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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: CG6468 on October 25, 2011, 10:50:37 AM
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Obastard can use this at his discretion at any time he wants to declare a national emergency, whether one exists or not.
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The EAS is a national public warning system that requires broadcasters, cable television systems, wireless cable systems, satellite digital audio radio service (SDARS) providers, and direct broadcast satellite (DBS) providers to provide the communications capability to the President to address the American public during a national emergency.
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Hmmmmmmmm...................... (http://transition.fcc.gov/pshs/services/eas/)
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Obastard can use this at his discretion at any time he wants to declare a national emergency, whether one exists or not.
Hmmmmmmmm...................... (http://transition.fcc.gov/pshs/services/eas/)
Don't they already do this on tv and radio once a month for 30 seconds anyway?
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Frank, you left the ParGen on again, didn't you?
:popcorn:
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Don't they already do this on tv and radio once a month for 30 seconds anyway?
Not this way. This is going to be done on every channel and at the same time . Not sure if it will involve cable channels or not.
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Obastard can use this at his discretion at any time he wants to declare a national emergency, whether one exists or not.
Hmmmmmmmm...................... (http://transition.fcc.gov/pshs/services/eas/)
Hmmmm, thought this happened before when Mars invaded the Earth back in the fifties........
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Frank, you left the ParGen on again, didn't you?
:popcorn:
That thing--the primitive paranoia generator, the ParGen--has been spinning out of control for a while now.
I think the "off" switch is short-circuited, and it can't be turned off.
Kudos to GOBUCKS here, who was the inspiration behind the ParGen, which is perhaps the first fully-operable perpetual-motion machine ever devised.
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Not this way. This is going to be done on every channel and at the same time . Not sure if it will involve cable channels or not.
Correct, the "required" monthly EAS test is a "rolling event", in which there is a designated initiation station that starts the process, and as it's received at the rest of the broadcasters it initiates their test. It's done automatically by the broadcaster's EAS system.
This "National Emergency" test has been done before, usually on about three-year intervals, however in the past it has been done at 2 AM Eastern time..........in other words in the middle of the night, so nobody really notices it......
doc
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I agree w/ Doc that right now, it's a mountain out of a molehill... However, I could see 0bama being tempted to use it to silence opposition or get more free face time on TV. That kind of move, especially if he were behind in the race, would lead to an enormous backlash against him, but since when has he thought of consequences for his actions?
He'd probably only use it to declare marshall law, cancel elections, and announce arrests for political enemies as terrorists.
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I agree w/ Doc that right now, it's a mountain out of a molehill... However, I could see 0bama being tempted to use it to silence opposition or get more free face time on TV. That kind of move, especially if he were behind in the race, would lead to an enormous backlash against him, but since when has he thought of consequences for his actions?
He'd probably only use it to declare marshall law, cancel elections, and announce arrests for political enemies as terrorists.
In that case he'd have to talk really, really fast, as the EAS system will only allow a 55 second message, even for a presidential broadcast. He could get more time on the accompanying scroll (the text the EAS system runs across the bottom of a TV screen during a test), but not much.
It's not designed for a "speech", just for emergency notification.
doc
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Obastard can use this at his discretion at any time he wants to declare a national emergency, whether one exists or not.
So can every other president.
The alternative is to have no system to address the nation in the event of a countrywide emergency.
What do you think he's going to do? Suspend elections? That'd be awesome because we wouldn't have to wait until Jan 2013 to run his ass out of town.
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In that case he'd have to talk really, really fast, as the EAS system will only allow a 55 second message, even for a presidential broadcast. He could get more time on the accompanying scroll (the text the EAS system runs across the bottom of a TV screen during a test), but not much.
It's not designed for a "speech", just for emergency notification.
doc
"This is your president. Due to civil unrest in this country, I am declaring martial law."
Much less than 55 seconds. And I'm sure his geeks could alter the program to give him whatever he wants.
Cable stations don't do the notifications now, but that will change on 11/9.
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Settle down, Francis.
Martial law implies he has a military that would follow the order. If you even hint that the army would accept such orders you will unleash a torrent of rabbity wrath the likes of which has not been seen since the cancellation of Jazzercize on Showtime.
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In that case he'd have to talk really, really fast, as the EAS system will only allow a 55 second message, even for a presidential broadcast. He could get more time on the accompanying scroll (the text the EAS system runs across the bottom of a TV screen during a test), but not much.
It's not designed for a "speech", just for emergency notification.
doc
So basically, if TOTUS wasn't up, about all we'd hear is:
"I, uh...my, zombies, errrrr, my fellow Americans, uh, let me be clear, uh, I inherited from previous administration, uh, ummmm, shit."
