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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on November 17, 2011, 04:22:50 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=337x4799
Oh my.
Now, let's be encouraging, folks; this isn't the gigantic primitive.
truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-27-11 04:59 PM
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No clue where to start...I need to lose a ton of weight...
...sorry about the pun...let me put it this way...if I dropped 100 pounds I would still need to drop 80 more to get to my "ideal weight"...
I had some success with weight watchers...I lost 10% of my starting weight in 90-days..but that came back on slowly as the weight loss plateaued...I've tried Atkins, South Beach with mixed results...
I am desperately unhappy about the way I look and i am at an age (48) where it is damned near impossible to get rid of the weight...
In my defense, some of the weight gain has come due to me quitting a 30+ year habit of smoking ciggies 15 months ago (no slips either...dead proud of myself for that)...but I know I need to start taking better care of myself.
I don't eat junk. I eat plenty of fruit and veg. I get nowhere close to enough excercise, especially at work where I am nailed to my desk...other than "Don't eat as much, and get off your backside" is there anything else I need to look at doing?
What has worked for you guys?
supernova (1000+ posts) Fri Oct-28-11 08:43 PM
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1. Hrm.. here's a few things that have worked for me.. I am about 40 lbs over my ideal. I ballooned up after 45.
I started Atkins when I turned 40 and did pretty well on it, but then I strayed from it, thinking I could reintroduce more high carb foods like bread and pasta. Big mistake.
Here's what I've learned after nine years and the weight is slowly starting to come off:
1) Explore whether you have food allergies/sensitivities. Eating foods that provoke an immune response can make you fat. One reason is increased appetite for that food. Common culprits include: milk, wheat gluten, eggs, nuts. If you find yourself eating and not being able to stop some of these foods.. explore further. Or if you find you have so far unexplained allergic symptoms like upper respiratory congestion, gi distress/bloating, rashes from nowhere. I found out I am sensitive to gluten and milk, so I now avoid those foods. Just an avenue to explore.
2) Adequate protein and fats. Make sure you are getting enough protein for your height and weight and plant/fish fats to satisfy you during the day. Doesn't have to be meat, could be nuts, soy, legumes, etc. Learn to love nut oils and olive oil and avocados if you don't already. I'm down to one serving of animal flesh/day. The rest of the protein I need comes from nuts or tofu if I have it.
3) Eat low on the Glycemic index. Make sure the foods that you do eat do not spike your blood sugar levels quickly then drop just as quickly an hour or so later. These foods can make you feel hungry and tired soon after eating them. Common culprits here are the "white" foods: wheat-flour based baked goods like bread, pasta, white rice esp converted rice, white potatoes. Examples of low GI foods include: green leafy veggies like chard and kale, pickles, olives, broccoli, squash, eggplant (aubergines ) and most berries like strawberries, raspberries, blackberries, and blueberries. Not saying never to eat a certain food, just try to understand how your body uses different foods so that you can pick and choose what it needs anytime you think "I'm hungry."
4) Exercise and movement are necessary. But don't go signing up for the gym if you don't want to. Everything helps. Vigorous housework, gardening, walking the dog. Extended window-shopping on a pretty afternoon. For the moment, getting out with my dog 2x.day is working for me. What matters is make sure during the day you make yourself pant.
5) Drink enough fluids. Water is fine, so is unsweetened tea. So is coffee. If I want something cold, essence-flavored mineral water is good. Since you're British, I hope you put cream in your tea, not milk with it's med. high sugar content. No sugar, no honey. Not to get too graphic, but if the toilet looks pale yellow, you're about right.
6) Since you quit smoking (yay trubrit71!!) I hope you have found healthier activity/habit to take the place of smoking. My hat's off to anyone who quits.
As you can see, I had to learn quite a bit of nutritional info.
Aha. Another rabid anti-milkist.
franksolich credits his own weight to what's nearly a 90% dairy-and-eggs diet. Or so it seems.
franksolich is the dairy farmer's best friend.
WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Sun Oct-30-11 04:20 AM
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2. SparkPeople...
It was suggested here a few times by others and I will admit that it's helped us (Paul and I) a great deal. Logging your food so that you can see what you're taking in is a huge help to us both.
I've dropped 65 pounds. Paul has lost 40.
noel711 (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-03-11 07:24 PM
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3. I'm with Willl.... SparkPeople rocks..
Now I am down 73 pounds.
SparkPEople has everything... and more.. than anyone would require for advice, support and a huge range of helps.
check it out: www.sparkpeople.com
And it's all free..
Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-04-11 04:29 PM
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4. I agree Sparkpeople is an amazing resource.
I lost 60 pounds and have been maintaining successfully with the help of Spark.
I would also recommend The Gabriel Method. The author, Jon Gabriel lost over 200 pounds over six years
ago with out dieting. His story and his method are amazing. The book is available on Amazon for about ten
dollars and you get a free mp3 download to help with stress.
These two programs plus consistent exercise changed my life.
justgamma (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-06-11 08:34 PM
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5. I vote for Sparkpeople.
I lost 100# 3 years ago with their help.
My biggest tip is don't try to talk yourself into eating anything you know you shouldn't. When I get a "craving", I immediately start planning supper. It takes my mind off the "bad" stuff and makes me think of the good stuff, I'll get later.
ginnyinWI (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-17-11 12:58 AM
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6. going 95% vegan has helped me
I am down about 65 pounds from the highest weight. The first 30 came off about 16 years ago when I simply stopped eating such big portions. And about 7 years ago I began to exercise regularly, which helped some. But exercise alone will never do it.
After trying South Beach and failing at that after losing 11 pounds and then getting stuck, then gaining it back, I started just watching carbs and limiting portions even more, and that helped get another 20 pounds permanently off. Then I got onto a plateau which lasted 3 years or so. During this time I'd also given up red meat--pork and beef, to eliminate some of the saturated fat in my diet. But I was still eating too many calories and too much fat to get anywhere.
Last spring, fed up (pardon the pun) and looking for answers, I started reading about a plant-based diet, and didn't shut my mind to it, because I'd spent time with my vegan daughter and saw how tasty some of her cooking could be. I read books by Neal Barnard, Dean Ornish, John Robbins, Joel Fuhrman--you know, the type of eating that Bill Clinton has adopted. I haven't done it perfectly (and you don't really need to--95% is good enough) and have lost another 13 pounds since last April.
What you do is focus on plants and whole grains: salads, cooked vegetables, beans, brown rice, whole grain breads, fruit, nuts and seeds, while avoiding animal products: meat, poultry, fish and dairy. You stop eating these for three weeks or so and you stop craving them, or even wanting them anymore. You are constantly eating very nutritious food and you feel younger and more energetic. You get the fat out of your diet so you automatically consume fewer calories but still get full at each meal.
The best thing about this way of eating is that you never need to be hungry. You can always eat something and that something really fills you up. You find yourself liking those foods more and more, and greasy heavy stuff is no longer appealing. I know I won't be going back!
A plant based diet protects the heart, and is anti-cancer and helps improve a lot of chronic health conditions. And it's really fun--there is no "falling off" because you become happy and content with what you are eating. Yes I eat chocolate sometimes, and desserts, and when eating out stray into eating things like onion rings--but most of the time I'm eating healthy and feel really good. I still want to lose 20 pounds but I think I'll get there.
You can substitute a lot of things for your favorite meat and dairy foods: like veggie burgers, tofu sour cream, non-dairy milks, non-dairy butters. But mostly, especially if you like to cook, you can find a million recipes for making wonderful dishes made simply from cooked and raw vegetables, potatoes, rice, pasta, and fruit. These foods, contrary to that the big meat and dairy lobbies have taught us, have plenty of protein and calcium in them.
