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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: CG6468 on October 18, 2011, 08:54:08 AM
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The Occupy Wall Street protests have slowly evolved into a global insurrection against capitalism
Global Socialist Revolution
Author - Douglas V. Gibbs Saturday, October 15, 2011
Nikita Khrushchev addressed the capitalists in 1956, and said, “We will bury you.†He was not referring to the Soviet Union necessarily burying The West. He was saying that communism would bury The West. “History is on our side,†he said. Indeed, Khrushchev was right.
The Founding Fathers of the United States were quite aware of history, and in their research they determined that the only government that may stand the test of time, and fight off the advances of oligarchy such as we see in governmental philosophies like communism, is a constitutional republic where self-governance and a central system worked together.
The system of representation would divide the power not only through the separation of powers between the three branches of government, but also a division of power that extended to dividing the power between the federal government, the people, and the States. Only powers necessary for the protection, and preservation, of the union would be granted to the federal government. The remaining powers would be reserved to the States, and to the people.
The founders recognized that history revealed that all governments of history eventually deteriorated into an oligarchy. To avoid the emergence of a government where the many ruled over the few, those early patriots had to do everything they could to fend off the advances of statism, and democracy. The States, or more specifically State Sovereignty, in addition to keeping this nation virtuous, were among the keys necessary in enabling this nation to survive the onslaught of statism.
A nation that believes in God recognizes that our rights are given to us by Him, not government
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After more than two centuries of a liberal assault on the American system of governance, we are on the verge of losing it
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Rome is the latest to join the growing worldwide revolution that is demanding Marxism, and a new system of global communism
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The final push by the leftists will be for the Democrats, backed by their liberal base, to use the Occupy Now protests against conservatives
The "occupiers" (aka urban terrorists) cannot even articulate the reasons for their protests, nor what they want, while the communist party, the unions, the American nazis and obastard and the dimbos support and encourage them.
What a sick world.
Will the communists win? (http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/41353)
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First, Kruschev was a moron. Reagan knew the Soviets couldn't compete against an unleashed West and he proved it in 8 years.
I don't think "urban terrorist" is a totally accurate description. For those socialists operating outside the US they aren't really our concern unless they make efforts to infiltrate the US political system. If they do so to lend aid to US socialists trying to distort the US political system then they are simply infiltrators and they should be sent packing/cut-off. If, however, the try to graft US citizens to a movement beyond the US then they are invaders and those US citizens aiding them are treasonous.
As for the US citizens working towards socialist ends in the US: as stated, if they are working to graft into a foreign movement they are traitors. Most will claim to be US minded if for no other reason than pragmatic PR framing.
That still makes them seditious.
The US government has an obligation to protect the rights of all US citizens under the constitution and those who advocate overturning our republican form of government, nullifying due process and property rights, etc are advocating sedition.
Urban terror may be a tactic (this is G W Bush's failing, NOT calling the GWoT the Global War on Radical Islam) but it does nothing to describe the enemy. We didn't declare war on Japanese aviators after Pearl Harbor we declared war on the empire of Japan who employed aviators to inflict acts of violence to obtain their strategic goals.
I think "Global Socialists" is a fair label. If they aren't a cohesive force they certainly *want* to be a cohesive force but even then I do not think they are much to be feared.
Yes, they can do damage and they certainly will but war is a competitive enterprise that requires responsiveness and innovation from the leaders and hard labor on the part of the workers who must see more value than sacrifice for their endeavors.
The little paste-eaters in those parks have no motive EXCEPT to see how much they can gain for the least amount fo effort. They eschew competitiveness in the name of some ephemeral, unqualifiable quality known only as "fairness." When asked to sacrifice 6 years of their lives to study some valuable skill such as engineering or business management they chose 4 years of poetry and literature; and a very narrow range of authors at that.
Gulliver need only sit-up to send these Liliputians scattering.
Oh, and when this motley band of mini-midgets has been dispensed we will be assailed by yet another group or empire or movement. It has always been thus. There will never be peace in the world, only the pause you use to reload before the next would-be malcontent decides he wants to step-up and take his chance. We could sweep away the jihadists only to find the socialists at our throats. And once we deal with them we will find China moving to overtake other nations. Then while we contend with them Russia will be acting-up in absence of our attention.
To seek a world without conflict and war is to seek a society without criminals and predators. It doesn't matter how nice you are or how fair you engineer your society there will always be those who would rather take than earn. Imagine if smoeone came to you and said, "I do not want to overturn the 2nd Amendment, I want to make a world where the 2ndA is obselete."
