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Lady Freedom Returns (57 posts) Wed Oct-26-11 12:13 PM
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Will some one explain why people that are poor keep voting for Republicans?!
I keep hearing people saying that they have to because we need core values. The party they are voting for break Unions and keeps going after services to help the down and out. What is wrong with this picture? Why do they think the Repukes are here to help them! Can someone explain this to me?
HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-26-11 12:14 PM
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1. Guns, flags, and Jesus - all just words, but the ones that get them to vote.
Romulox (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-26-11 12:16 PM
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3. With the Democratic Party having largely abandoned the issue of economic populism, elections
are often fought over symbolic "wedge/culture" issues.
In short, the poor vote for Republicans over culture issues because Democrats don't present a coherent economic message to many parts of the white working class
That is because what you want can never be considered coherent.
OffWithTheirHeads (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-26-11 12:17 PM
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5. Basic cable only has Fox, no MSNBC?
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-26-11 12:17 PM
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6. In this context, "Values" is a polite way of saying "Bigotry." n/t
Aren`t you so clever?.
FarLeftFist (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-26-11 12:20 PM
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7. Also, because the GOP uses fear and hatred to sell their brand and some people eat it all up.
Many people enjoy hating other people. Unfortunately. It goes back to the days of slavery when people who weren't slave owners were in favor of slavery because it bumped their sorry asses up the social ladder a notch. The GOP and its people MUST AT ALL TIMES have a boogeyman. Their is no peaceful utopian vision. Its 100% hate + fear.
Funny,those that have that are the ones who seem to be forever hateful.
RobinA (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-26-11 12:24 PM
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10. Around Here
it's race. No one will ever say it's race, but it's race. They work hard for their money and they don't want any of their hard-earned money going to that lazy black woman with 20 children. (Their thinking, not mine.) That and the fact that they will one day be rich and then they REALLY don't want the government taking their money. God knows, rich people get screwed out of all kinds of money by those socialist liberals.
No DUmbass,it is about having ambition,self respect,pride in accomplishment,freedom from a government that will oppress you because you are of no value to it,loathing those that are at heart common thieves and so on.
The list is long but one has to be able to think to understand,all you vermin do is dream of wealth and freebies.
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Maybe...just maybe there are people out there that don't think the government should DO anything for them.
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I know that this may come as a big shocker to those dipshits{i'm not poor but i am working class} I seem to have a harder time whenever there happens to be a democrat in power in either my state or the country....Wonder why that is????? And BEG? You are absolutely right i just want to be left alone. Conservatives are alot better at that then liberals are.
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In short, the poor vote for Republicans over culture issues because Democrats don't present a coherent economic message to many parts of the white working class
This is true. Unfortunately, however, it's not even logically possible for Democrats to present a coherent economic message given their ideology of socialism. Socialism simply does not work long-term. Hell, it hasn't even worked in this country for a century before it got us into deep shit. If you want a nation that will prosper long-term, and provide the most economic opportunity to the most people, voting republican is the answer.
Poor people that have ambition to not remain poor realize that they need opportunity to succeed. They vote republican. Poor people happy being poor, living off the government dole, hoping that the government will somehow make them rich and provide them with a higher standard of living at the expense of someone else, will vote democrat. One poor person is smart and ambitious, the other immoral and lazy. Immoral and lazy never made any nation prosperous.
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What exactly has the democrat party done for poor people?
I'm sure the answer would be, food stamps, section 8 housing, EITC, and various other government handouts that are available.
However have any of those programs helped people no longer be poor?
The answer is a big NO, in fact the democrats are using poor people as pawns in order to get votes, they will throw you a few scraps, then promise you more if you vote for them, then blame the GOP when you don't get your government issued Mercedes Benz Hybrid.
Many people see through this, and want nothing to do with being dependent on government for everything, they would much rather have control of their own lives and have the government just stay out of it.
