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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: CC27 on November 04, 2011, 08:28:51 PM
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-04-11 08:56 PM
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What THINGS could you give up to make a new world?
Edited on Fri Nov-04-11 09:06 PM by Ken Burch
If the "Occupy" movement were truly to spread, it could, at some point, actually succeed in bringing down the existing social and economic order.
If that happens, most of us(other than the poorest of the poor)would have to make some kinds of material sacrifices in the name of reshaping the world along humane, sustainable, and truly democratic lines.
For a start, what material things could you do without in the name of creating a different world?
For myself, I'd go with
1)The degree of consumer choice that now exists at the grocery store(do we really NEED forty different kinds of vanilla ice cream?).
2)As many new or expensive clothes as middle-class people can afford at this point.
3)Any chance of home ownership(not that I'm likely to own a home anyway, but still).
(I'd suggest that each poster choose three items, as I did, but choose more or less as suits you.)
Just thought this is something people need to be thinking about.
None of your damn business how many flavors of ice cream there are. These idiots drive me crazy. What the hell would any of this make the world better?
Now from this moron.
socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-04-11 09:03 PM
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6. Actually your three look pretty doable for me
Edited on Fri Nov-04-11 09:04 PM by socialist_n_TN
Well the top two anyway. I already own a home or will in another 8 years, but I would give it up if it resulted in a better world. I've got pretty good insurance from my wife's work. I'd give that up for Medicare for All.
Actually the first one is probably the most important. As you said, it's ridiculous the amount of choice a market economy lays on us when there are people who can't afford the basics.
The reason stuff is on the market is because people want it you ****ing DUmmie.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2244656
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I could give up ObamaCare for sure. Let's see, what other sacrifices could I make? Dept. of Energy and Dept. of Education spring to mind.
I know, I know, it's a huge sacrifice and I don't believe in altruism as a way of life, but in this case, I could manage.
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Oh, I dunno.
I'd give up onions, mushrooms, and dead fish, if it made for a better world.
That was easy, because I'd be giving up things I don't like anyway.
I'm sure the primitives would make their own choices this way.
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Why should anyone have to give up anything? There are enough resources in the world for everyone to have plenty as long as people are willing to work for it.
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Hmmmmmm........
1. IRS
2. ATF
3. FDA
4. DHS
5. NEA
That is a start.....
Oh yeah, CFL's, turkey bacon, and childproof caps on Rx bottles.
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I could with much regret and a tear in my eye, give up all the DU'ers. They'd be going to a better place.
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I could with much regret and a tear in my eye, give up all the DU'ers. They'd be going to a better place.
Yes...better for us, anyway!
I also like the list 'Tots posted.
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1. liberals
2. progressives
3. leftists
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-04-11 09:03 PM
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6. Actually your three look pretty doable for me
Edited on Fri Nov-04-11 09:04 PM by socialist_n_TN
Well the top two anyway. I already own a home or will in another 8 years, but I would give it up if it resulted in a better world. I've got pretty good insurance from my wife's work. I'd give that up for Medicare for All.
Actually the first one is probably the most important. As you said, it's ridiculous the amount of choice a market economy lays on us when there are people who can't afford the basics.
Can you spot the lies? Well, one is a lie. The other is just a show of ignorance. Let's look at the lie, shall we?
I would give it up[with it being his/her/its home] if it resulted in a better world.
At first reading it seems to be a most charitable thing, but we have to be a bit suspicious since it was said by a DUmmie. In order to better spot the lie we need to understand the DUmmies in general and this one in specific. The DUmmies, with their hive mind, view these "occupy movements" that are going on as world changing. They are allegedly working (somehow) to make the world better (so they claim). As the DUmmie Socialist_n_TN is posting on DU instead of joining the occupiers it would seem to mean that he/she/it isn't even willing to give up his DUmp time to go to the occupy sites to help make the world better. If he/she/it will not give up his time for a better world, do you really think that he/she/it would give up his home for a better world? Surely not. This means that he/she/it is lying.
But there's more...