Could you even take that person seriously?
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Nikita Khrushchev addressed the capitalists in 1956, and said, “We will bury you.†He was not referring to the Soviet Union necessarily burying The West. He was saying that communism would bury The West. “History is on our side,†he said. Indeed, Khrushchev was right.
:orly:
How's that Global Communism thing workin' out, anyway?
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It's odd to see them protesting for more socialism, when in fact it is the economic effects of socialism that cause the economic conditions they're railing against. A bit of cognative dissonance and ignorance here?
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It's odd to see them protesting for more socialism, when in fact it is the economic effects of socialism that cause the economic conditions they're railing against. A bit of cognative dissonance and ignorance here?
Mama always said stupid is as stupid does.
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It's odd to see them protesting for more socialism, when in fact it is the economic effects of socialism that cause the economic conditions they're railing against. A bit of cognative dissonance and ignorance here?
My vote is on the ignorance. Profound, total ignorance.
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It's odd to see them protesting for more socialism, when in fact it is the economic effects of socialism that cause the economic conditions they're railing against. A bit of cognative dissonance and ignorance here?
Socialist effects on the American economy? :rofl:
Are you unfamiliar with what socialism is, or are you unfamiliar with the American economy?
Government control =/= socialism. The welfare state =/= socialism.
If government control is socialism, then the US has been socialist since 1775 with the establishment of the US postal service. If the welfare state is socialism then nearly every country on earth is socialist. If universal health care is socialist then every modern nation on Earth besides the US and Mexico are socialist nations.
The word gets thrown around loosely in the US. Socialism is a mode of production, it's not the degree of state intervention in the economy. Mussolini wasn't a socialist, neither was Franco, neither is Putin. In the 20th century, socialism became synonymous with Leninism in the US. The communist revolutions of this era all followed a Marxist-Leninist template. The USSR, China, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba etc all took a vanguardist approach to implementing socialism.
As for the original topic:
Will the communists win?
yes, global communism is inevitable. When you imagine the world 50, 100, 200 years from now do you see individuals owning bits of land and having other individuals produce for the land owners? Or do you see a cooperative society without individual ownership of the means of production? Our supply of cheap labor isn't going to last forever, eventually capitalism will be impossible. Capitalism will come to an end before human labor is entirely automated.
:cheersmate:
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Seconded. :popcorn:
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Socialist effects on the American economy? :rofl:
Are you unfamiliar with what socialism is, or are you unfamiliar with the American economy?
Government control =/= socialism. The welfare state =/= socialism.
If government control is socialism, then the US has been socialist since 1775 with the establishment of the US postal service. If the welfare state is socialism then nearly every country on earth is socialist. If universal health care is socialist then every modern nation on Earth besides the US and Mexico are socialist nations.
The word gets thrown around loosely in the US. Socialism is a mode of production, it's not the degree of state intervention in the economy. Mussolini wasn't a socialist, neither was Franco, neither is Putin. In the 20th century, socialism became synonymous with Leninism in the US. The communist revolutions of this era all followed a Marxist-Leninist template. The USSR, China, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba etc all took a vanguardist approach to implementing socialism.
As for the original topic:
yes, global communism is inevitable. When you imagine the world 50, 100, 200 years from now do you see individuals owning bits of land and having other individuals produce for the land owners? Or do you see a cooperative society without individual ownership of the means of production? Our supply of cheap labor isn't going to last forever, eventually capitalism will be impossible. Capitalism will come to an end before human labor is entirely automated.
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You are only emphasizing Albert Einstein's observation that human stupidity is infinite. If Einstein was right then so are you.
The only thing is people become Marxists via indoctrination, not education. Therefore human stupidity is a condition forced upon the individual and Einstein and you are incorrect.
Your world can only come about by murdering millions of people who want nothing to do with you. And I don't think you are prepared for that, do you? Your time passed when Bolivia executed Ernesto.
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You are only emphasizing Albert Einstein's observation that human stupidity is infinite. If Einstein was right then so are you.
The only thing is people become Marxists via indoctrination, not education. Therefore human stupidity is a condition forced upon the individual and Einstein and you are incorrect.
It's like you saw my username and jumped right to a response without reading my post.
Your world can only come about by murdering millions of people who want nothing to do with you. And I don't think you are prepared for that, do you? Your time passed when Bolivia executed Ernesto.