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When Joe Biden tells the public that rapes and murders will go up become of republicans isn't using hate and fear. How about when the libs tell old people that the conservatives are going to do away with social security and they are going to end up eating dog food? Is that not spreading a message of fear? Shouting to anybody who'll listen that republicans want dirty air and dirty water... that is not an attempt to sell the public on a fear based policy?
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What exactly has the democrat party done for poor people?
Really, the question is "What exactly has the democrat party done TO poor people?" The answer is 1) keep them poor, and 2) by enacting so much anti-business legislation and taxes, democrats have reduced the opportunity to work one's way out of being poor.
Not to mention that by mandating classes on homosexuality, bestiality, condom use, etc., while dumbing down math and science and eliminating logic, they've robbed poor people of the tools needed to succeed at anything other than breeding.
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Because regardless of how little I have I want to do it myself and I DON'T want the government dictating my life. You people do not understand the independent spirit of America if it means you can't get "stuff" from the government. What the government gives it can also take away. Try thinking for yourself sometimes instead of putting everyone in neat little boxes. Not all conservatives are religious. Conservative values transcend ideology.
Not all blacks & Mexicans need government handouts to live in the squalor they do. Nor do they need special consideration when getting into college or getting a job or promotion (same with women by the way). They just need to choose where they want their children to go to school. Public schools fail their students in poor areas because there's no competition and unions make everything "equal" for all teachers, good and bad. They don't even get to choose their own curriculum. Why bother to strive for excellence when you have no competition?
Oh, and we're not so gullible that we believe politicians who say the pretty words we want to hear. Most of the ultra rich in this country are dems. Like Soros & Warren Buffet (who is fighting the IRS, btw, instead of living his principles and letting the government keep it). Every single one of them who are spewing "we need more taxes on the rich" NEVER send in whatever extra they believe they should be paying more. You're so naive you're willing to put your hope in people who obviously DON'T share your redistribution dreams. Think about it.
Cindie
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Buffett likes the idea of taxing the rich more because what he has already accumulated won't be subject to future tax hikes. He likes the government placing restrictions on who can become as rich as he already is, because in doing so, it helps ensure that Buffett has little to no new competition. That's his motivation. His actions say that he hates paying taxes as much as the next man.
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Oh UGH! poor people vote for the Democrats because Democrats make sure they get handouts, the working poor don't suffer from class envy so a lot of them will vote for Republicans, and the lower middle class and middle class vote for those who want to reign handouts in!
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Lady Freedom Returns (57 posts) Wed Oct-26-11 12:13 PM
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Will some one explain why people that are poor keep voting for Republicans?!
Because they don't want to stay poor, DUmbass.
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I wasted 2 minutes reading their idiotic thread. They're all regurgitating rubbish from Psych and Soc 101, and thinking they're sounding brilliant. They get it completely wrong, as usual.
Lurkers, we're answering the question right here. You'd think you'd really want to know the correct answers. Sun Tzu and all that.
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What exactly has the democrat party done for poor people?
I'm sure the answer would be, food stamps, section 8 housing, EITC, and various other government handouts that are available.
However have any of those programs helped people no longer be poor?
The answer is a big NO, in fact the democrats are using poor people as pawns in order to get votes, they will throw you a few scraps, then promise you more if you vote for them, then blame the GOP when you don't get your government issued Mercedes Benz Hybrid.
Many people see through this, and want nothing to do with being dependent on government for everything, they would much rather have control of their own lives and have the government just stay out of it.
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Unions have even less desire to help poor people than the worst robber-baron cutthroat Capitalist you could name, DUmmies. Their only interest is in protecting their own dues-paying members and getting as much for them as possible, by whatever means necessary including the election of pandering morons and thieves to important public offices where they can 'Fix' things for the unions.
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-26-11 01:27 PM
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31. I'd say it's not about God, Guns & Gays,
it's about all the propaganda to which they are exposed featuring God, Guns & Gays, misrepresenting Democratic positions on those & other things, & generally fueling their rage, which in turn shuts down their frontal functions.
I've just been in too many "discussions" with wingnuts, and too often seen them shut down when confronted with facts contrary to their cherished delusions. It's like a tour of the primitive defense mechanisms--denial, repression, suppression, identification with the abuser…
Please sign up here and have one of these discussions,your idiocy won`t make it past single digit posts.
