AD.
I'm sure there are many fine enlisted personnel of the Chapel E5 and below who are not actually drug-abusers, thieves, or both, but I have met very few clean ones, and I'll just leave my experiences with them at that.
Paralegal is a difficult MTOE fill for deploying units due to low MOS density, total MOS stength issues, high quals, and a disproportionate number of women in child-bearing years in the MOS many of whom are therefore pregnant at any one time and thus nondeployable (in the age group that goes with the grades filling BCT slots particularly), so 27Ds in either the USAR or ARNG have an extraordinarily high chance of being called up as individuals to fill slots in deploying BCTs.
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Ehhh, it's about the same as any other clerical MOS on the work level, and they are generally subject to pulling as many shit details as anyone. Chaplains' Assistants are the real Kings of Get-Over.
Except for when it comes time for the personal effects detail.
But on topic, Reserve paralegal is a pretty safe bet, the Guard actually gets called up more I believe and there are paralegals on AD.
I'm sure there are many fine enlisted personnel of the Chapel E5 and below who are not actually drug-abusers, thieves, or both, but I have met very few clean ones, and I'll just leave my experiences with them at that.
Paralegal is a difficult MTOE fill for deploying units due to low MOS density, total MOS stength issues, high quals, and a disproportionate number of women in child-bearing years in the MOS many of whom are therefore pregnant at any one time and thus nondeployable (in the age group that goes with the grades filling BCT slots particularly), so 27Ds in either the USAR or ARNG have an extraordinarily high chance of being called up as individuals to fill slots in deploying BCTs.
CYHUMA?
(Could you have used more abbreviations?)
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Ehhh, it's about the same as any other clerical MOS on the work level, and they are generally subject to pulling as many shit details as anyone. Chaplains' Assistants are the real Kings of Get-Over.
Except for when it comes time for the personal effects detail.
But on topic, Reserve paralegal is a pretty safe bet, the Guard actually gets called up more I believe and there are paralegals on AD.
I'm sure there are many fine enlisted personnel of the Chapel E5 and below who are not actually drug-abusers, thieves, or both, but I have met very few clean ones, and I'll just leave my experiences with them at that.
Paralegal is a difficult MTOE fill for deploying units due to low MOS density, total MOS stength issues, high quals, and a disproportionate number of women in child-bearing years in the MOS many of whom are therefore pregnant at any one time and thus nondeployable (in the age group that goes with the grades filling BCT slots particularly), so 27Ds in either the USAR or ARNG have an extraordinarily high chance of being called up as individuals to fill slots in deploying BCTs.
I will defer to your experience since if memory serves me you deal with the paralegals and it seems Chaplin's Assistants much more frequently than I. I don't even know if I have ever dealt with a paralegal, at least in the Army.
It's bad enough when I have to deal with the 19 series. :-)
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Ehhh, it's about the same as any other clerical MOS on the work level, and they are generally subject to pulling as many shit details as anyone. Chaplains' Assistants are the real Kings of Get-Over.
Except for when it comes time for the personal effects detail.
But on topic, Reserve paralegal is a pretty safe bet, the Guard actually gets called up more I believe and there are paralegals on AD.
I'm sure there are many fine enlisted personnel of the Chapel E5 and below who are not actually drug-abusers, thieves, or both, but I have met very few clean ones, and I'll just leave my experiences with them at that.
Paralegal is a difficult MTOE fill for deploying units due to low MOS density, total MOS stength issues, high quals, and a disproportionate number of women in child-bearing years in the MOS many of whom are therefore pregnant at any one time and thus nondeployable (in the age group that goes with the grades filling BCT slots particularly), so 27Ds in either the USAR or ARNG have an extraordinarily high chance of being called up as individuals to fill slots in deploying BCTs.
CYHUMA?
(Could you have used more abbreviations?)
military occupational specialty, mission table of organization and equipment, brigade combat team, United States Army Reserve, Army National Guard
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It's bad enough when I have to deal with the 19 series. :-)
Hey, I resemble that remark!
:-)
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It's bad enough when I have to deal with the 19 series. :-)
Hey, I resemble that remark!
:-)
How jealous would you be if I said I know guys who have said, "gunner, can, troops"?
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It's bad enough when I have to deal with the 19 series. :-)
Hey, I resemble that remark!
:-)
How jealous would you be if I said I know guys who have said, "gunner, can, troops"?
:-) < This!
I always regretted we didn't have a couple of rounds of Beehive in our basic load....it was just so....full of possibilities!
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How jealous would you be if I said I know guys who have said, "gunner, can, troops"?
:-) < This!
I always regretted we didn't have a couple of rounds of Beehive in our basic load....it was just so....full of possibilities!
I guess it goes really nice with JAM
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military occupational specialty, mission table of organization and equipment, brigade combat team, United States Army Reserve, Army National Guard
TYVM!
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How jealous would you be if I said I know guys who have said, "gunner, can, troops"?
:-) < This!