I found this part amusing. As if global capitalism didn't come about via murdering millions of people who want nothing to do with capitalism.
Education vs. indoctrination? You may be on to something there.
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It's like you saw my username and jumped right to a response without reading my post.
There you go again, making assumptions. You are like that girl who can't stop admiring her reflection in every shop window she passes by.
Your argument isn't as compelling as you think.
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There you go again, making assumptions. You are like that girl who can't stop admiring her reflection in every shop window she passes by.
Your argument isn't as compelling as you think.
So then capitalism is just going to thrive forever and ever living happily ever after?
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So then capitalism is just going to thrive forever and ever living happily ever after?
No, only until humans reject that whole human nature thing of wanting the things that make life more survivable (ie more or better food), then more comfortable (bigger, better house), then convey higher social status (nicer car)
Those elements of human nature existed in the USSR and Red China. How did Stalin and Mao deal with them? (Hint: it involved prisons and the deaths of millions)
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So then capitalism is just going to thrive forever and ever living happily ever after?
As long as there is free will and an environment where free will thrives.
If you are a socialist, do you live like a socialist? Or do you just dream of being a socialist like a little boy might dream of being Superman?
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Sigh............
Another one.............. :loser:
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Sigh............
Another one.............. :loser:
Yeah. I wish trolls would open their own threads instead of hijacking existing ones.
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The little paste-eaters in those parks have no motive EXCEPT to see how much they can gain for the least amount fo effort. They eschew competitiveness in the name of some ephemeral, unqualifiable quality known only as "fairness." When asked to sacrifice 6 years of their lives to study some valuable skill such as engineering or business management they chose 4 years of poetry and literature; and a very narrow range of authors at that.
Bottom line of the socialist is, "Through laziness and stupidity I have ****ed up my life. And now because of my greed, jealousy, envy and hatred of those who haven't ****ed up there life and have gone on to do much better than myself...myself and others demand that government make their lives as miserable and unrewarding as ours. If I can't have it , neither should he."
Spread the wealth HELL! Spread the misery is what he really meant.
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yes, global communism is inevitable.
I love shooting Communists dead.
Understand one thing Askasocialistmoron: As long as good freedom loving men and women own guns, we will gladly drag you and your ilk into the streets and execute you.
Communism cannot exist where free men bear arms.
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I spent the first 15 years of my Army career waiting to go tank to tank with the f*cking Communists on the North German Plain against very bad odds if it ever came to that (And young people now have no idea just how real that prospect was), or sitting on strategic missile targets they had had dialed in for years. There is no way in Hell I'm going to vote in the cocksuckers or their little brothers, the Socialists.
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I spent the first 15 years of my Army career waiting to go tank to tank with the f*cking Communists on the North German Plain against very bad odds if it ever came to that (And young people now have no idea just how real that prospect was), or sitting on strategic missile targets they had had dialed in for years. There is no way in Hell I'm going to vote in the cocksuckers or their little brothers, the Socialists.
Amen!
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I love shooting Communists dead.
Understand one thing Askasocialistmoron: As long as good freedom loving men and women own guns, we will gladly drag you and your ilk into the streets and execute you.
Communism cannot exist where free men bear arms.
The first thing commies/socialists do is to disarm the populace. They can have my guns - after I've fired my last shot and they can pry them from my cold, dead hands.
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I spent the first 15 years of my Army career waiting to go tank to tank with the f*cking Communists on the North German Plain against very bad odds if it ever came to that (And young people now have no idea just how real that prospect was), or sitting on strategic missile targets they had had dialed in for years. There is no way in Hell I'm going to vote in the cocksuckers or their little brothers, the Socialists.
Amen from me as well.....
Many here either have directly, or had family members looking down the bore of socialist/communist rifles from places like the Chosin Reservoir, Tet Offensive, Grenada, Central America, and a dozen other places........even more recently, we've had board members serving at the DMZ in Korea.......
It's doubtful that our new friend will find a receptive ear for these philosophies even if couched in somewhat benign economic terms. We are all aware that whatever the stripe, they all end up in the same place........totalitarianism, misery and genocide.........it happens every time it's attempted.
My questions for "AskaSocialist" would simply be........are you just one of those unfortunate souls that firmly believe that so far it's just been the incorrect people in charge when these grand experiments are attempted?
Next time, they'll get it right, and a workers paradise will indeed emerge?
Assuming Americans choose not to forgo their existing freedoms for a more "enlightened" economic/political system, and a significant percentage of us are armed to the teeth, how do you propose to accomplish such a goal?