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So basically, if TOTUS wasn't up, about all we'd hear is:
"I, uh...my, zombies, errrrr, my fellow Americans, uh, let me be clear, uh, I inherited from previous administration, uh, ummmm, shit."
That sounds very accurate!
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God forbid we ever have some kind of national emergency and the ****ing TelePrompTer breaks. What a mess that would be.
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Wait, what?? what's supposed to happen on 11/9?? I will be out at sea on some deserted island comatosed on pina coladas.... :-)
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Wait, what?? what's supposed to happen on 11/9?? I will be out at sea on some deserted island comatosed on pina coladas.... :-)
Your TV is supposed to molest you while you're sleeping. But you'll be okay... you're on a boat somewhere. A boat filled with TVs.
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Your TV is supposed to molest you while you're sleeping. But you'll be okay... you're on a boat somewhere. A boat filled with TVs.
And all the screens will have this on them:
(http://members.fortunecity.com/somniphobe/clownz/ouchy2.jpg)
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And all the screens will have this on them:
(http://members.fortunecity.com/somniphobe/clownz/ouchy2.jpg)
all i see is a tan square with a tiny white box with a red x
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all i see is a tan square with a tiny white box with a red x
Be afraid. Be very afraid. (http://www.ouchytheclown.com/)
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In that case he'd have to talk really, really fast, as the EAS system will only allow a 55 second message, even for a presidential broadcast. He could get more time on the accompanying scroll (the text the EAS system runs across the bottom of a TV screen during a test), but not much.
It's not designed for a "speech", just for emergency notification.
doc
55 Seconds?!!
Not much time, all you can really say is:
Announcer: We interupt this broadcast to bring you an emergency message from the President.
President: AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Announcer: That concludes our emergency Broadcast. Please kiss you a$$ goodbye.
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In that case he'd have to talk really, really fast, as the EAS system will only allow a 55 second message, even for a presidential broadcast. He could get more time on the accompanying scroll (the text the EAS system runs across the bottom of a TV screen during a test), but not much.
It's not designed for a "speech", just for emergency notification.
doc
According to Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/eas.asp) there is no time limit for a national test.
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11/9 - 9/11
Just flip the numbers. Conspiracy!
I do think it's odd, however, they want to do this test in the middle of the day. Keep it to 2am EST. I'll be at work either way, so it's not like they will be interrupting my Judge Mathis or People's Court or anything like that.
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According to Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/eas.asp) there is no time limit for a national test.
Snopes is full of crap.......the EAS equipment (built to FCC regulations) only has a buffer large enough to store 55 seconds of speech at a time before another test must be initiated by the alert tones.
System capacity:
Alert tones - 5 seconds (digitally encoded with the "type" of alert)
Message content - 55 seconds (unless transfered directly to NOAA's sutomated weather alert system, which provides the audio externally)
Cutoff tones - 5 seconds (resetting the equipment to a ready state)
There are four levels of "priority" that can be encoded into the alert tones:
1.) Emergency (immediate action)
2.) Warning (notification of an impending event)
3.) Watch (Notification of a "possible" event)
4.) Advisory (General event information)
A national emergency alert can refer the viewer/listener to a broadcast immediately following the test, which the feds can commandeer and air live in regular broadcast mode.
The equipment itself is audio only, and will generate a text message (Chyron graphic file), which TV stations run as a crawl at the bottom or top of the screen. The equipment can be programmed to repeat the same message over and over for a long period of time (such as emergency weather alerts), but it is still limited to a finite quantity of information. There is NO video capability in the system.
It IS possible for the feds to use the NOAA weather system to provide an extended audio message to the equipment externally, however the code for a "National Alert" will not do that automatically, it must be placed into "manual" mode which can only be done by an operator at each and every station.
The "manual" mode is designed for emergency notifications of only local interest......"Amber Alerts" are an example of a use of the system for this purpose.
There is nothing particularly ominous about the EAS system at the individual broadcast station level.......it's simply a box in the equipment rack, measuring about three inches high, nineteen inches wide, and about (depending on manufacturer) eight inches deep. It typically contains three radio receivers.......one tuned to the "key" station (typically AM, depending on geographic area), a backup (typically FM, agan depending on area), and the third tuned to the NOAA automated weather radio transmissions (in the 110 MHz band). It also contains cheap-ass date/time clock, a microprocesser board, and less than one meg of RAM, with very simple firmware, which is designed to decode the alert tones and store the audio message, a Chyron generator, an audio amp, and a small speaker.