ChoppinBroccoli (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-26-11 02:10 PM
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32. Because You Can Boil Down Every Republican Policy To One Sentence
And that sentence is: "They're trying to take our shit!!!"
No matter what you're discussing, right-wingers all believe that there is something they have or that they are striving to have (because they deserve it), and that the scary, evil, "others" are constantly trying to take it from them to give it to the undeserving.
Go ahead. Name any policy and see if you can't boil down the Republican position to a frenzied cry of, "They're trying to take our shit!!!"
It works really well for anyone with an inferiority complex or anyone who feels disenfranchised or anyone looking for a scapegoat to pin their own miseries on. That pretty much sums up low-income Republican voters. High-income Republican voters, on the other hand, are very easy to understand--they're voting for their own self-preservation.
You just explained your belief system perfectly.
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DUmmies, you have been putting Dems in office for how long?
Look in the damn mirror.
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constantly trying to take it from them to give it to the undeserving.
That's right. I'm a smack-dab-in-the-middle income Republican, and I do feel like democraticks take my shit away and give it to the undeserving. I don't like that. That makes me work for free, and that's slavery.
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ChoppinBroccoli (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-26-11 02:10 PM
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It works really well for anyone with an inferiority complex or anyone who feels disenfranchised or anyone looking for a scapegoat to pin their own miseries on.
At Fundraiser Obama Blames Bush and Europe For the Country’s Problems
Posted by Jim Hoft on Tuesday, August 9, 2011, 4:46 AM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/08/at-fundraiser-obama-blames-bush-and-europe-for-the-countrys-problems/
Obama Blames Bush One Minute Into Speech
July 25, 2011
http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/07/25/obama-blames-bush-one-minute-speech
Obama Blames Bush and GOP
August 2, 2010, 3:18 PM ET
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/08/02/obama-blames-bush-and-gop/
Obama Sharpens His Reminders That He Inherited Fiscal 'Mess' From Bush
By Scott Wilson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, March 14, 2009
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/13/AR2009031303486.html
DUmmie, squirrel, nut, broken clock, etc.
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32. Because You Can Boil Down Every Republican Policy To One Sentence
And that sentence is: "They're trying to take our shit!!!"
Maybe if you actually worked for what you had, you might resent the hell out of a political party that wants to take whatever they see fit from you and hand it over to someone else. I understand that freedom to you goons means being able to screw whoever you want whenever you want, and get a free abortion if a pregnancy results, other than that you have no desire, nor any understanding of actual freedom. Of course freedom comes with responsibility for your own actions, so I understand why you have no desire for such a thing.
And you can boil down every democrat/ liberal/ progressive/ socialist/ communist policy to one sentence, and that sentence is, Give me free shit, and then give me even more free shit.
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Will some one explain why people that are poor keep voting for Republicans?!
It's real simple DUmmie...they want a chance to be one of the rich. You DUmmies don't/can't/won't/didn't use your chance wisely so you want to block anyone elses chance at economic success.
....and if they fail to be a success, they at least want their kids to have a chance to do better.
Admit it DUmmies, you're all pathetic, jealous, greedy, envious, deadbeat losers.
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The Republicans are the party of the small businessperson, the entrepreneur, the manager, the self-employed worker, the farmer, the family men and women who know the value of saving money, of instilling strong values of patriotism, hard work, self-reliance, personal responsibility, and Judeo-Christian values in their children and grandchildren.
The Democrats are the party of the the lazy, the slothful, the arrogant, the big spenders, the bureaucrat, the elite, the do-gooder idealist, the criminal, the Marxist, and the people who care nothing about working people and families, who are parasites on the real working people in America.
That's why there are many poor people who proudly vote Republican.
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And you can boil down every democrat/ liberal/ progressive/ socialist/ communist policy to one sentence, and that sentence is, Give me free shit, and thengive me even more free shit, then give me your shit.
FIFY.