Did you know that the chimpanze, our closest relative, eats a diet in the wild that is about half fruit, and the rest mostly vegetables with a small amount of nuts and seeds? So why are we eating so much milk, meat, sugar and fat? The answer is that we have gotten away from our roots and have been trained to eat those things. We still need to cook our food, because we no longer have chimp teeth, but still the concept holds.
edited to add: If you have a huge amount of weight to lose, you will surely lose more than 13 pounds in six months. It will probably be more like 30-50 lbs depending on how much you have to lose. In "Eat to Live" there are personal stories that say it can happen.
Oh man.
Another anti-milk fanatic.
I swear, the anti-milk lobby has got to be one of the biggest and most influential special-interest groups in the country.
franksolich advocates a diet top-heavy in dairy and eggs, but that isn't going to fly.
Anybody have any better ideas, because the ones the primitives have too don't seem too good.
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Well, it sounds like he's already determined what his problem is when he said he doesn't get nowhere near enough exercise.
My suggestion would be to not eat as much, and get off your backside.
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I'm with BH on that.
Eat less, excersize more.
Works every time.
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The new and improved "Obama Diet Plan" will be out soon and all of America will be skinner than Nancy Pelosi. It's a combination of no food and lots of work in the new government work camps. FEMA________ will be in charge of running the agency.
FEMA...Fat Enemies of Moochelle And (whoever)
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Put the fork down and get off your ass!
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Maybe the truebrit71 primitive can go on the diet that Karin was referring to here:
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,66654.msg773647.html#msg773647
There you go, truebrit71. Get with our Karin to track down the primitive she spied posting that fancy Cuban diet, and you can have it all: meat free, communistic, and green. It checks all of the boxes!
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...its simple math...
input > output = gain
input < output = loss
input = output = balance
I have no idea where the notion that one ounce of fat becomes five pounds of weight comes from - but if this is true, I have many pounds of base metals I would like converted into gold.
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I also advocate a diet top-heavy in dairy and eggs and also red meat. Lots and lots of red meat. A 12 pack of lager beer hits the spot now and then too, at least once a week. Also a good cigar. Yes, I know, very few calories in a good cigar (Macanudo, Arturo Fuente, etc.) but a good cigar is such an important part of a good meal. Goes damn well with the 12 pack too.
The problem with the disgusting fat body DUmmies is those jelly doughnuts. Zero self discipline and no self respect.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NP8y63Ms4o[/youtube]
If any of you disgusting fat body DUmmies are serious about losing the muffin top I can recommend an exclusive spa near Beaufort, South Carolina that works wonders. :-)
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Well, since he's "nailed to his desk" at work, maybe he should buy one of those little pedal machines. Like riding a bike while going nowhere.
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The stone is a unit of mass from the imperial system of measurement currently taken as being equal to 14 pounds.
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:confused:
Primitive says "I need to loose a ton of weight." 144 stone = 2016 pounds.
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:thatsright:
Oh.
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Here's my diet and exercise for you DUmmie who's name I didn't bother to remember:
1) Blame McDonald's especially when standing in line for a McRib.
2) Stay in your mom's basement clicking and posting on the DUmp.
You'll be fit in no time.
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supernova
Since you're British, I hope you put cream in your tea, not milk with it's med. high sugar content.
Oh dear dear dear dear dear.
Nobody British puts cream in tea - it's vile and filthy.
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Moderation in all things. Don't lose weight too quickly (it goes back on quickly).
Simple really, though it takes determination and self-discipline.
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cooked and raw vegetables, potatoes, rice, pasta, and fruit. These foods, contrary to that the big meat and dairy lobbies have taught us, have plenty of protein and calcium in them.
No they don't you wishful thinking moonbat. Once upon a time, with an eye toward swimsuit season, I went on a diet where it was only vegetables for the first 2 days (all cooked in a soup). I very nearly fainted dead away. Once I picked myself up off the floor, I cooked up a hamburger. Besides, your "potatoes, rice and pasta" have kept the Las Vegas Leviathan just as fat and useless as ever, diabetic sores oozing from his legs.