One of the things that makes DUmmies interesting (other than their comedy) is their sneakiness and nuances. When you take this into account the DUmmies statement wouldn't be an outright lie, but it also wouldn't really be charitable. To make a determination we need to refer back to the last part of the DUmmie's sentence: if it resulted in a better world, and we need to think about what "a better world" really is in the DUmmie mind. Based on previous evidence from the DUmmies "a better world" usually means more free shit for the DUmmie that is speaking. No one else really matters. In other words, if you were to plug the DUmmie statement I would give it up [the DUmmie home] if it resulted in a better world into the DUmmie to English translator the translation would most likely read: I would give up my home if I got a better, bigger home for free and other free shit to go with it.
So is the DUmmie lying? Is he/she/it demonstrating standard DUmmie greed? Or is it a combination of the two?
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I would respect socialists more if they made an actual attempt not to own any private property. Maybe they couldn't give all their stuff to a government that isn't completely socialist to have it redistributed to them according to their needs but, for Marx's sake, they don't need to own so much personal stuff!
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts)
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6. I've got pretty good insurance from my wife's work. I'd give that up for Medicare for All.
Only in a liberals demented world would they be willing to give up something if they were assured of getting it back.
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1. EPA
2. FTC
3. Obama
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1. liberals
2. progressives
3. leftists
4. Socialist
5. Communist
6. Marxist
7. Maoist
8. Stalinist
9. Leninist
10. MUSLIMS
11. Atheist
12. Democrats
13. Obamaist
14. The Jooooos.....I throw them in the mix only to act as a catalyst to get the war started among the above mentioned groups...they all hate the Jooooos.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-04-11 08:56 PM
Original message
What THINGS could you give up to make a new world?
Edited on Fri Nov-04-11 09:06 PM by Ken Burch
If the "Occupy" movement were truly to spread, it could, at some point, actually succeed in bringing down the existing social and economic order.
Idiot. If the Occupy-idiots actually did manage to bring down the existing social structure, everyone would be giving up food, water, and environment-controlled shelter...not to mention minor things like gasoline for autos, and most jobs. :mental:
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)
What THINGS could you give up to make a new world?
3)Any chance of home ownership(not that I'm likely to own a home anyway, but still).
Now that there is a real selling point for the left. To get the world we want, you will need to give up on the idea of owning your home. The destruction of private property has long been an American socialist dream.
The dreams of the Left have no room for freedom. They are tyrant wannabes.
Free Men and Women with GUNS is why socialism/communism cannot succeed in America.
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Hmmmmmm........
1. IRS
2. ATF
3. FDA
4. DHS
5. NEA
That is a start.....
Oh yeah, CFL's, turkey bacon, and childproof caps on Rx bottles.
EPA
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For the sake of creating a new world I will swear off liver and onions.
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Idiot. If the Occupy-idiots actually did manage to bring down the existing social structure, everyone would be giving up food, water, and environment-controlled shelter...not to mention minor things like gasoline for autos, and most jobs. :mental:
This just in: Video of just such a future...
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1v0uFms68U&ob=av3n[/youtube]
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For the sake of creating a new world I will swear off liver and onions.
Liver, yes, but you'll have to pry the vidalias from my cold dead hands.
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For the sake of creating a new world I will swear off liver and onions.
Can't do that.
You really have to taste liver the way my mother fixes it. :drool:
I'd almost swear off porterhouse before I'd swear off liver. :-)
Almost...
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-04-11 09:03 PM
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6. Actually your three look pretty doable for me
Edited on Fri Nov-04-11 09:04 PM by socialist_n_TN
Well the top two anyway. I already own a home or will in another 8 years, but I would give it up if it resulted in a better world. I've got pretty good insurance from my wife's work. I'd give that up for Medicare for All.
Actually the first one is probably the most important. As you said, it's ridiculous the amount of choice a market economy lays on us when there are people who can't afford the basics.
This Dummie is a liar!(I know they lie all the time) There is no way that, if what he said is true, he would give up great insurance with a choice of doctors, to having the government choose his doctor nad whether or not he gets treated.
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-04-11 10:32 PM
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43. Maybe not all of the rest of them. Maybe only 85% of them.
A single billion people would make this old planet a lot more comfortable for all life.
Oh I see. Genocide.