It is wired into the stations audio signal chain, so that when automatically activated it will "preempt", or override regular programming, and air what it is receiving from elsewhere, up to the limits of its design.
To broadcasters, they are basically a pain in the ass......primarily due to the fact that when the FCC wrote the specs, they failed to include a quartz clock, so the time has to constantly be reset to be accurate, because if the clock is wrong, the firmware is designed to interpret an alert whose time code is more than five minutes different than the built-in clock to be "expired", and will be ignored by the system. Each unit also contains a tiny thermal printer, which prints out an adding machine sized written notice of each alert, which is to be filed daily with the stations operating logs, per FCC regs. The printer is particularly annoying because here in "tornado alley", after a storny night, it is not unusual to come in in the morning to find fifteen feet of paper printouts hanging out of the device,
I know....WAY too much information, but I thought it important that the reader understand exactly what the system is......and isn't.......
doc
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I know Snopes isn't too good, but it was the easiest to find. Still I have to wonder if Snopes interpreted the following to mean that the feds didn't have a time limit.
A national emergency alert can refer the viewer/listener to a broadcast immediately following the test, which the feds can commandeer and air live in regular broadcast mode.
The commandeer part makes it sound like the government can take over the air waves.
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I know Snopes isn't too good, but it was the easiest to find. Still I have to wonder if Snopes interpreted the following to mean that the feds didn't have a time limit.
The commandeer part makes it sound like the government can take over the air waves.
They can.......they grant the licenses, and a part of that process guarantees that they can require stations to broadcast whatever they want in the case of a national emergency......the question is who defines what a "national emergency" actually is?
doc
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And all the screens will have this on them:
(http://members.fortunecity.com/somniphobe/clownz/ouchy2.jpg)
:redx:
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(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd445/JansGraphix/telecom.jpg)
Emergency Alert System: Why US is doing first national test now (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/1109/Emergency-Alert-System-Why-US-is-doing-first-national-test-now)
Today at 2 p.m. Eastern time on Wednesday Americans watching television or listening to the radio will see and hear a familiar sounding message: "This is a test of the Emergency Alert System. This is only a test...."
This 30-second audio tone and message will sound like emergency test messages that local television and radio stations have broadcast for nearly 50 years. But Wednesday's test will be the first time the federal Emergency Alert System – a last resort means for the president to address the country in a national emergency – has been tested on a national basis. >>>
There are 14,000-plus broadcast television and radio stations, as well as 10,000-plus cable television systems in the EAS.
George Orwell was a visionary, apparently. "Never let a crisis go to waste" - right?
Phones and Internet to be targeted next ...
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(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd445/JansGraphix/alert.jpg)
Where’s an Emergency Alert System for the Internet and the phone? (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/wheres-an-emergency-alert-system-for-the-internet-and-the-phone/2011/11/09/gIQAlYGR5M_blog.html)
At 2 p.m. Wednesday afternoon, television programs and radio shows will be interrupted with a familiar message: “This is a test. This is only a test.â€
It will be the first time the Federal Emergency Management Agency has attempted to alert the entire nation at once with its Emergency Alert System. While the program hopes to reach as many people as possible as quickly as possible, two means of communication are still missing from the system: the Internet and mobile phones. >>>
FEMA launched a national alert system for phones in May, called PLAN, that reaches some smartphones on some national providers. >>>
As for Internet alerts, they work mainly on an opt-in basis. FEMA has an iPad and Android app and Twitter and Facebook accounts. However, this system of requiring Americans to actively seek out FEMA differs dramatically from the PLAN system or the Emergency Alert System. The alert system pushes messages out to Americans whether they want them or not. FEMA works with cable providers to get the word out.
It would be interesting to see the agency undertaking something similar in partnerships with major Internet companies. Could it be possible for the Google logo to turn into an alert message? Or for Twitter’s promoted ads — which appear in user timelines — to be a message from FEMA?
What the government has the power to grant, the government also has the power to take away. If you think about it, dictatorial control of mass media is an awesome power. "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."
Dang lucky to live in a country with a Second Amendment right to bear arms. For the moment anyways.
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How does an emergency alert system equate to a national dictatorship?
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How does an emergency alert system equate to a national dictatorship?
How does 'dictatorial control of mass media' equate to 'a national dictatorship'? :confused:
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How does 'dictatorial control of mass media' equate to 'a national dictatorship'? :confused:
Quit being an obtuse ****, you ****. You wanna play stupid little games we can but I'm pretty damned sure you'll be the one running crying (have you hit that alert link yet?).
