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Title: Very uplifting story
Post by: Rebel on May 01, 2008, 08:16:45 PM
CWU Softball Players Help Injured Opponent Touch 'Em All After Homer (http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2008/apr/30/cwu-softball-players-help-injured-opponent-touch/)

Now equate that with the overpaid a-holes in professional "name your sport".
Title: Re: Very uplifting story
Post by: Wretched Excess on May 01, 2008, 08:34:18 PM

ok, I give you the uplifting part.  but this has got to be a chick thing;  guys would
have let another dude flop around in the dust. :-)

this made one of the cable news programs I watched last night.  I forget which one,
but I recognized the photo.
Title: Re: Very uplifting story
Post by: Rebel on May 01, 2008, 08:41:03 PM

ok, I give you the uplifting part.  but this has got to be a chick thing;  guys would
have let another dude flop around in the dust. :-)

this made one of the cable news programs I watched last night.  I forget which one,
but I recognized the photo.


Guess you reaffirm my point. If I were part of the opposing team, I wouldn't want a win like that. The girl deserved a home run.
Title: Re: Very uplifting story
Post by: Chris_ on May 01, 2008, 09:04:56 PM
CWU Softball Players Help Injured Opponent Touch 'Em All After Homer (http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2008/apr/30/cwu-softball-players-help-injured-opponent-touch/)

Now equate that with the overpaid a-holes in professional "name your sport".

w00t! :)
Title: Re: Very uplifting story
Post by: Wretched Excess on May 01, 2008, 09:25:52 PM

ok, I give you the uplifting part.  but this has got to be a chick thing;  guys would
have let another dude flop around in the dust. :-)

this made one of the cable news programs I watched last night.  I forget which one,
but I recognized the photo.


Guess you reaffirm my point. If I were part of the opposing team, I wouldn't want a win like that. The girl deserved a home run.

I was making a joke.  but you sent me to the mlb rule book trying to figure out if there is an MLB rule against
this one.  there are pages of rules governing contact between runners and fielders, but they only pertain to
runners and fielders obstructing each other's ability to do their jobs.

It was a really cool thing that those two young ladies did, no doubt.  but, just for the sake of example, NCAA
football games are won and lost all the time on account of injuries that transpire during the game.  it's just the
way it goes.  it's unfortunate, but it's part of the game.

but I get your point, that real sportsmanship is lost beyond a certain level of sports, and that all professional sports
are well beyond that level. 
Title: Re: Very uplifting story
Post by: Wretched Excess on May 01, 2008, 10:26:04 PM
I found it . . . .

not that it detracts from these young ladies' gesture of sportsmanship, but the ump got the rule wrong.

Quote
8.5.3.2 If an injury to a batter-runner or runner prevents her from
proceeding to an awarded base, the ball is dead and substitution may
be made. The substitute must legally touch all awarded or missed
bases not previously touched.

NCAA women's softball rules (pdf) (http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/PDF/2008_softball_rulesc5a1784f-7f7b-438b-a035-95708c4cf6f2.pdf)

and the same rule applies to MLB:

Quote
5.10 The ball becomes dead when an umpire calls “Time.” The umpire-in-chief shall call “Time”—
.
.
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(c) When an accident incapacitates a player or an umpire;
(1) If an accident to a runner is such as to prevent him from proceeding to a base to which he is entitled, as on a home run hit out of the playing field, or an award of one or more bases, a substitute runner shall be permitted to complete the play.

Official MLB rules (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/official_rules/05_putting_ball_in_play.pdf)

I wasn't sure about the NCAA softball rules, but it didn't sound right as far as the MLB rule book goes when I read
it . . . but the thing is a couple of hundred pages long.  it took a minute.

still, those young ladies are a class act.
Title: Re: Very uplifting story
Post by: Rebel on May 01, 2008, 11:15:08 PM
I was making a joke.  but you sent me to the mlb rule book trying to figure out if there is an MLB rule against
this one.  there are pages of rules governing contact between runners and fielders, but they only pertain to
runners and fielders obstructing each other's ability to do their jobs.

It was a really cool thing that those two young ladies did, no doubt.  but, just for the sake of example, NCAA
football games are won and lost all the time on account of injuries that transpire during the game.  it's just the
way it goes.  it's unfortunate, but it's part of the game.

but I get your point, that real sportsmanship is lost beyond a certain level of sports, and that all professional sports
are well beyond that level. 

What's different between this and a football game is that she already hit the home-run. It was hers, as were the two other runs that she RBIed. Her getting hurt and not being able to finish was nothing more than an antiquated technicality.
Title: Re: Very uplifting story
Post by: Wretched Excess on May 01, 2008, 11:41:14 PM
I was making a joke.  but you sent me to the mlb rule book trying to figure out if there is an MLB rule against
this one.  there are pages of rules governing contact between runners and fielders, but they only pertain to
runners and fielders obstructing each other's ability to do their jobs.

It was a really cool thing that those two young ladies did, no doubt.  but, just for the sake of example, NCAA
football games are won and lost all the time on account of injuries that transpire during the game.  it's just the
way it goes.  it's unfortunate, but it's part of the game.

but I get your point, that real sportsmanship is lost beyond a certain level of sports, and that all professional sports
are well beyond that level. 

What's different between this and a football game is that she already hit the home-run. It was hers, as were the two other runs that she RBIed. Her getting hurt and not being able to finish was nothing more than an antiquated technicality.

yes, it was hers.  even according to the rules.  the problem was an antiquated umpire. :-)

the MLB rule book is comprehensive;  it covers everything imaginable.  it's the product of 100 years
of refinement.  if you can't find it covered in there, you just haven't looked hard enough.  the NCAA
baseball and softball rule books are fairly close spin offs.

still, given the situation that they were confronted with, and the wrong ruling from the umpire, what
Mallory Holtman and Liz Wallace chose to do is no less admirable.  I am glad they thought as quickly
as they did, and prevented the umpire's ignorance of the rules from preventing Sara Tucholsky from
experiencing the thrill of hitting what turned out to be the game winning home run.