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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: zeitgeist on September 29, 2011, 04:28:35 PM
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JohnnyRingo spins a Bouncy :bouncy: :bouncy:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2018022
OK no conversion, no cops no bushes (well if you don't count GW) But then bouncies have been pretty poor of late at the dump so one has to take what is offered.
JohnnyRingo (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-28-11 01:57 PM
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I settled my debt with John Q Public last night.
I was having a few beers and wings at my local tavern last night seated around the corner of the bar from JQ when I overheard one of his buddies bring up the UAW agreement with General Motors. This is a GM town with an Cobalt assembly plant nearby and former home of Delphi Systems so such conversation is commonplace here.
When JQ Public voiced his disapproval with the contract, citing the fact that such a bloated agreement wouldn't have been possible without his tax money, I realized I had the opportunity to do the right thing. I butted in to inform JQ that I was a GM retiree who indeed would have been left out in the cold had the government not intervened and loaned the automaker a portion of his taxes.
While Mr Public was trying to figure a way to extract his fat foot from his mouth I continued with some quick oral calculating. I told him that I didn't work for Chrysler, so I don't feel responsible for that half of his contribution, but certainly I owed him for putting up his share of the $350b that keeps me and the other 6,000 local retirees in beer and wings each month.
We weren't drinking on Country Club Drive and I know JQ was not one of the high-end taxpayers earning over a half mil so I figured he was one of the 93 million gracious Americans who invested a small amount of their hard earned money to keep the company alive. I told him that with most of the loan repaid this year I wanted to square up with him on the balance to ease his regret. I gave him his $3 back, told him we were now even, and asked that he follow my lead and put that union cash back into the local economy.
I don't know what he and his overtaxed buddies thought about that as I drained my glass and left, but I hope he at least left it as a tip for the underpaid single mother tending the bar.
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Schooled by JohnnyRingo beer drinking, wing eating, loudmouth former union workerjerk. Yeah bet they were impressed.
sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-28-11 02:45 PM
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9. Lol, what a great way to make your point!
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Followed by more of the Greek chorus and ^5s
Shandris (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-28-11 02:51 PM
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10. HAHAHAHA oh wow! I would DOUBLE his contribution...
...just to have seen the expression on his face when you did that! Way to go!
then a few copy cat tales of great wit.
BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-28-11 11:39 PM
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17. Some loudmouth was ragging on public employees within earshot
of me once, going on and on about his "hard-earned dollars" being "taken at the point of a gun" to pay "lazy over-paid University employees".
I handed him a penny, and said "There! Now shut the **** up, because I just gave you back your share of my paycheck for the next NINE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY-FIVE YEARS!"
imitation, the sincerest form of flattery
999998th word (442 posts) Thu Sep-29-11 02:08 AM
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21. This stuff is great-I've done that with a quarter and also told them to
buy themselves a brain w/what's left over.
No dump thread is complete with out an honest critique
Ignis (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-29-11 01:38 AM
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19. K&R. A little stilted in the phrasing, but I like your style.
If you'll take a little constructive criticism, don't edit yourself so much; let your natural voice through more often.
(No offensive intended. I'm a chronic "improver." )
And here is a contestant who wants to change the wings to Pizza!
OnlinePoker (788 posts) Thu Sep-29-11 06:40 AM
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24. The loan was paid off...
...using taxpayer money from the 500 million shares of GM the government bought as part of the bailout (the loan was around $6.7 Billion). The government still holds the shares in GM and the price needs to be $53 per share for the government to break even. Share price is currently at $20.41 per share, down from the $33 share price GM went for on their IPO last year. This represents a value loss to the government of just over $15 Billion right now. Either way you look at it, the government is still on the hook for a lot of money until they divest themselves of the shares.
Is that an alert button I hear being pushed
Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-29-11 11:16 AM
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34. Figure in the loss of tax revenue if GM was allowed to fail.
Figure in the amount of taxpayer monies that would have went for unemployment for all those people, food stamps, etc.
Not just GM, but a host of supply-chain companies and their employees, as well. Hundreds of thousands out in the street.
Oh, and the resulting economic depression that would have followed, knocking one in three out of a job nationwide.
$15 billion looks like chump change.
That amount covers not quite two months of military expenditures in Afghanistan.
I'm sure you have no problem spending that money, however
Now what to make of this? Ah yes jealousy.
OnyxCollie (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-29-11 11:06 AM
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31. I saw a guy wearing a Ford t-shirt yesterday.
"Ford- Built Without Your Tax Dollars"
Johnny takes a final victory Lap, swallow it all Johnny.
JohnnyRingo (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-29-11 12:14 PM
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35. On the back it should have said "though they tried"
Ford was on board for the loan until they found out it wasn't their "father's kind of bailout".
The Ford board of directors, which still has family members in charge, were discouraged when they discovered the money had strings attached. Especially appalling to them was the condition that the government would take controlling interest in their company until the money was repaid. Ford descendent's would never approve of ceding control of their legacy to the government.
It was probably good for them they didn't, as Obama's panel immediately fired General Motors CEO Rick Wagoner. For me it was especially satisfying that, for once, someone in power wasn't blaming union workers for the company's financial woes.
Of course what no one pointed out is that GM and Chrysler workers can't strike. Gee think someone should tell Johnnyboy? They are now just a couple old hounds chained to the porch their teeth filed over.
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so we've added GM workers and former workers to the list of government tit suckers now....right?
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I butted in to inform JQ that I was a GM retiree who indeed would have been left out in the cold had the government not intervened and loaned the automaker a portion of his taxes...I gave him his $3 back.
So if all of us who don't support the deal to prop-up overpriced shit cars wanted our $3 would he have enough left over for beer and wings?
If we wanted to support your retirement we'd buy your over-priced, doper-built pieces of shit cars and then you wuoldn't need a bailout.
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so we've added GM workers and former workers to the list of government tit suckers now....right?
And then GM outsources the Volt to China. Isn't that going to 'outsource' more union jobs? Or will the UAW head over to organize the workers? :lol:
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So if all of us who don't support the deal to prop-up overpriced shit cars wanted our $3 would he have enough left over for beer and wings?
If we wanted to support your retirement we'd buy your over-priced, doper-built pieces of shit cars and then you wuoldn't need a bailout.
The Old West JohnnyRingo ended up blowing his brains out in a fit of drunken depression. If this one figures out how bad he been had he may just do the same. :rotf:
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I don't know what he and his overtaxed buddies thought about that as I drained my glass and left
They thought you were nuts and laughed their asses off.
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We weren't drinking on Country Club Drive and I know JQ was not one of the high-end taxpayers earning over a half mil so I figured he was one of the 93 million gracious Americans who invested a small amount of their hard earned money to keep the company alive.
in·vest   [in-vest]
verb (used with object)
1. to put (money) to use, by purchase or expenditure, in something offering potential profitable returns, as interest, income, or appreciation in value.
con·fis·cate   [kon-fuh-skeyt, kuhn-fis-keyt] Show IPA verb, -cat·ed, -cat·ing, adjective
verb (used with object)
1. to seize as forfeited to the public domain; appropriate, by way of penalty, for public use.
I rest my case.
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This whole thing is a lie. Chevy no longer builds the Cobalt. Hasn't built them for a year or two
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I butted in to inform JQ that I was a GM retiree who indeed would have been left out in the cold had the government not intervened and loaned the automaker a portion of his taxes.
Where's my loan, Karl? I never got my Obama check. Do you realize that had it not been for liberals and corrupt unions, that GM wouldn't have needed a bailout in the first @#$%ing place?