Move, move, move, and you can eat what you want, in small, reasonable portions. That's all I do. I hate diet food, consisting of salad with a lemon squirted onto it, melba toast, rice cakes, carrots & celery. They make me barf.
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So that bowl of Cap'n Crunch with 2% milk I just ate most likely wouldn't pass with DUmmies huh?
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Remember the really fat kids, the bizarre kids that didn't bathe, the ones that we laughed at and made fun of in high school?
They all post at the DUmp.
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Oh dear dear dear dear dear.
Nobody British puts cream in tea - it's vile and filthy.
Agreed!
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I eat lots of eggs. Milk, not so much, except half&half in my coffee. I really avoid grains, though. Quickest way for me to gain weight is to eat too much grain. Holidays are great for remembering why I don't eat surgary junk. I'm sick of it after New Years. I just love spinach salad and probably eat it 4 or 5 times a week.
If you don't have any muscle it will be much harder to lose weight. Push ups. Hits every upper body muscle you have. I used to hate them but they're so quick.
Cindie
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I eat lots of eggs. Milk, not so much, except half&half in my coffee. I really avoid grains, though. Quickest way for me to gain weight is to eat too much grain. Holidays are great for remembering why I don't eat surgary junk. I'm sick of it after New Years. I just love spinach salad and probably eat it 4 or 5 times a week.
If you don't have any muscle it will be much harder to lose weight. Push ups. Hits every upper body muscle you have. I used to hate them but they're so quick.
Cindie
Exercise, if at all possible, really is the best solution. Diet can only take anybody so far, without the muscle to burn the calories a person will have to live on a restricted diet forever just to maintain.
My slim down solution (that has been working for me):
Avoid sugar and processed grains. In general these are empty calories that don't even really fill you up.
Moderation in everything you eat.
Drink plenty of water, and very little of anything else. Coffee is my main vice here
Exercise daily. At least half an hour, but an hour is better. Find something you enjoy, find a friend to do it with you, and just do it. If you don't have a half an hour at some point in your day to do something active then you really need to look at how you are spending your time.
The more you have to lose, the easier it will come off in the beginning, so with over a hundred pounds he should be able to see good results fairly quickly.
Things like weight watchers and spark people are great for tracking and for accountability.
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Here's my diet and exercise for you DUmmie who's name I didn't bother to remember:
1) Blame McDonald's especially when standing in line for a McRib.
2) Stay in your mom's basement clicking and posting on the DUmp.
You'll be fit in no time.
OMG I would kill for a McRib! I went in to McDonald's for a small coffee the other night and I was so temped by McRibs, McNuggets, and Quarter Pounders I almost went insane. This is not a weight thing ( 5"11' 187 pounds ) it is a "this economy is killing me" thing. I kind of hate my self for spending a dollar on a small coffee.
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Oh dear dear dear dear dear.
Nobody British puts cream in tea - it's vile and filthy.
Hmmm...I have British family, all put cream/milk of one variation or another in their tea. :fuelfire:
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Hmmm...I have British family, all put cream/milk of one variation or another in their tea. :fuelfire:
Now you've confused me, madam.
I've agreed with all previous members here who indicated such is the case, one uses milk, and not cream, in tea.
Personally, it makes no difference to me; either one, whichever one is handy.
But I DO recall, when in England for three winters, everybody always served milk with tea, never cream.
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Never.
Coffee, on the other hand, usually to cover up the fact that it's been sitting for a couple hours.
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Well, it sounds like he's already determined what his problem is when he said he doesn't get nowhere near enough exercise.
My suggestion would be to not eat as much, and get off your backside.
My advice: Get a ****in' job ya useless POS! I'm 57 soon to be 58, and it's amazing that I weigh the same as I did when I was 25! Of course havin' a real job, as in construction, would pretty much be my excuse. Man handlin' livestock will do it too! Ya ever meet a fat farmer or rancher? Even if ya have, I'll lay odds they can bend 16 penny nails with their teeth!
