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Title: WAR NUMBER FOUR. Iran?
Post by: Mr Mannn on October 12, 2011, 06:15:10 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/13/us/iran-sees-terror-plot-accusation-as-diversion-from-wall-street-protests.html?_r=2&hp
From Drudge: Drums of War, Its the headline.

Looks like the Saudis will cooperate with us if we only have the courage to do what is right.

My Opinion: Its been discussed that Obama may launch another war to save his Presidency. And its another way to spend money he doesn't have....money no one will lend to him.

I've no made up my mind on this but I can see both sides. Personally I'm siding with Obama the timid right now...but what do you think? Is this admin capable to wagging the dog?
Title: Re: WAR NUMBER FOUR. Iran?
Post by: FreeBorn on October 12, 2011, 06:25:24 PM
The time for that was 1979.

Title: Re: WAR NUMBER FOUR. Iran?
Post by: Rugnuts on October 13, 2011, 07:19:06 AM
i have full faith in whatever the UN thinks is best


 :stirpot:
Title: Re: WAR NUMBER FOUR. Iran?
Post by: Eupher on October 13, 2011, 07:49:39 AM
Quote from: Rugnuts on October 13, 2011, 07:19:06 AM
i have full faith in whatever the UN thinks is best


 :stirpot:

Oooooh, that's gonna leave a mark.  :-)

Seriously, there's no way in hell Obama is going to go to war with Iran. Not now, not ever. It was all he could to do to dodge his mini-war in Libya by dumping the problem in NATO's lap.

Strategically, a ground war against Iran would be very, very difficult and very, very expensive -- both in terms of expense and lives lost. An air-only campaign would be only superficially successful and that right there would be tried in the court of world opinion and the U.S. would lose.

I just don't believe the American people have the will to fight Iran, even as Iran joins the nuke club.

Far more likely, indeed probably has been going on for some time now, clandestine operations against Iran that we'll never hear about, even with Wikileaks going on.
Title: Re: WAR NUMBER FOUR. Iran?
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on October 13, 2011, 08:38:48 AM
In any real legal sense, the Saudis have a casus belli, not us, and they don't seem to want war over it.  We aren't doing shit overtly unless the UN authorizes force, and though Obama may ask for it, after the overreaching Colonialist Cluster**** that Libya became, I don't see the UN General Assembly authorizing use of force with us involved in it for a long time, even assuming he somehow prevented the ChiComs and Russkiis from vetoing it in the Security Council.

So yeah, he'd probably love to do something to get a poll bounce, however he's kind of a prisoner of all his past commitment to the UN and Bush-blaming on previous foreign policy decisions, so I don't think it's gonna happen.

I also don't think anything short of glassing the place would actually accomplish a damned thing, in fact it would invalidate any internal opposition still limping along as 'Tools of the Crusaders.'
Title: Re: WAR NUMBER FOUR. Iran?
Post by: Erasmus on October 13, 2011, 09:08:36 AM
The hard part is I don't trust Obama any more than I trust Ahmanutjob.  50/50 as to who's lying at any given time.
Title: Re: WAR NUMBER FOUR. Iran?
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on October 13, 2011, 12:31:40 PM
Quote from: Erasmus on October 13, 2011, 09:08:36 AM
The hard part is I don't trust Obama any more than I trust Ahmanutjob.  50/50 as to who's lying at any given time.

"Both."