Do you seriously believe that protests like OWS will accomplish anything? (HINT: the stock exchange is still opening on schedule every working day, and the protests have neither effected my portfolio nor my bank balance, and they never will).
Union activity/general strike? (HINT: union membership in the US has been plummeting for the past three decades, and now totals about 8% of the workforce.......a "general strike" would only affect those depending on government, or living in the liberal urban areas.......the rest of us could give a crap)
Armed insurrection? (HINT: We're uniquely experienced in coping with that sort of thing)
Indoctrination/propaganda? (HINT: that's been going on here for years in both our schools and the media, and it hasn't worked yet........citizens have an annoying habit of eventually "growing up" and looking reality in the eye.....we tend to be a pragmatic bunch)
Elucidate us, wise one, how will this marvel unfold in the next 50 - 100 years?
doc
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The first thing commies/socialists do is to disarm the populace. They can have my guns - after I've fired my last shot and they can pry them from my cold, dead hands.
They take your guns and your God, then make you worship the state, that is why the first and second amendments are so important for keeping tyranny out.
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yes, global communism is inevitable.
and one more thing. B!tch slap for being a socialist commie b!tch.
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yes, global communism is inevitable.
For as long as man's inherent state is freedom, communism will have to kill and imprison to acquire and maintain its power. For as long as we are hardwired to protect and enjoy our freedom, communism will never take a free people. For as long as the common man is armed and willing to protect himself, you and yours will never know success on this soil.
I advise you, DUmmie, to heed my words: Abandon this line of thought before you get the thunder that comes with "revolution" and the blood you and your comrades desire to run in the streets ends up being your own.
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Socialist effects on the American economy? :rofl:
Are you unfamiliar with what socialism is, or are you unfamiliar with the American economy?
No, and no. Are you denying that there are socialist elements to the American economy? Government guaranteed pensions, medical care, retirement, high regulation, etc? Perhaps you're the ignorant one.
Government control =/= socialism. The welfare state =/= socialism.
False. It's degrees of socialism, particularly to the extent that the government gets into the business of providing private goods such as an income, health services, student loans, venture capital loans, etc.
If government control is socialism, then the US has been socialist since 1775 with the establishment of the US postal service. If the welfare state is socialism then nearly every country on earth is socialist. If universal health care is socialist then every modern nation on Earth besides the US and Mexico are socialist nations.
All are elements of socialism, and nobody that I'm aware of has ever claimed that there has been a purely capitalistic society within recent history. Just pointing out that the more government moves toward socialism, the worse it becomes for everyone. Your argument is a red herring.
The word gets thrown around loosely in the US. Socialism is a mode of production, it's not the degree of state intervention in the economy. Mussolini wasn't a socialist, neither was Franco, neither is Putin. In the 20th century, socialism became synonymous with Leninism in the US. The communist revolutions of this era all followed a Marxist-Leninist template. The USSR, China, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba etc all took a vanguardist approach to implementing socialism.
The US has become by degrees more socialistic than it was in 1776. Frankly, I've seen the No True Socialist fallacy used before, and I don't find your version very compelling or clever.
As for the original topic:
yes, global communism is inevitable. When you imagine the world 50, 100, 200 years from now do you see individuals owning bits of land and having other individuals produce for the land owners? Or do you see a cooperative society without individual ownership of the means of production? Our supply of cheap labor isn't going to last forever, eventually capitalism will be impossible. Capitalism will come to an end before human labor is entirely automated.
Capitalism is always and will always be possible. Nothing humans can do can make capitalism not possible.
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Well, at least Askasocialist knew when he was defeated. I'm hoping he is questioning his assumptions and having it out with his Marxist professors who over charged him to indoctrinate him.
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I spent the first 15 years of my Army career waiting to go tank to tank with the f*cking Communists on the North German Plain against very bad odds if it ever came to that (And young people now have no idea just how real that prospect was), or sitting on strategic missile targets they had had dialed in for years. There is no way in Hell I'm going to vote in the cocksuckers or their little brothers, the Socialists.
Hear, hear.
I spent the better part of my youth from the ages of 17-30 either sitting on one of those missile platforms, or on submarines whose job it was to kill their missile platforms and anything else that might conceivably be used to project power beyond their shores. I have no intention of handing over a country I defended for over half my adult life to someone who would eagerly piss on it given half a chance.
Not only no, commie shitstain, but **** NO.