Then later in the thread this same dummie wants us all to go back to living as if its were the year 1800. You can have 1800-style surgery and dentistry, asshole, but don't foist that shit on me. He wants us to have 15% of the money we have right now, and a whooooole lot less people. This guy's a whacko. This is why we fight.
Hey look! A shout out!
MindPilot (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-06-11 08:34 AM
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102. Whatever.
Nothing like fulfilling the stereotype for the boys over at the ConCave.
Hey MindPilot, we've got girls too! :naughty:
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Hippies. I'd cry a little as I loaded up the shotgun, but I would learn to live in a world without hippies.
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Nutcase nadin is concerned about her cereal, and covering her ass.
I'll bet no one here has given much thought to nadin's ass, I know I haven't.
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-05-11 01:33 PM
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79. I am more picky than you in the food choices
I am with you in the degree of numbers of cereal...only one caveat, I need to keep my store brand corn cereal (food allergies)
Give up on paying for truly cheap crap that comes from around the world. I want to pay more for AMERICAN made. But can we make them full rise, not just half rise? (American Clothing CO talking to you... your variety of pants for men is great, but you need a model for us ladies that don't wear the half rise kind, trust me, I am so there if you do...)
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For myself, I'd go with
1)The degree of consumer choice that now exists at the grocery store(do we really NEED forty different kinds of vanilla ice cream?).
2)As many new or expensive clothes as middle-class people can afford at this point.
3)Any chance of home ownership(not that I'm likely to own a home anyway, but still).
So let me get this straight.... in order for society to "progress" in your view, we have to take society back to the stone ages, or at least the beginning of the industrial revolution? WTF? Just because you're not going to own a home in your life because you're an underachieving loser, you'd be willing to force other people to give up their dreams?
This is why I hate liberals, personally. I swear, the more I read, the more I understand that these aren't just stupid people, they're not even decent people.
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Damn, that reminds me of the U.S.S.R. They didn't have many choices either.
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Damn, that reminds me of the U.S.S.R. They didn't have many choices either.
Yeah, and instead of forty suppliers delivering plenty, they usually had one supplier delivering about half what was actually needed by the consumers.
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Yeah, and instead of forty suppliers delivering plenty, they usually had one supplier delivering about half what was actually needed by the consumers.
Just one of the many benefits of a dedicated central planning team, comrade.
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So many choices but I would go with:
1. 15,000+/- rds of 7.62x54
2. 8,000+/- rds of .223
3. 2,000+/- rds of 12 GA 00
In that order. One at a time.
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So many choices but I would go with:
1. 15,000+/- rds of 7.62x54
2. 8,000+/- rds of .223
3. 2,000+/- rds of 12 GA 00
In that order. One at a time.
The best thing about the 7.62x54R is that it's possible to kill two with one round.
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So many choices but I would go with:
1. 15,000+/- rds of 7.62x54
2. 8,000+/- rds of .223
3. 2,000+/- rds of 12 GA 00
In that order. One at a time.
I haven't weighed a box and then done the math, but I'm guessing you would need a truck to handle that much weight.
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Of course the DUmmie would give those things up, since it lists all the free shit it wants.
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I haven't weighed a box and then done the math, but I'm guessing you would need a truck to handle that much weight.
Before the boating accident I had just over 20,000 rounds in battle packs of 7.62X51 SA and it could be moved with a hand truck. FYI
Edited to add that under Mass Law it is illegal to have >20,000 rounds of ammo in your house without a fire permit, and if you do get a fire permit do not expect the fire dept to show up in the event of a fire.
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The best thing about the 7.62x54R is that it's possible to kill two with one round.
Yes it is.
As to the weight of that store, I would hazard a guess at about 250-275# for the 00, 220-250# for the 223, and 900# fir the 7.62. Collected over many years and much cheaper prices during the 90s. I think I could put most of it in the trunk of my Caddy.
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For myself, I'd go with
1)The degree of consumer choice that now exists at the grocery store(do we really NEED forty different kinds of vanilla ice cream?).
2)As many new or expensive clothes as middle-class people can afford at this point.
3)Any chance of home ownership(not that I'm likely to own a home anyway, but still).
What I took from this is that for their brave new world, this primitive is willing to give up nothing.