I always regretted we didn't have a couple of rounds of Beehive in our basic load....it was just so....full of possibilities!
I guess it goes really nice with JAM
Well, we were more concerned with hordes of Motorized Rifle Regiments from the Pact pouring out of Thuringia, the Jaysh al'Mahdi wasn't around then. CAN is best for MOUT, and 120 is a much bigger load of it than 105, but Beehive was pretty versatile stuff in its own way, you could dial in the fuze for anything from MA out to 4400.
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military occupational specialty, mission table of organization and equipment, brigade combat team, United States Army Reserve, Army National Guard
TYVM!
Your welcome(I wrote it out before it got more stupider)
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Well, we were more concerned with hordes of Motorized Rifle Regiments from the Pact pouring out of Thuringia, the Jaysh al'Mahdi wasn't around then. CAN is best for MOUT, and 120 is a much bigger load of it than 105, but Beehive was pretty versatile stuff in its own way, you could dial in the fuze for anything from MA out to 4400.
Nobody likes tracks until they need tracks, and I have gotten to resemble that remark many a time as in the living in my Bradley.
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military occupational specialty, mission table of organization and equipment, brigade combat team, United States Army Reserve, Army National Guard
TYVM!
Sorry, didn't realize anyone else was still tracking it, MPCOA did great there. "27D" is the alphanumerical MOS identifier that goes with "Paralegal."
19-series refers to America's Steel Fist, the Tankers and Cavalry Troopers. 11-series MOSs are Infantrymen, the Queen of Battle, both noble brothers-in-arms at the point of the spear.
On edit: Oh yeah - CAN=Canister, basically a big shotgun shell for a tank main gun. Beehive was the flechette round (5000 little bitty steel darts in each one) which had a loader-indexible time fuze which could set the burst from "MA" (Muzzle Action) to 4400 meters, the round would burst 75 meters short of the indexed range with a puff of yellow smoke to mark the shot for the gunner and tank commander to correct on the next round. MOUT=Military Ops on Urban Terrain aka "Knife fight in a closet."
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Sorry, didn't realize anyone else was still tracking it, MPCOA did great there. "27D" is the alphanumerical MOS identifier that goes with "Paralegal."
19-series refers to America's Steel Fist, the Tankers and Cavalry Troopers. 11-series MOSs are Infantrymen, the Queen of Battle, both noble brothers-in-arms at the point of the spear.
Just remember why the sky is blue though.
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Well, some say it's cause God loves the Infantry, but it could also be just 'cause he's merciful and wanted them to see something besides brown and red when they check out....
:cheersmate:
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Well, some say it's cause God loves the Infantry, but it could also be just 'cause he's merciful and wanted them to see something besides brown and red when they check out....
:cheersmate:
*spits apricot seed*
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Well, some say it's cause God loves the Infantry, but it could also be just 'cause he's merciful and wanted them to see something besides brown and red when they check out....
:cheersmate:
*spits apricot seed*
My, you have been hanging with some tankers!
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*spits apricot seed*
My, you have been hanging with some tankers!
Heck, I learned that one in the Corps. Marine M1's have always had the infantry phone.
Just please don't eat your charms.
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My, you have been hanging with some tankers!
Nothing like the smell of M-1 exhaust....best place to be in the winter time is behind an Abrams :D
I'll be so glad when I get back to the Mech/Armored world.
These Light guys walk too damn much for me.
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My, you have been hanging with some tankers!
Nothing like the smell of M-1 exhaust....best place to be in the winter time is behind an Abrams :D
I'll be so glad when I get back to the Mech/Armored world.
These Light guys walk too damn much for me.
IIRC, you had to be a few feet behind the things.
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If you're within the first 180 days of your enlistment, your commander may discharge you under the terms of an Entry Level Separation based upon your performance and the likelihood you will adapt successfully to military life.
Source: DoD Directive 1332.14: “Enlisted Administrative Separationsâ€)
The guy might/might not owe the US Treasury 10K, lot of variables in determining the status.
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If you're within the first 180 days of your enlistment, your commander may discharge you under the terms of an Entry Level Separation based upon your performance and the likelihood you will adapt successfully to military life.
Source: DoD Directive 1332.14: “Enlisted Administrative Separationsâ€)
The guy might/might not owe the US Treasury 10K, lot of variables in determining the status.
Spounds like he is done with the Basic phase of what is called "Split option" Initial Entry Training (Basic Combat Training one summer, Advanced Individual Training the next), so prolly too far down the tube for a Chapter 11.
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My, you have been hanging with some tankers!
Nothing like the smell of M-1 exhaust....best place to be in the winter time is behind an Abrams :D
I'll be so glad when I get back to the Mech/Armored world.
These Light guys walk too damn much for me.
You should get behind the blast from the exhaust of a CH-47D sometime during a cold spell.
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They are both turbines, one is just a whole lot closer to the ground.
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They are both turbines, one is just a whole lot closer to the ground.
Hey man, can you check out the Shoutbox?