I rest my case!
One other thing, havin' a very active sex life will do it too! Pretty hard to make luv to a zeppelin! Amazing how one's sex libido will curb one's appetite in order to be attractive to one's partner! heheheheheheheh!
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.....it's amazing that I weigh the same as I did when I was 25! Of course havin' a real job, as in construction, would pretty much be my excuse. Man handlin' livestock will do it too! Ya ever meet a fat farmer or rancher?
Whoa.
You too, sir?
Actually, at my high school class reunion a couple of years ago, I was the only one out of everybody who could still fit in a pair of pants I wore when 18 years old. And room left over, even.
And you're right; honest labor does it.
Years and years of it keeps one young.
Do you still have all your hair too, and no discoloration?
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Whoa.
You too, sir?
Actually, at my high school class reunion a couple of years ago, I was the only one out of everybody who could still fit in a pair of pants I wore when 18 years old. And room left over, even.
And you're right; honest labor does it.
Years and years of it keeps one young.
Do you still have all your hair too, and no discoloration?
Absolutely! I have to cut it every 2 weeks or I start lookin' like one of those ****in' hippies occupying Wall Street!
Hell Toots is loosin' more hair than I am! Her's is greyer too!
Could be because she's been married to me for damn near 39 years! I wouldn't wish that on anyone else though! She deserves me, and I her!
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One other thing, havin' a very active sex life will do it too! Pretty hard to make luv to a zeppelin! Amazing how one's sex libido will curb one's appetite in order to be attractive to one's partner! heheheheheheheh!
hahahaha :lol:
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hahahaha :lol:
Figured you ladies would like that little bit of humor!
She don't call me "Stud Muffin" for nuttin'!
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Absolutely! I have to cut it every 2 weeks or I start lookin' like one of those ****in' hippies occupying Wall Street!
Hell Toots is loosin' more hair than I am! Her's is greyer too!
Could be because she's been married to me for damn near 39 years! I wouldn't wish that on anyone else though! She deserves me, and I her!
I have a nephew who's 37, about twelve years younger than myself.
He'd make a good primitive, if he were into politics, which he's not.
Vegetarian, works in a coffee shop, the "art" type, the sensitive type, bicyclist, negative personality.
Denver.
He's always harping on me, because he thinks I'm stupid because I'm the way I am.
The last time I saw him, his hair was damned near gone.....but more than that, someone confused me with being a younger brother of his.
Being the way I am has some, uh, benefits.
Bah, humbug.
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So that bowl of Cap'n Crunch Cut The Inside of Your Mouth to Ribbons with 2% milk I just ate most likely wouldn't pass with DUmmies huh?
Fixed -- For the record, I like breakfast food of all sorts - including that cereal. I just cant seem to eat it without turning the milk pink in the process.
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I have a nephew who's 37, about twelve years younger than myself.
He'd make a good primitive, if he were into politics, which he's not.
Vegetarian, works in a coffee shop, the "art" type, the sensitive type, bicyclist, negative personality.
Denver.
He's always harping on me, because he thinks I'm stupid because I'm the way I am.
The last time I saw him, his hair was damned near gone.....but more than that, someone confused me with being a younger brother of his.
Being the way I am has some, uh, benefits.
Bah, humbug.
I have a younger brother that would fit in nicely at MoonBat central. He's as bald as a frikkin' cue ball! Must be the philosophy!
Personally I think testosterone has somethin' to do with it. Both my brothers are goin' bald and couldn't get laid to save their lives! Myself, I try not to go more than two days without, or I go thru withdrawals! Besides, Toots won't let me, nasty 'ol broad that she is! heheheheheheheh
My dad was the same way. He had a full head of hair up until his untimely demise!
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Now you've confused me, madam.
I've agreed with all previous members here who indicated such is the case, one uses milk, and not cream, in tea.
Personally, it makes no difference to me; either one, whichever one is handy.
But I DO recall, when in England for three winters, everybody always served milk with tea, never cream.
My mother has no qualms using cream or rather half and half. The 'milk' served at my grandparents home in England had a very creamy milk in it--closer to our half and half as I recall. It could have just been what comes in the bottle back then in the 70's(it was still delivered to their home). I wouldn't call the average gallon of 1% the same as the 'milk' they put in their coffee. The consistency seemed closer to half and half that I drink now, but I drink 1% normally so perhaps my perspective is skewed and it's whole milk. Still, my mother will use half and half here in the states in her tea so I'm inclined to think whole milk is more what's on the tables in England considering her preference when the 1% is sitting in the fridge. She doesn't like coffee or tea particularly 'watery'. I should ask her...like I said my perspective as a 1%er(meh;-) may skewed my perspective on what's going in the tea.
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Never.
Coffee, on the other hand, usually to cover up the fact that it's been sitting for a couple hours.
Why bother if you have to cover up that fact? :-)
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Fixed -- For the record, I like breakfast food of all sorts - including that cereal. I just cant seem to eat it without turning the milk pink in the process.
Same here...I have abrasions after eating Capt Crunch :thatsright:
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Why bother if you have to cover up that fact? :-)
I need my coffee. I'll take whatever I can get. :p
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Fixed -- For the record, I like breakfast food of all sorts - including that cereal. I just cant seem to eat it without turning the milk pink in the process.
ya gots ta eat it fast before the milk turns colors.
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ya gots ta eat it fast before the milk turns colors.
True.
I do enjoy my Frosted Flakes a little on the wet side, though. I can pack more into the bowl and they do a better job of staying on the spoon.
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Simplest weight loss plan I ever heard...."Eat slow, walk fast".
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I need my coffee. I'll take whatever I can get. :p
This makes me want to :bawl: :-)
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Hmmm...I have British family, all put cream/milk of one variation or another in their tea. :fuelfire:
Always milk and never cream.
Born and raised in England, spent my entire life living in the U.K. and the only people I've ever heard of using cream were Americans.
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Always milk and never cream.
Born and raised in England, spent my entire life living in the U.K. and the only people I've ever heard of using cream were Americans.
What part?. I am from Surrey. Byfleet to be exact.40 miles sw of London.
Do you put pour the milk in first?? I do. I think the tea is better that way....and 5 cubes of sugar.... :-) :-) :whistling:
and the Victorian sponge cake.....yumba!!!
Maltesers, Flake and Rose's Cadbury!!!.....YUMBA!!!!!
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What part?. I am from Surrey. Byfleet to be exact.40 miles sw of London.
Do you put pour the milk in first?? I do. I think the tea is better that way....and 5 cubes of sugar.... :-) :-) :whistling:
and the Victorian sponge cake.....yumba!!!
Maltesers, Flake and Rose's Cadbury!!!.....YUMBA!!!!!
I'm in south Buckinghamshire - perfect location as far as I'm concerned, living in the countryside but able to get in and out of London very easily...also the most Conservative county in the country which certainly helps.
Milk in first here too, but I don't have a sweet-tooth at all so no sugar for me.
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Do you put pour the milk in first?? I do. I think the tea is better that way....
Yeah, I noticed you guys do that, too. Milk before tea.
I don't care either way--milk or cream, milk before tea or tea and then milk--myself, but always thought it politic to do as the Romans do, when in Rome. I'm sure there must be a good reason this tradition evolved, but I have no idea what it might be.
I stayed in cheap cheap cheap places the three winters I spent there, and don't remember a single bad breakfast, but I never touched the orange marmalade, dining on the toast as it was, just buttered. The toast was usually cold, but I can accept, adapt, and move on. Cold toast never killed anyone, and even today, if the toast is cold, I just think "Oh well," and dine on it anyway.
But orange marmalade with dust and mold on top of it, no way.