OK, so you hate Obama. We all do, but save the paranoid ramblings. There's nothing inherently evil or anti-freedom about an EAS any more than its anti-freedom to have a standing army. There's lots of things I would not give a dictator but I'd gladly give those same things to a duly American president...and his successors.
This nation is bigger than Obama. If it isn't it wouldn't be worth a squirt of piss.
So Obama can get on the airwaves and say whatever he wants. Bully **** for him. What's he gonna do with it? Claim he's now president for life and the elections are cancelled?
It'd be his last ****ing mistake and our saving grace. Would that the paste-eater-in-chief actually try.
No one would back his play (go ahead and say the US military would accept that order...I double-dog ****ing dare you). Even 80% of the dems would desert him so he'd be impeached at a minimum.
How does an emergency alert system become dictatorial control of the mass media?
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Hmm.. a bit foul today, eh?
Doin' a lot a 'assumin' today I see too.
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Hmm.. a bit foul today, eh?
Today?
Doin' a lot a 'assumin' today I see too.
No, it's pretty obvious.
You're an obtuse ****.
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This was probably a coincidence, but our electricity was flickering at work at 11am PST/2pm EST. I just thought it was an odd time for the power to go out.
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Really? We're having this discussion here?
:panic: :panic: :panic: :panic: :panic: :panic: :panic: :panic: :panic: :panic: :panic: :panic: :panic: :panic:
I expect these at DU regularly. Hell, even FR cut its teeth on the Y2K fizzle so it's part of the institutional culture.
But here? With probably the highest ration of military (active/retired/spouse) to be found? Over a test?
When there's a consensus of military folks start getting nervous, then it probably makes sense to start paying attention. Before that, meh.
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Still have the last resort option....on/off button... :-)
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Still have the last resort option....on/off button... :-)
But then how will you know Obama covernted the Oval Office into a throne room?
As soon as he makes the announcement we have to pay homage and stuff or something strangely undefined will happen...maybe...or something.
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But then how will you know Obama covernted the Oval Office into a throne room?
As soon as he makes the announcement we have to pay homage and stuff or something strangely undefined will happen...maybe...or something.
One of many friends will call and simply say, "Road Trip".... :-)
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Just for everyone's information......the test FAILED.......55 seconds of "dead air", and a blank screen on the TV stations (at least here).
The "National Emergency" trigger system could not pass the data for the notification. Broadcasters equipment went to alert mode.....timed out.....and went back to normal.
Apparently under Obama, this particular EAS test works about as well as everything else that he's tried to do........
The entire broadcast world is laughing their asses off right now.
doc
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:nelson:
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Just for everyone's information......the test FAILED.......55 seconds of "dead air", and a blank screen on the TV stations (at least here).
The "National Emergency" trigger system could not pass the data for the notification. Broadcasters equipment went to alert mode.....timed out.....and went back to normal.
Apparently under Obama, this particular EAS test works about as well as everything else that he's tried to do........
The entire broadcast world is laughing their asses off right now.
doc
So what happens if you stage a coup and nobody hears you?
OBAMA: So, everybody in the US now knows I'm president for life, right?
[technicians look nervously at each other]
TECH: Er, yes, Mr. President.
OBAMA: Fine. Fine. Tell Michelle I'm down at the local Whole Foods.
TECH: Yes, sir, Mr. President. Would you make mine a triple decker with extra cheese and bacon and a side of chili fries?
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:nelson:
Yeah.....particularly since past "national tests" have been done at 2 AM eastern time, so if the equipment screws up, nobody iis the wiser.......but NOOOOOOOO
These fools insisted on doing it in the middle of the day, and broadcasting multiple promos to the event beforehand........
Nothing like having egg on one's face in front of God and everybody.....I wouldn't want to be in the Chairman of the FCC's shoes right now......
doc
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Nothing like having egg on one's face in front of God and everybody.....I wouldn't want to be in the Chairman of the FCC's shoes right now...
I hear he's a dick anyway.
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I had the radio on eagerly awaiting big brother's take over of the airwaves, and nothing happened at all, we didn't even get the 55 seconds of dead air, it went straight from commercial to the top of the hour news.
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Based on my intel, the EAS test was a test used to broadcast signal for rabbits, ermines, and gyrfalcons to destroy humanity.
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Based on my intel, the EAS test was a test used to broadcast signal for rabbits, ermines, and gyrfalcons to destroy humanity.
YOU SHUTCHER FILTHY BEAK!!!
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YOU SHUTCHER FILTHY BEAK!!!
The truth hurts doesn't it?