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Title: Few key Iranians living in the US
Post by: Cyrus on November 13, 2011, 11:12:42 AM
Since this is an American dominated forum I thought I'd post some Iranian-Americans I found on Youtube who I liked.

Ebay founder.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgdW0TDWfkU[/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csK-QlaTJ00[/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9pVytARif8[/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQQR15itpyM[/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EvQXil7H2Q[/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FAj2vGH14c[/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDNefD6OiL4[/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImAFtW_3I8U[/youtube]
Iranians in LA celebrating Nowruz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nowruz), the biggest Iranian holiday, almost like the Iranian Christmas!

 :cheersmate: Down with the Islamic Republic and up with good Iran-America relations!

(http://i.imgur.com/G6Xek.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/CXpmf.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/UsKik.jpg)
Title: Re: Few key Iranians living in the US
Post by: Rick on November 13, 2011, 11:52:36 AM

Your last picture did not load, needs jpg replaced with png.

(http://i.imgur.com/UsKik.png)

Please continue to post. It is always good to see something positive.
Title: Re: Few key Iranians living in the US
Post by: Cyrus on November 13, 2011, 12:08:49 PM
Thanks Rick.

Nice picture by the way, you look like a Celtic Warrior, are you of Celtic descent?

(http://www.ancienthistory.netne.net/images/Celtic%20warriors.jpg)
Title: Re: Few key Iranians living in the US
Post by: franksolich on November 13, 2011, 12:19:30 PM
You know, Cyrus, sir, I've followed Iran since I was a little kid, and collected postage stamps.

The Shah came tumbling down my first year in college, in 1978, and I've always felt badly about the way the Shah was treated, having to be shuffled from one country to another, and ultimately ending up in that pesthole, Panama.  It wasn't right for the west to treat a former ally that way.

No one will disagree that the Shah was better than what Iran has now, but I've always been curious about something.

Surely he must have been aware that it was not good, all the corruption under his regime.

The only "excuse" I can think of, is that he was seriously ill the last two, three, four, years of his life, and one doesn't pay much attention to things when in that condition.

It seems to me there was a conflict, a contest, between the Shah's twin sister and the Shah's wife, that exacerbated things.  He was a man torn between two women, both of them with different perspectives, different outlooks, and his twin sister won the tug-of-war.

And among other recent news about Iran, I read somewhere that the younger son of the late Shah committed suicide; is there a story behind that?  I do know that the Shah-in-waiting, his older brother, had problems with his mother, the Shah's widow, trying to dominate him.
Title: Re: Few key Iranians living in the US
Post by: Cyrus on November 13, 2011, 12:39:18 PM
Quote from: franksolich on November 13, 2011, 12:19:30 PM
The Shah came tumbling down my first year in college, in 1978, and I've always felt badly about the way the Shah was treated, having to be shuffled from one country to another, and ultimately ending up in that pesthole, Panama.  It wasn't right for the west to treat a former ally that way.

The USA has always cared about the Shah I think the reason they didn't want him in the USA was to not upset the Islamist scumbags! I think it was a smart move because the lunatics who took the hostages might of gotten even more angered with USA if that happened.

Quote from: franksolich on November 13, 2011, 12:19:30 PM
Surely he must have been aware that it was not good, all the corruption under his regime.

The Shah had to transform a feudal nation into a 1st world nation. I think it would be impossible without some corruption. I tihnk that the Islamic Republic does one good thing and that is it makes people see what Islam really is and then people start to hate Islam and remove their fantasy image of Islam being peaceful. I also think that Jimmy Carter should of not done all the talk of human rights and things like that because the Shah was a crucial ally of the USA and Jimmy Carter should of respected the relationship in a purely geopolitics way instead of try to bring up human rights in Iran. Jimmy Carter should of ordered US troops in Iran to kill as many protesters as possible (this is how I would say it if I saw it from a USA geopolitic stance).

I think if the Shah and Jimmy Carter were more tough and didn't allow the monarchy to collapse:
-USA would still have a good ally in the Middle East
-Soviet Union would collapse maybe 2 years soon
-War in Afghanistan would not happen (no Taliban would be created)

Now that I think about this actually in detail I see that there would be so many more things the Shah could do to stop the Islamists.

Quote from: franksolich on November 13, 2011, 12:19:30 PM
And among other recent news about Iran, I read somewhere that the younger son of the late Shah committed suicide; is there a story behind that?  I do know that the Shah-in-waiting, his older brother, had problems with his mother, the Shah's widow, trying to dominate him.

I forgot the story but I could understand why he wished to kill himself, with so much glory lost and respect.

Thanks for the comment franksolich! It has interested me again in studying the 1978-1980 period in Iranian history.
Title: Re: Few key Iranians living in the US
Post by: franksolich on November 13, 2011, 12:56:17 PM
Quote from: Cyrus on November 13, 2011, 12:39:18 PM
I also think that Jimmy Carter should of not done all the talk of human rights and things like that because the Shah was a crucial ally of the USA and Jimmy Carter should of respected the relationship in a purely geopolitics way instead of try to bring up human rights in Iran.

Well now, I had no problem with the sourpussed peanut farmer talking about human rights, but he definitely needed to keep his perspective on things.  All things are NOT equal.  The repressions taking place under the Shah were nothing, hardly a bagatelle, when compared with repressions taking place elsewhere in the world......and the sourpussed peanut farmer paid no attention to those.

A gentle rap on the knuckles for the Shah, a sledge-hammer on the skulls of those who were more oppressive.

All things are NOT equal.  There ARE people, leaders, who are "less bad" than other leaders, and the Shah was certainly "less bad" than the socialist totalitarians and semi-"modernized" African chieftains.
Title: Re: Few key Iranians living in the US
Post by: Cyrus on November 13, 2011, 01:02:03 PM
Quote from: franksolich on November 13, 2011, 12:56:17 PM
Well now, I had no problem with the sourpussed peanut farmer talking about human rights, but he definitely needed to keep his perspective on things.  All things are NOT equal.  The repressions taking place under the Shah were nothing, hardly a bagatelle, when compared with repressions taking place elsewhere in the world......and the sourpussed peanut farmer paid no attention to those.

A gentle rap on the knuckles for the Shah, a sledge-hammer on the skulls of those who were more oppressive.

All things are NOT equal.  There ARE people, leaders, who are "less bad" than other leaders, and the Shah was certainly "less bad" than the socialist totalitarians and semi-"modernized" African chieftains.

Well personally if it was 1978-1979 and I was the USA president I would put all my efforts into maintaining a relationship with Iran and forget about human rights because viewing it from a USA perspective, Iran was a crucial strategic ally (counter balance against Saddam who was at the time many more times dangerous than he was in 2000's) and also a crucial oil exporter to the USA which helped the USA economy.

The Islamic Revolution really gave roots to modern terrorism and anti-American movement, now that I think about this I see that Jimmy Carter in one way gave way to modern Islamism as the world understand it today! Who was the American president who called Khomenei "a Gandhi like figure"? I don't know if that was Reagen or Carter or a politician.
Title: Re: Few key Iranians living in the US
Post by: Ptarmigan on November 13, 2011, 02:29:26 PM
We have famous Iranians here in America.
Catherine Bell
Sarah Shahi
Fairuza Balk
Rudi Bakhtiar

 :-)
Title: Re: Few key Iranians living in the US
Post by: Chris_ on November 13, 2011, 02:30:04 PM
Fairuza Balk is famous? :rofl: