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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on November 09, 2011, 06:28:23 PM
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A couple of posters seem to think Obama could/would seize control of the US, presumably cancelling elections, yadda-yadda-yadda.
To me it sounds the same as someone standing-up in a court room and declaring he does not have to stand trial because he is Napoleon. You have to have enough muscle to cover your mouth or else it's your ass.
Obama would be laughed-at just before he was impeached and hung.
So how could Obama seize control of the US?
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I don't think the democrats planned on the tea party, or the elections of 2010.
Had they retained control of congress, they would have destroyed the economy and been able to build up a socialist state from there.
Obama is just a puppet. He couldn't organize a community let alone make himself a king.
Soros, Ayers, commies in the Democrat party are the ones pulling the strings.
I think they went too far too soon, and lost control of way too many states to Tea party types. They were hoping for European complacence and suddenly faced a pioneer spirit thought to be long dead.
I think the democrat party may well be destroyed over this. No one wakes up a sleeping giant and doesn't face the consequences.
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He could declare Marshall law. :rotf:
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Everything is bungled. The center cannot hold. Fast and Furious was revealed ruining any propaganda potential. OWS hasn't lived up to Van Jones' promise. Even Michelle Obama can't stand Obama anymore.
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I'm about 80% certain where the military would fall if "Marshall Law" were to be declared by the SCOAMF in Chief. So long as I keep my ass down and stay out of things that'll exacerbate the situation in the long run, they don't worry me.
What worries me is the disturbing trends we're seeing out of the nation's police forces these last few years. Especially those policing in and around the deep blue cities and surrounding areas. Damn near every street officer these days has at least some training in "military-style" tactics. The reports of police abuses against normal, everyday citizens just doing their own thing on their own property are growing in frequency as well as magnitude. The tactic of the "no-knock, no announce warrant serve" is being used on less and less violent classes of crime - most times on the "right people"; sometimes not. In the rush to get larger and larger police forces on the streets - and get more of that federal cash being handed out to fund these forces - the acceptance standards are going WAAAAAY way down (IMHO, of course), leading to a situation where there are more on the forces these days that would not question an illegal or unconstitutional order if it were given, under the justification of "leaving it for the attorneys to sort out".
What all this adds up to for me is that between the rogue federal law enforcement arms that Barry Soetoro already controls, and the Blue State/City Hells that would voluntarily cede authority over their police forces to him in the interest of staying in power, there are enough "boys in blue" to fill basic manning tables for his "civilian national security force, just as well equipped and funded as the military", damned near at the moment he says the magic words "urr... Marshall uh... Law".
Given that Congress and the state legislatures have put We The People in the position that damned near ANYTHING we do - including doing nothing - will run us afoul of some law or other, and there is instant justification for arresting just about anybody - who disagrees with The ReichsMessiah, that is - at just about any time, on just about any charge.
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I'm about 80% certain where the military would fall if "Marshall Law" were to be declared by the SCOAMF in Chief. So long as I keep my ass down and stay out of things that'll exacerbate the situation in the long run, they don't worry me.
What worries me is the disturbing trends we're seeing out of the nation's police forces these last few years. Especially those policing in and around the deep blue cities and surrounding areas. Damn near every street officer these days has at least some training in "military-style" tactics. The reports of police abuses against normal, everyday citizens just doing their own thing on their own property are growing in frequency as well as magnitude. The tactic of the "no-knock, no announce warrant serve" is being used on less and less violent classes of crime - most times on the "right people"; sometimes not. In the rush to get larger and larger police forces on the streets - and get more of that federal cash being handed out to fund these forces - the acceptance standards are going WAAAAAY way down (IMHO, of course), leading to a situation where there are more on the forces these days that would not question an illegal or unconstitutional order if it were given, under the justification of "leaving it for the attorneys to sort out".
What all this adds up to for me is that between the rogue federal law enforcement arms that Barry Soetoro already controls, and the Blue State/City Hells that would voluntarily cede authority over their police forces to him in the interest of staying in power, there are enough "boys in blue" to fill basic manning tables for his "civilian national security force, just as well equipped and funded as the military", damned near at the moment he says the magic words "urr... Marshall uh... Law".
Given that Congress and the state legislatures have put We The People in the position that damned near ANYTHING we do - including doing nothing - will run us afoul of some law or other, and there is instant justification for arresting just about anybody - who disagrees with The ReichsMessiah, that is - at just about any time, on just about any charge.
Well it may be true in Blue controlled areas but as we have seen on the National maps after the elections they don't have enough people to control anything that isn't local. The problem the yhave is logistics. Anyone outside of a blue hellhole can stay away from there and no one is so far forced to do business there . Seems to me that they would implode after awhile when no one wants to deal with them.
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Just don't think it's a realistic scenario. He can't govern effectively with a lawful election and the entire MSM at his back, no way in Hell he could put together a successful conspiracy to do that.
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Well it may be true in Blue controlled areas but as we have seen on the National maps after the elections they don't have enough people to control anything that isn't local. The problem the yhave is logistics. Anyone outside of a blue hellhole can stay away from there and no one is so far forced to do business there . Seems to me that they would implode after awhile when no one wants to deal with them.
Even the blue areas would be ungovernable. Not because the dirty hippies would rally to Obama's cause or rebel against him but because they will do what anti-establishment iconoklasts always do: they will run around and break shit.
The red areas would rebel and remain governable from their own strength while the blue areas descend into anarchy and decay, i.e. Detroit on steroids and meth.
Obama would be laughed off his pretend throne, then hung in the public square as his family is sent into exile in Venezuala. The coup would last 5 minutes but the blue city riots would last 3 days until sufficient force is brought to bear.
Just don't think it's a realistic scenario. He can't govern effectively with a lawful election and the entire MSM at his back, no way in Hell he could put together a successful conspiracy to do that.
Exactly.
Which is why these Obama's-gonna-stage-a-coup! posts piss me off.
First, it makes us look as stupid as the DUmbasses who kept crying that Bush was going to cancel the 2004 / 2008 elections.
Second, it implies the military and other honorably serving members of police etc. would back such an announcement.
Personally, it's so insipid and insulting it should be a bannable offense if not for my instincts for rebutting inanity / insanity rather than leaving it unanswered.
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So how would Obama seize control of the US?
Win reelection. Obamacare would then be implemented, and at that point, this country will begin its death spiral into commie-controlled destruction.
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Win reelection. Obamacare would then be implemented, and at that point, this country will begin its death spiral into commie-controlled destruction.
Nah
As long as the GOP retains control of the House we could starve it into impotence and Obama wouldn't have the stones to push the issue.
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If he declared martial law, there WOULD be rioting IF a significant number of our military forces showed up to enforce it.
If he did it, and no one came to the party, he'd be even toastier than he is now.
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If he declared martial law, there WOULD be rioting IF a significant number of our military forces showed up to enforce it.
If he did it, and no one came to the party, he'd be even toastier than he is now.
Non-factor, CG. It ain't gonna happen. You aren't getting more than 10% of the military's NCOs to answer bells for a declaration of martial law. And if the NCOs don't move, you can damned sure bet that the men looking to them for direction aren't gonna so much as twitch.
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Non-factor, CG. It ain't gonna happen. You aren't getting more than 10% of the military's NCOs to answer bells for a declaration of martial law. And if the NCOs don't move, you can damned sure bet that the men looking to them for direction aren't gonna so much as twitch.
And since the officers can't move on their own... :whatever:
I assure you kids, there is 1 NCO who would never answer a call to impose national martial law absent the gravest of circumstances (i.e. strategic nuclear exchange) regardless of the president's political affiliations.
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Non-factor, CG. It ain't gonna happen. You aren't getting more than 10% of the military's NCOs to answer bells for a declaration of martial law. And if the NCOs don't move, you can damned sure bet that the men looking to them for direction aren't gonna so much as twitch.
Oh, I agree. I was just "what iffin'". :-)
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And since the officers can't move on their own... :whatever:
The platoon and company level officers are a significant fraction of who I had in mind when I spoke of men who'd be looking for direction from their NCOs. I don't know that it's ever been written - officially - but I know from my own father's experiences that a substantial portion of a senior NCO's job is to teach young officers how to lead their commands. Believe me, (and I'm sure you know from your own experience as well, SSB) throw something essentially as unprecedented as a martial law "declaration" at young men just out of the trade schools, ROTC or OCS, and counsel and guidance from their mentors with all the hash marks on their sleeves is going to be the first thing they're gonna look for; for most of 'em, just to be reminded that their oath is to the CONSTITUTION, and not the President, but they're going to need that affirmation of what their gut will be telling them.